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I think that has more to do with the fact that we don't need copies. And we are perfectly able to build them, our tools are a fast improvement of what the ancients used, copper tools in combination with sand.
We have diamond studded cutters yo.
We can get the stone out of the mountain easier, we can move them easier, we can shape them easier, we can lift them easier... you see where this is going.
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I wouldn't put it past the people of Dubai to build one in the next decade or so. 
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Well, I've seen documentaries about the pyramdis and they said the first cranes able to lift those stones were build in the 70's. But there is still the problem with the perfect precision the pyramids were build with. Architects and mathematicians of today said they didn't think we would be able to replicate that.
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And I've seen those who perfectly explained how it was most likely done back then.
Only really dumb ones. The laws of physics were the same when the Pyramids were built.
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We can build that:
There's no logical reason why we couldn't build a stupid Pyramid.
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And just for the sake of it:
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Think of this. We are in the outskirts of our galaxy; chances are we are the newbies. Aliens in this galaxy *which most likely there are* are ahead of us by quite a bit. I think they have been watching us from the moon until we landed, but hey that's just a crack theory.
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You don't need to lift them, you can use a ramp. And that ramp can be as big as you want it to be, when you are building it for a God, in an empty desert.
Our tools are more inaccurate then a bunch of sweaty men with copper blades, using sand as a grinding tool? And you think that would be logical?
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And I've seen those who perfectly explained how it was most likely done back then.
Only really dumb ones. The laws of physics were the same when the Pyramids were built.
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We can build that:
There's no logical reason why we couldn't build a stupid Pyramid.
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And just for the sake of it:
*Oh look we haz much bigger houses, that must mean it is a bigger engineering feed to achieve!*
Well, no.
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Im afraid you're wrong mate. As you already know, the base of the pyramid is a perfect square. All angles in this square add up to 360 degrees. Now nothing in life is perfect. You may think that the pyramids have perfect quadrilateral sides but this is wrong. There are microscopic discrepancies. However with that being said, the accuracy of the angles is phenomenal, accuracy is to less than 1/30 of a degree. Swiss watch precision is almost this much. There is nothing on earth with a more perfect shape than the giza pyramids.
In mathematical terms, a simple negative exponential function will never quite reach 0 (0 = perfect) no matter how large the x values. With the x values being the nanoscopic lengths of each side on the pyramid. You can have something rounded to the nearest 10^-15 meters but this is still not perfect.
I was reading some comments about sizes of the structures on earth. Size means nothing. Comparing the giza pyramids with tallest building on earth is a no-no. As I said above. Near perfect allignment that we cannot achieve. And thats a fact. Ask any civic engineer...
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You do realize the sum of interior angles for any quadrilateral is 360 degrees, regardless of it being "perfect."
And you are implying these angles are perfect to a molecular level?
Source, please.
Consider the construction methods of the pyramids revolved around basic geometry, astronomy, and water levels, it really isn't difficult to reproduce them to an even more exacting standard.
Additionally, the engineering prowess required to build something like the Burj Khalifa is far more complicated than processing raw stone and moving it. The only reason why don't recreate the pyramids is there is no financial reason to recreate them. The reason it was possibly back then is the creative use of ramps and slave labor, the latter being a huge part of it.
Probably anything we've constructed at the nano machine level.
Or, more naturally, the nucleolus of a hydrogen atom.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Probe_B
Also, nanotechnology. The Egyptians were about 3000 years behind us.
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1. Yes you are correct in saying that all interior angles in a quadrilateral add up to 360 degrees. What you fail to realise is that perfect sides (equal/lengths) are not achievable. Same goes for 2 dimensional allignment. A simple ruler for example is only accurate to the nearest millimiter. Now in modern science simple rulers arent used for cutting obviously. As someone pointed out, diamond cutting technology is one of the methods, however this will not cut perfect shapes will it? Its impossible to do so. Length is a continious variable meaning it never ends thus you can have a square with one of the sides with length 5.0000000000008774448905321902meters and this goes on and on to infinity. Each of the 4 sides will have different lengths to infinity.
