Aliens

[Dotini]

...or cloud.

Agreed! Clouds, and the lightning they can generate, can be quite interesting.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

 

[CodeRedR51]

Edit: Someone commented on the video saying they are probably "Sky Lanterns" which makes perfect sense. I thought I saw one headed back down after the light went out and it looked like a balloon. So no aliens, sorry.

So I shot this video last night off the balcony of my apartment. Other videos of these are popping up, including one that shows a very nice formation of lights, but the people were drunk from new years so the audio is horrible. You can search YouTube for it, I won't post it here.

Anyway, anyone with possible explanations?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Edit: Someone commented on the video saying they are probably "Sky Lanterns" which makes perfect sense. I thought I saw one headed back down after the light went out and it looked like a balloon. So no aliens, sorry.

So I shot this video last night off the balcony of my apartment. Other videos of these are popping up, including one that shows a very nice formation of lights, but the people were drunk from new years so the audio is horrible. You can search YouTube for it, I won't post it here.

Anyway, anyone with possible explanations?

Not sure, I always look up the lights in our state, what direction did they pop up in from your location? I can help out alot more if I get that answer.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm off of Gilbert/Guadalupe, and my balcony faces West. So they may have come from the Tempe area, which makes sense with new years celebrations in that area, possibly near the lake. Was a hell of a sight though for someone who had no idea what they were.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm off of Gilbert/Guadalupe, and my balcony faces West. So they may have come from the Tempe area, which makes sense with new years celebrations in that area, possibly near the lake. Was a hell of a sight though for someone who had no idea what they were.

Then they were probably nothing more than regular devices used to celebrate. Since Luke isn't toward that way, and you were not facing the direction of the Barry Goldwater Test Range, which doesn't even extend that far into Maricopa County. Not really sure I can give you any real answer.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm pretty sure they were Sky Lanterns, thanks though.

 

[Spagetti69]

I entered into this thread with an anal probe once.

It wasn't well received.

Happy new year guys.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm pretty sure they were Sky Lanterns, thanks though.

If you say so, I will just stick to being undecided on that video

 

[Antmeg26]

There is a heck of a lot of space out there. To bet there is no other life form out there is not a good bet the odds are against you

 

[BobK]

It's estimated there are 100 billion planets in the Milky Way.

People have been making estimates there are outside our solar system for a long time, but they've all been "scientific wild-ass guesses". Dr. Isaac Asimov in particular seemed to enjoy speculating on this.

What I find interesting is that this is the first estimate I've come across that's actually based on real data. Of course the estimate could be off by an order of magnitude or two, which the researchers acknowledge, but hey it's something.

 

[Badger-X-]

Just found this video. Very intriguing even if you are a complete skeptic. I'm not as convinced as the narrator seems to be but I'm definitely interested in hearing more about the find. Also, Dr. Stephen Greer (also the head of the Disclosure Group) is one of the most credible and accomplished people presently in the field of exopolitics.

 

[niky]

Not convincing.

The anatomy doesn't work out, and if you've got a brain in there, it's going to be very tiny. (And by comments on bone density, it's an adult) There's a practical limit to how smart you can make something that small.

Also, the X-Ray of the skeleton is surprisingly... artistic. A scientific X-Ray scan would be straight on, to reveal more detail for the internal organs. And the proportions and condition don't match the "corpse" all that well. This points to it likely being a fabrication.

 

[Exorcet]

It's conveniently humanoid and very human like, which already makes me skeptical. And you can see the bias seeping out of the video, as the only explanation the narrator seems to have for any vaguely human like thing that doesn't appear human is: alien.

I also did not see much to justify the repeated claim that it's not a hoax.

 

[Badger-X-]

Yeah, I don't like the narrator's blind bias either and I think you guys have swayed me.
The one thing that prompted me to post it was the fact that Steven Greer's name was attached and now I'm doubting he was even involved.
Now I can't un-see the hokeyness.

