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What's different about III? I've only encountered I and II.
Ace Combat: Infinity
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I once got a x3 A rank for MDIII, with a contract bonus. I earned 550Kish + roughly 30-100K from the contract. I'd say that's a pretty big difference without the S rank which is about 700K or 625K.
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And my Ace Combat day comes to a close.
This is my overall view of Team Deathmatch. I've done more sorties than I can count so I can say the info is reasonably from experience.
ECMs
Firstly, to answer @Louie_Schumii's question, the ECMs do just what you expect them to do. You flip the switch, and your rival players will not be able to lock on to anyone inside the radius. It doesn't just apply to the user, but anyone within that circle. Meaning, if Louie turns it on and Bobert is right next to him, if I'm close, I won't be able to hit either one of youse.
However, it's a double-edged sword, the ECM. Giving a rough guesstimate, I'd say it only lasts about 3-4seconds. I could be wrong but it does not last long at all.
On top of that, there is the possibility you can get really lazy when you have a device like that. You can lounge around knowing no one can hit you, but it negatively affects you mentally because you become too relaxed and it would be harder to readjust when the jammer shuts off, which will be almost immediately.
Thirdly, the only time I'm assuming it would be really useful is when:
Special Weapons
I'm just going to list the most used/threatening weapons and why they are effective in TDM.
HCAAs fires missiles rapidly one after the other. These aren't very effective physically, but they would fit in perfectly with 'Psychological Warfare'. Yeah, they are relatively easy to dodge, but imagine you having to constantly dodge missiles one after one after one after the other. It really plays on your mind because you can't focus on anything else and because you know if you slip up, you're in for a pounding.
6AAMs was quite surprising for me, but I'm not sure why I was surprised. You have 6 missiles, they are all long range, and they are powerful. There is no outrunning them.
HVAAs are Révoy's personal favourites. They started out as a personal experiment and ended up being my most used/effective. While they aren't very good with homing, you almost don't need it; they are extremely fast and they are long range. The reason they are so effective, is because they are so quick, when they are fired beyond visual range, by time the target receives the missile alert, the warhead is already in front of his/her face, leaving little time for evasion. My only complaint is that they are the weakest SPs in the game, and it really shows when you can't take down some planes in two hits.
QAAMs because if I didn't add them you would be asking what I'm smoking. They are pretty self-explanatory. They have best homing capabilities and they aren't weak. They aren't overpowered and unfair, but put them in the right hands, and they will shoot down any and everyone, regardless of plane and pilot.
Planes and Pilots
Surprisingly, there were less stealthies in the rooms than I expected. You actually will find literally every Fighter/Multirole the game has to offer. F-14s, MiG-29s, F-15s, F-4s, even Mirages. People seem to simply fly whatever they have at the moment and give it their best. This may change as the days go on though, as more people drop out.
On the Ace Combat Skies forum, some speculated the ADFX would be the best plane to use. It's not.
The plane itself is a double-edged sword. It can be strong and powerful but surprisingly not as maneuverable compared to other planes. It's like a flying tank. When you're flying around it, it doesn't climb as well and it is a very huge plane, you can't miss it. But when it does hit you, you're going down, sometimes with 1 missile. It's very capable, but unless you have upgraded it to level 5 or more, it's not really worth it and you're better off with a Fighter. I've taken down many of them because they just weren't able to avoid me fast enough.
Anyway, surprisingly (or not) the best planes in TDM are the Raptors and the PAK-FAs. And I'm sure you would think "Well there has got to be something out there that can out play them." Reality is, there isn't. This it their home and they were literally built for air supremacy and this is where they shine.
So now you think "Okay if I go up against a stealthie and I'm not in stealthie myself, I'm dead." You're not.
This is where the pilot part comes in. Believe it or not, your plane does not decide you're going to win. You decide you're going to win. Shocking right? In all seriousness though, the cliche 'a great pilot is better than a great plane' is very true in TDM. You would think the guy with the Raptor with the Phoenix Emblem would wipe the floor with everyone, but sometimes it's actually the guy in the F-14 leaving with the most kills; sometimes even the guy with the F-4 (no seriously, it happens).
Let's not mistake things here though. If you have a superior plane, you already have the advantage. If you were to take two people with the same skills and put one in a Level 10 T-50 and the other in a level 10 F-15, the Russian fighter will win easy. I flew my PAK-FA against a guy in an F-16 and I could not shoot him down for anything; He was that good.
As for chasing targets in an infinite loop, there is no valid reason for anyone to get stuck circle jerking. There are so many different maneuvers you can apply to break out of it and open yourself up to a different tactic. You can simply gain altitude which will give you room and time to attack from above. And that's just one way. You could also try breaking away and try attacking head-on, jousting style. So if you're caught flying in circles trying to catch someone, you're really just doing that because you know/you're hoping you can catch up. You don't have to take them down that way. Whenever I'm in that situation and his plane climbs/turns just as well as mine, I just break off and fly far away to the edge of the map, then U-turn and switch to my HVAAs with SP Propulsion L equipped, and play chicken, jousting style.