2. 1/30 meters is not molecular level. Nowhere near infact. The nucleus of a proton is nanoscopic. Comparing 1/30meters with A hydrogen nucleus is 0.03 recurring and 0.000000001 meters for the nucleus. We can go even further separating the nucleus into protons and neutrons. And even further separating protons into 2 s quarks and a down quark. And separating a neutron into 2 down quarks and an s quark.
3. "really isnt difficult to reproduce them TO AN EVEN MORE EXACTING STANDARD" The words highlighted in capital letters can be ignored for the time being. I think its a suitable moment for me to give references for my arguements. Robert Bauval "the egypt code". Or you could always type in robert bauval egypt mystery on youtube and watch the 90 min presentation he gives at leeds university. Also my former physics lecturer going off the syllabus and explaining everything that I am explaining to you right now.
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Nanotechnology. The key word being "Nano" Nano is defined in maths as 10^-9. What happens when you go beyond 1 nanometer?
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So what you saying is we can't make perfect shapes? Really? News to me, the former engineering student
Your argument applies to anything measurable as we could look at issues arising from quantum states allowing two "lines" of material to never be the same state.
I think you just repeated what I said. And invalidated your own statement about how they, the pyramids, are perfect. We have much higher precision in angles and cutting in aerospace engineering than is involved with the pyramids.
Also, yes, I am familiar with quarks too. Just didn't feel it was really necessary to invalidate your statement on perfection.
People are regularly critical of Bauval delving into pseudoscience. The only redeeming thing put forth by him, from what I recall, is the Orion Belt bit on the heights of the pyramids.
Congrats, you have a physics lecturer telling you this non-sense. My father had a Ph.D in physics and laughed at the absurd theories put forth by people looking for "incredible" explanations. So does my father counter your lecturer?
It will still, likely, be called nanotechnology because the term is widely recognized in popular culture now. Though I suspect you are going to tell me otherwise
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Pyramids?
What could a race be capable of if they had reached the stage of constructing a Dyson Sphere variant around a super-massive black hole? (Detect THAT!)
And the surface area was entirely populated with intelligence at or above the density level of quantum computing?
No, we really have no idea. We can't even account for three quarters of the mass in the observable universe yet....
What could a race be capable of if they had reached the stage of constructing a Dyson Sphere variant around a super-massive black hole? (Detect THAT!)
And the surface area was entirely populated with intelligence at or above the density level of quantum computing?
No, we really have no idea. We can't even account for three quarters of the mass in the observable universe yet....
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All that missing mass is in Dyson Spheres, built around entire galaxies, with quintillions of sentient beings living on the surface, which is contoured into the shape of endless rolls of beaches and island coves. The ultimate lifetime summer getaway.
Getting service is a nightmare, though. Only one waiter per million customers...
And if you actually go to Egypt and look at all the Pyramids, you'll see the ones they got wrong as they worked their way to making their "perfect" ones.
If aliens had helped humans build "perfect" pyramids, why bother at all building the "imperfect" ones first?
Getting service is a nightmare, though. Only one waiter per million customers...
And if you actually go to Egypt and look at all the Pyramids, you'll see the ones they got wrong as they worked their way to making their "perfect" ones.
If aliens had helped humans build "perfect" pyramids, why bother at all building the "imperfect" ones first?
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Bazinga! IT WAS A TRAP!
Actually, I don't entirely agree with him (second link). I don't think there's a reason to be so sure the chemistry/stellar nucleosynthesis thing applies so firmly, but I'm no physicist - I'd probably believe him if he means drawing the construction-possible line up near iron (which is what he says), but not necessarily carbon (which fun stuff can clearly be done with), just as a gut reaction.
I hadn't read either article before the first post, but idly googled "dyson sphere black hole" while doing so to reaffirm that the concept was out there. The links above are nice reads, anyway.
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