 

[Dotini]

Just found this video. Very intriguing even if you are a complete skeptic. I'm not as convinced as the narrator seems to be but I'm definitely interested in hearing more about the find. Also, Dr. Stephen Greer (also the head of the Disclosure Group) is one of the most credible and accomplished people presently in the field of exopolitics.

Here is more info relating to your post.: http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-sci...-presidential-briefing-documents-2440614.html

About 15 years ago, I personally met "Dr." Stephen Greer. I found him to be somewhat creepy and very difficult to believe. There is no concrete fact to back his claims. The "experts" who examined the body are not identified nor quoted directly, so this is still strictly hearsay. The accompanying "tiny alien" photos purported to show evidence of other aliens have been debunked for the most part. I'm extremely skeptical of him and his approach, which IMHO is a slick con game.

There is no doubt of the existence of UFO's and other anomalous phenomena. Much of it is interesting and fun to know about. But this is no excuse to throw away your skepticism and rigorous thinking caps. As a species, we've only recently come down from the trees and begun to discover the great world around us. As a human society, we're routinely surrounded by BS and filled with wishful thinking. My advice is to relax and take it easy.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

 

[Badger-X-]

Thanks for the link Dotini. 👍
I'll give it a more comprehensive look when I've got the time.
That's really too bad about Steven Greer. I've watched a couple of the Disclosure Project videos and witness testimonials. What got me was how many credible witnesses they've accumulated and the fact that they seem to be one of the only bodies actively pushing the government on the "truth embargo".
It's such a shame this topic is so diluted with misinformation, personal agendas, and grandstanding. Where's the science?!

 

[Dotini]

Thanks for the link Dotini. 👍
I'll give it a more comprehensive look when I've got the time.
That's really too bad about Steven Greer. I've watched a couple of the Disclosure Project videos and witness testimonials. What got me was how many credible witnesses they've accumulated and the fact that they seem to be one of the only bodies actively pushing the government on the "truth embargo".
It's such a shame this topic is so diluted with misinformation, personal agendas, and grandstanding. Where's the science?!

Leslie Kean is a credible author on the subject, and essential reading. Jacques Vallee is an astronomer and computer scientist and very entertaining reading, with many UFO books in print. The physicist Harley Rutledge wrote Project Identification, by far the best science ever published on UFO's. Buy it used on Amazon. Lightquest by Andrew Collins gets close to the heart of the matter.

Many decades ago, the US government had our best scientists study UFOs. They publicly concluded that they are (1) real, (2) no threat, and (3) not worth further scientific study. Go figure. It's a great mystery, a voyage of discovery.

Respectfully yours,
Steve

 

[niky]

Project Blue Book, you mean?

 

[Dotini]

Project Blue Book, you mean?

Before that were Sign and Grudge. And blue-ribbon science committees and think-tank studies were instigated periodically from the late '40's through the fifties to the '60's. Blue Book was the "final" and most outer face of it.

The bottom line is, science has investigated UFO's, and UFO's are not classified as mainstream science. Is that clear enough?

Respectfully,
Steve

 

[niky]

Well... not mainstream in the fact that the research budgets suck.

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There are some groups trying to unravel the mysteries behind some of the more famous sightings and the "lights in the sky" phenomena in certain areas. Personally, I'm hoping for something fantastic coming out of them. A better understanding of our atmosphere, maybe. New discoveries like "sprites" or reverse lightning. But as for intelligent extra-terrestrials, things look pretty dim at the moment.

 

[Dotini]

Well... not mainstream in the fact that the research budgets suck.

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There are some groups trying to unravel the mysteries behind some of the more famous sightings and the "lights in the sky" phenomena in certain areas. Personally, I'm hoping for something fantastic coming out of them. A better understanding of our atmosphere, maybe. New discoveries like "sprites" or reverse lightning. But as for intelligent extra-terrestrials, things look pretty dim at the moment.