Overall though, I had fun today. Had some pretty annoying instances but overall fun. Made some friends as well as rivals.
And one more thing, please don't go seal-clubbing. It's not cool 👎. It's no fun watching some guy in a top tier aircraft absolutely demolishing new players in their F-16s. Same thing if you're playing 2v2 and someone leaves the room making it 2v1. If they can't deal with 2 players, don't make life hard for them. It happened to this guy we were fighting and my teammate simply stopped attacking and went sight-seeing so it was 1v1. So let's try to be sporty everyone 👍.
Also, congrats to @Downhill Dino on his first Moby Dick III
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This is my overall view of Team Deathmatch. I've done more sorties than I can count so I can say the info is reasonably from experience.
ECMs
Firstly, to answer @Louie_Schumii's question, the ECMs do just what you expect them to do. You flip the switch, and your rival players will not be able to lock on to anyone inside the radius. It doesn't just apply to the user, but anyone within that circle. Meaning, if Louie turns it on and Bobert is right next to him, if I'm close, I won't be able to hit either one of youse.
However, it's a double-edged sword, the ECM. Giving a rough guesstimate, I'd say it only lasts about 3-4seconds. I could be wrong but it does not last long at all.
On top of that, there is the possibility you can get really lazy when you have a device like that. You can lounge around knowing no one can hit you, but it negatively affects you mentally because you become too relaxed and it would be harder to readjust when the jammer shuts off, which will be almost immediately.
Thirdly, the only time I'm assuming it would be really useful is when:
- You have about 4 players running you down and you need a break (though they can still shoot you up with bullets).
- When you're in a 2v2 (4 player) room.
Special Weapons
I'm just going to list the most used/threatening weapons and why they are effective in TDM.
HCAAs fires missiles rapidly one after the other. These aren't very effective physically, but they would fit in perfectly with 'Psychological Warfare'. Yeah, they are relatively easy to dodge, but imagine you having to constantly dodge missiles one after one after one after the other. It really plays on your mind because you can't focus on anything else and because you know if you slip up, you're in for a pounding.
6AAMs was quite surprising for me, but I'm not sure why I was surprised. You have 6 missiles, they are all long range, and they are powerful. There is no outrunning them.
HVAAs are Révoy's personal favourites. They started out as a personal experiment and ended up being my most used/effective. While they aren't very good with homing, you almost don't need it; they are extremely fast and they are long range. The reason they are so effective, is because they are so quick, when they are fired beyond visual range, by time the target receives the missile alert, the warhead is already in front of his/her face, leaving little time for evasion. My only complaint is that they are the weakest SPs in the game, and it really shows when you can't take down some planes in two hits.
QAAMs because if I didn't add them you would be asking what I'm smoking. They are pretty self-explanatory. They have best homing capabilities and they aren't weak. They aren't overpowered and unfair, but put them in the right hands, and they will shoot down any and everyone, regardless of plane and pilot.
Planes and Pilots
Surprisingly, there were less stealthies in the rooms than I expected. You actually will find literally every Fighter/Multirole the game has to offer. F-14s, MiG-29s, F-15s, F-4s, even Mirages. People seem to simply fly whatever they have at the moment and give it their best. This may change as the days go on though, as more people drop out.
On the Ace Combat Skies forum, some speculated the ADFX would be the best plane to use. It's not.
The plane itself is a double-edged sword. It can be strong and powerful but surprisingly not as maneuverable compared to other planes. It's like a flying tank. When you're flying around it, it doesn't climb as well and it is a very huge plane, you can't miss it. But when it does hit you, you're going down, sometimes with 1 missile. It's very capable, but unless you have upgraded it to level 5 or more, it's not really worth it and you're better off with a Fighter. I've taken down many of them because they just weren't able to avoid me fast enough.
Anyway, surprisingly (or not) the best planes in TDM are the Raptors and the PAK-FAs. And I'm sure you would think "Well there has got to be something out there that can out play them." Reality is, there isn't. This it their home and they were literally built for air supremacy and this is where they shine.
So now you think "Okay if I go up against a stealthie and I'm not in stealthie myself, I'm dead." You're not.
This is where the pilot part comes in. Believe it or not, your plane does not decide you're going to win. You decide you're going to win. Shocking right? In all seriousness though, the cliche 'a great pilot is better than a great plane' is very true in TDM. You would think the guy with the Raptor with the Phoenix Emblem would wipe the floor with everyone, but sometimes it's actually the guy in the F-14 leaving with the most kills; sometimes even the guy with the F-4 (no seriously, it happens).
Let's not mistake things here though. If you have a superior plane, you already have the advantage. If you were to take two people with the same skills and put one in a Level 10 T-50 and the other in a level 10 F-15, the Russian fighter will win easy. I flew my PAK-FA against a guy in an F-16 and I could not shoot him down for anything; He was that good.
As for chasing targets in an infinite loop, there is no valid reason for anyone to get stuck circle jerking. There are so many different maneuvers you can apply to break out of it and open yourself up to a different tactic. You can simply gain altitude which will give you room and time to attack from above. And that's just one way. You could also try breaking away and try attacking head-on, jousting style. So if you're caught flying in circles trying to catch someone, you're really just doing that because you know/you're hoping you can catch up. You don't have to take them down that way. Whenever I'm in that situation and his plane climbs/turns just as well as mine, I just break off and fly far away to the edge of the map, then U-turn and switch to my HVAAs with SP Propulsion L equipped, and play chicken, jousting style.
Overall though, I had fun today. Had some pretty annoying instances but overall fun. Made some friends as well as rivals.
And one more thing, please don't go seal-clubbing. It's not cool 👎. It's no fun watching some guy in a top tier aircraft absolutely demolishing new players in their F-16s. Same thing if you're playing 2v2 and someone leaves the room making it 2v1. If they can't deal with 2 players, don't make life hard for them. It happened to this guy we were fighting and my teammate simply stopped attacking and went sight-seeing so it was 1v1. So let's try to be sporty everyone 👍.
Also, congrats to @Downhill Dino on his first Moby Dick III
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When you usually fly an upgraded aircraft and then switch to a Level 1 Su-34, yes the Su-34 feels heavy and sluggish.
Mine is level 2 now and the improvement is really obvious. I'll try to upgrade it at least one more level and then see whether I will continue to fly it or not.
You lucky!! I've played ACI almost since the beginning and still no Moby Dick III for me.
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Yeah, I guess it wany that fair a comparison since my MiG-29 is level 5. However the Su-35 still didn't impress me even with its 6AAM and more part slots. It just felt like I was flying an Attacker rather than a Fighter. MiG is just too nimble!
You lucky!! I've played ACI almost since the beginning and still no Moby Dick III for me.
I was so excited when it appeared! It'll appear sometime for you, keep aiming for consistent S ranks.
As a question for everyone, I assume when everyone gets what they want they will simply get all planes and parts on the tree but who will go as far as upgrading all planes to the max? I'll be doing it. Just for the nicknames.
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I'd like to, but this will take a loooooooooooong time, especially with the current fuel system, now that they have removed the 2 fuel-giving challenges with the Mirage and F16.As a question for everyone, I assume when everyone gets what they want they will simply get all planes and parts on the tree but who will go as far as upgrading all planes to the max? I'll be doing it. Just for the nicknames.
Plus, for average players like me, the payouts are rather low.
And I don't want to spend my hardly-earned real-world money to buy fuel.
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Just a heads up, if you've used nothing but fighters snd no multitoles your lock-on distance is going from 2500m to 2000m. Whiich is alot more shocking than it sounds. Also you won't have the same mobility your use to, although the F15S might be ememot from this since it has the 2D(2CD?) thruster like the F22.
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Damn they looked so pretty too.
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Is this game worth the 3 gigs on my drive? Considering how poor assault horizontal was.
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Actually, Top 3000 gets the F-15S/ Stripes, Top 1000 gets the Galm Emblem, and top 200 gets the Shogan 👍.
@ArticTrust It does not have the Dogfight mode AH had, Mr. Archer. Just classic Ace Combat style flying. And it has a great deal of nostalgia trips. However, since it's free to play be sure to prepare yourself for a reasonable lack of content, unless you're willing to pay for some stuff (like extra fuel).
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I will not even try this one...
My job takes most of my time, and I can only play a little on evenings. Plus, now that they have removed the fuel giving challenges with the Mirage and F16 and the other fuel giving challenges have a very long cooldown time, I no longer can get and save stocked fuel for extended sessions on week-end.
Meaning my sortie rate has been divided by 2, at least.
Just playing 40 or 60 minutes per day is not enough to get even the striped F15-S. If you don't sortie from one evening to the other, you'll loose several hundreds or even thousand places in the ranking in just 24 hours. This happens to me in all tournaments. These require sorties at regular intervals to be able to keep your rank.
I have some abilities and a correct aircraft for this challenge, but not enough fuel and time to fight on par with wallet warriors.
Frustrating, just frustrating. Like the F14 Wardog, two more planes I will never have in my hangar.