Actually, you have some very good points, Niky. Several European universities are cooperating in a long term study of the Hessdalen (Norway) lights. They are all but certain that the underlying physics of the phenomenon are none other than those of high energy particle and plasma physics. Lightning, which has been under fairly well funded study for decades, is a phenomenon which is closely related to that of UFOs. Intense magnetic and electric fields, associated with both lightning and UFOs, are known to stimulate hallucinations and transcendental states of mind in human test subjects. But even from a distance, some UFOs appear to maneuver intelligently, adopt quasi-familiar shapes, and seem to respond to human thoughts. So how does that work? So while we are closer to understanding the physics of UFOs, we are still some way from knowing the intricacies of how they interact with human consciousness and how they affect our culture and belief systems over the millennia. Some such as Vallee have written extensively about this aspect. Some famous religious "miracles" such as the 1917 Fatima, Portugal event are suspiciously similar to UFO events. "Gods", "demons", "angels" and "aliens" would seem related to one another in a cultural sense. Islamic peoples have their djinn, beings of the fire which does not burn (plasma), which is another likely related element of the story.

The questions are open, and have important implications. In a culture which which denies their existence and denies funding their study, the way is open for charlatans and madmen to make unsubstantiated claims, recruit adherents and start crazy or dangerous new religions. The US government would like to suppress as much of this as possible, and keep a close watch over threatening cultural movements.

Too much well publicized or increased UFO activity makes this ever more difficult.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

 

[SuperShouden]

"Logically I would have to say no. Given the distances need to travel from the of reaches of space the energy requirements would exceed a spacecraft's capabilities ..."

 

[Badger-X-]

^ That's Scully's "conventional wisdom". I'm still on Mulder's side. There's still way too much we don't know with any kind of scientific certainty to make any real claims on either side.
Also of note (@niky & Dotini) is the Cometa Report.

 

[Dennisch]

Even if there is a species out there who have mastered lightspeed travel, warp drive, worm holes or ludicrous speed, if they are not within a 100 lightyears from Earth, they won't know we are here.

Unless, of course, they found us in a stroke of ridiculous good luck...

 

[FoolKiller]

Unless, of course, they found us in a stroke of ridiculous good luck...

Infinite Improbability Drive?

 

[Dennisch]

That,or some alien really digs the look of our little blue rock.

 

[chug-a-bug]

I find the results of this poll uncomfortable. I fail to see how the majority people can so emphatically vote "yes" there is extraterrestrial life when there is no evidence for it. It's like asking "Is there a Santa Claus?" It seems too close to religious faith, that is to say, to believe without evidence.

What there is is a statistical probability, the balance of probability that life, even if it's only microbial life, exists somewhere. The balance of probability is that Santa does not exist. But its still not proof. The best that can be said is "maybe" or "probably" but not to categorically state it exists.

 

[Dean]

It can be hard to know, if you haven't seen "aliens". I haven't, but some've reported that they have. I saw a documentary about this, and a guy told that he'd "talked" to aliens, and that they were(/are) like humans, and that they spoke(/speak) all languages. It's up to oneself if he was(/is) right or not. I personally don't know, but we're probably not alone, in the universe.

I've "only" had two UFO-sightings, nothing more. Yes, I've seen two UFOs. The first sighting can not be a plane, as I was close (50 meters max). Even though, it's 5-7 years ago, I remember it as good as if it was yesterday.

 

[chug-a-bug]

I could report I saw fairies at the bottom of my garden. Would that make my statement credible too? Why should anyone believe me any more than UFO sightings/abductions/encounter reports?

For the record I've seen a UFO too. In the sense that it was unindentified, at least by me, flying or at least moving rapidly across the sky, and an object.

Do I think it was an alien spacecraft? Actually no. Most likely it was regular satellite moving very close to the sunset horizon.

 

[Exorcet]

Yes, I've seen two UFOs. The first sighting can not be a plane, as I was close (50 meters max). Even though, it's 5-7 years ago, I remember it as good as if it was yesterday.

Planes can be close to things. Did it at least look odd, and by UFO, do you mean UFO or UFO?