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As much as I'd like to have the special jets should I ever happen to want to use them for any reason, I too am not going to bother with the ranking event in team deathmatch. Not only do I not have a jet that could compete (F-35 is too multirole I'm guessing), but I doubt I could rank high enough regardless to win the jets. Again, they're denying access to parts of the game that casual gamers who aren't also spending additional moolah on the game can't hope to unlock. I am in the same category as @LJP64.
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I sortie just enough in these competitions to get me a ranking that will grant me aircraft research reports. It's all I really want. Being the first Ace Combat game I've played I have no familiarity of the awarded emblems and nicknames so I don't care about them.
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As I also fly the MiG-29 at level 5, and bought the Su-35. I personally didn't find the Su-35 to be on par to my MiG and was far less efficient. For it to actually be worth while you would need to upgrade it. It might work out in your favor to stick with the Su-35 over time because it's a higher-tier plane so it'll get better down the road. It just sucks initially.
Here are some things I posted above:
All up to what you want to do though.
Here are some things I posted above:
All up to what you want to do though.
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My F-35 reached level 7 today and I'm now in the low 1700's for matching rates and able to consistently score in the 40k's. I've now built two sets for the F-35, one with HCAA's and one with 4AGM's. Depending on the mission, I can choose either or. I should probably build a fighter for MDP and team deathmatches in case a ranking event appears with a jet I REALLY want. When the cash allows I'll get my level 5 F-4E to level 10 and see how it goes online, I like F-4's.
Edit: Did some sorties with @ibnumgt1 tonight in hopes of completing the "Everyone Sortie" challenge. He hosted a room full of players ranked in the 1500's, after two sorties scoring in the 50k's in my F-35 I decided it was OP and quickly threw together a Lv.5 F-4E set. I still managed to MVP the room!
Unfortunately, the challenge is glitching, after 3 sorties it said I'd only done 1, and told @ibnumgt1 he hadn't invited and sortied with any friends at all. Annoying since we both used fuel to try and get it.
Edit: Did some sorties with @ibnumgt1 tonight in hopes of completing the "Everyone Sortie" challenge. He hosted a room full of players ranked in the 1500's, after two sorties scoring in the 50k's in my F-35 I decided it was OP and quickly threw together a Lv.5 F-4E set. I still managed to MVP the room!
Unfortunately, the challenge is glitching, after 3 sorties it said I'd only done 1, and told @ibnumgt1 he hadn't invited and sortied with any friends at all. Annoying since we both used fuel to try and get it.
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My F-35 reached level 7 today and I'm now in the low 1700's for matching rates and able to consistently score in the 40k's. I've now built two sets for the F-35, one with HCAA's and one with 4AGM's. Depending on the mission, I can choose either or. I should probably build a fighter for MDP and team deathmatches in case a ranking event appears with a jet I REALLY want. When the cash allows I'll get my level 5 F-4E to level 10 and see how it goes online, I like F-4's.
Edit: Did some sorties with @ibnumgt1 tonight in hopes of completing the "Everyone Sortie" challenge. He hosted a room full of players ranked in the 1500's, after two sorties scoring in the 50k's in my F-35 I decided it was OP and quickly threw together a Lv.5 F-4E set. I still managed to MVP the room!
Yeah, it's an annoying glitch. My stocked fuel went from 10 to 6.
I keep using my newly acquired red winged Morgan in the lobby. It's great! 
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Great flying with @Bobert power and @Tired Tyres. Taking a long time to upgrade LASM and 4AAM to level 4 though.
Taking a long time to upgrade LASM and 4AAM to level 4 though.
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The Sukhoi Pak-fa cost 673920 and i only have 555259. It feels like forever but i hope i can find a way to get it tomorrow.
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I think I'm going to try and get the Su-47 Berkut for air to air deathmatches etc., it comes standard with the QAAM and despite being a multirole has a high level of performance near that of the fighters, but with added parts slots.
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Weeew. First sortie and current TDM High-Score. Skip to 3:43 if you prefer cockpit view from "bumper cam" (and watch in HD if you can lol).
It's a shame for the tournament when the weekend arrived. The majority of the ~1550+ MR lobbies have turned into full throttle circle jerking where pilots and planes can sustain inhuman amounts of g and unlimited afterburners for 6 minutes non-stop. Namco needs to do something about this.
Oh @Revoy looks like you and your T-50 got a little bit of YouTube screen-time thanks to this vid. Love the Comona music!
It's a shame for the tournament when the weekend arrived. The majority of the ~1550+ MR lobbies have turned into full throttle circle jerking where pilots and planes can sustain inhuman amounts of g and unlimited afterburners for 6 minutes non-stop. Namco needs to do something about this.
Oh @Revoy looks like you and your T-50 got a little bit of YouTube screen-time thanks to this vid. Love the Comona music!
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm very patiently waiting for them to add the MiG-31. It irks me everytime I see the AI flying them. I want my favorite plane!
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