Aliens

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Is there extraterrestrial life?

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (non carbon based)

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon based)

    Votes: 25 3.3%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon and non carbon based)

    Votes: 82 10.8%
  • Yes, and they are humanoid creatures

    Votes: 39 5.1%
  • Yes, and they are those associated with abductions

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, but I don't know what they'd be like

    Votes: 379 49.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 151 19.8%
  • No, they only exist in movies

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    761
My post wasn't directed at you. But yes, they could have vastly superior technology to us, but they would have to be so lucky to stumble across Earth. The only thing that would ever grab any extra-terrestrial attention would be radio signals that have been blasted out into space.
 
My post wasn't directed at you. But yes, they could have vastly superior technology to us, but they would have to be so lucky to stumble across Earth. The only thing that would ever grab any extra-terrestrial attention would be radio signals that have been blasted out into space.
Sorry but my post wasn't directed at you.
 
What if there are aliens that found a way to travel faster than lightspeeds? I'm just saying.

My personal opinion is that there are things that travel faster than the speed of light and maybe one day we find a way to do so.

It's perfectly acceptable to hold that there are beings that travel faster than light - here in this opinion forum, but certainly not in a science or physics forum.

What if there were? Two answers.
1) Firstly, see the sci-fi works of Isaac Asimov, Robert A Heinlein, Arthur C Clarke, Ray Bradbury, and George RR Martin. And HP Lovecraft and Philip K Dick.
2) Then, examine the phenomena going on around yourself everyday, and ask yourself if what you see and hear is consistent with effects alien consciousness might produce.:eek:
 
It's perfectly acceptable to hold that there are beings that travel faster than light - here in this opinion forum, but certainly not in a science or physics forum.

Wormholes are predicted by Einstein's general theory of relativity. Even though we don't have nearly enough understanding of how they work or the power to create them, seeing how big the Universe is, and how old it already is, it could be possible for a highly advanced species (type 3 or higher on the Kardashev scale) to create and use them.

We just need to hope that they choose our tiny part of space to investigate and share their technology with us.

Oh how I can dream..
 
@kikie
A chance to find Earth in the Space (or even in our Milky Way galaxy only) without exactly known coordinates is much less than a chance to find a certain ant in a forest: ~1:150 billion. And this is just the top of the problems iceberg.
It depends, how many are looking and how are they searching?

Besides, there are many other factors that make it impossible for life forms from different systems to meet (in case of using a vehicle): time (life is short; although the time slows for accelerated objects, it stays the same for static ones, in other words: before anything reaches us, the humankind will possibly end its existence already)
Assuming the Sun has 5 billion years left, and nothing else kills us, that would allow a single spacecraft at current speed to cross the galaxy in a straight line 500 times (estimated from 90,000 mph of Juno probe).

On the problem of single organism life spans, you can use multiple generations, or some kind of preservation method, which have been successful with simple lifeforms.

plenty of dangerous objects and forces in the Space - meteors, comets, debris, dust, hydrogen atoms (that can wipe everything flying close to lightspeed like a sandblast), gravitational fields that can blast an incredibly fast object in atoms (if the Earth gravity is pretty strong, then we can say only one thing about massive stars (or, say, the Galaxy) - their gravities are VERY strong, and the aliens will have to calculate their route to avoid being caught in a gravitational field of some massive star, and there are 150 billions of those stars, so they are just planning their route yet (won't they fly at random?), and they've made only 0,1% if they begun when the Egyptian pyramids were being built.
[Hydrogen] atoms aren't much of a threat, unless you mean things like gas clouds or nebulas, then they might be.

What do you mean with the part about gravity blasting something in atoms?

Gravity is important because you would use it to slingshot and save fuel. You only want to avoid some bodies, others are very helpful. Think of space travel like ship travel, you're not moving fast relative to distance, you do have time to react to things.

The deeper we are in physics, the less abilities of travelling in the Space we can suppose
I think it's the opposite honestly.

I'm not saying that we have been visited by aliens, I'm only saying that we can't possible know what kind of technology they have if they exist at all. We are all thinking in our limited way about e.g. space travel.

I repeat; for all we know, they have some kind of technology to travel vast distances in a short amount of time.
Going with this actually makes things harder, because we have more to look for. It adds credibility to any crazy story that someone cooks up since the story might be true as a result.

Alien technology may be insanely advanced, but most probably it obeys the physics we know.
 
Isn't it possible to defy physics with highly advanced technology?
Defying physics is not possible ever. Discovering that your physics is wrong is always possible. However, you are more likely to win bets if you always assume that the current physics are correct in general.

Think of this example, we shouldn't expect an alien ship to move faster than the speed of light, but it's possible for it to get to Earth from a point 10 lightyears away in less than an hour.
 
Just an assumption but who says that Einstein was correct? Isn't it possible that there is more to physics than we humans can currently understand. Physicist sometimes admit that their theories were incorrect. They are still discovering things.

I still think and this is my humble opinion, that the human race will be able to travel faster than light, one day.
 
I still think and this is my humble opinion, that the human race will be able to travel faster than light, one day.

If you are a reader, you can live a thousand lives. If you're not a reader, you live only one.

With your mind, you can travel to the end of the galaxy and back again in mere seconds.
 
Just an assumption but who says that Einstein was correct?
Observation says he was very likely to be correct.

But I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying that you're wrong in concept. It'd just that taking the seemingly open minded approached actually makes things harder if not impossible. We can speculate on how any advanced life can move through the universe at will and not be incorrect, but we might not be correct about it either.

If you're looking for something you lost, where could it be? Anywhere is a valid answer, but it's useless as an answer since we can't cover that much ground. Physics says that getting out of Earth's gravity well will take a certain amount of energy, so unless you lost this item near a nuclear blast you can narrow down your search from the universe to planet Earth.

Isn't it possible that there is more to physics than we humans can currently understand.
Not just possible, it's a fact. However, we've also established that the consistency of physics is very very high, and it's in our best interest to look around with that assumption if we actually want to be able to find anything.
Physicist sometimes admit that their theories were incorrect. They are still discovering things.
Yes, but when this happens, many times it's something found in addition to existing information.

I still think and this is my humble opinion, that the human race will be able to travel faster than light, one day.
At present, you're not wrong to think this, but it's extremely unlikely that we will ever move faster than light in space. That doesn't rule out that either of us will be ale to visit Andromeda in our life times.
 
Yes, but when this happens, many times it's something found in addition to existing information.
This is AFAIK not always the case. Scientist have been proven wrong and have admited that their approach of a certain aspect of physics was wrong and they came up with a different theory all together.
 
This is AFAIK not always the case. Scientist have been proven wrong and have admited that their approach of a certain aspect of physics was wrong and they came up with a different theory all together.

I guess you can see the difference. Newton wasn't fundamentally wrong with his theory of Universal gravitation, it was just an approximation to Einstein's general relativity, which is what @Exorcet is getting at.

Whereas the ether theory as proposed by Lord Kelvin was wrong as far as we can tell, but at the time seemed to solve a problem of light propagating through space. But he was solving the issue the wrong way in hindsight.
 


Here is a very fun video (53 minutes, including interrupting commercials) which documents "The UFO Enigma of Flying Spheres". This production follows the progression of this type of sighting from WWII "foo-fighters" through single or small groups of these spheres, through fleets of hundreds, and finally giant "flying snakes". One gets the distinct impression we are being invaded by sentient electromagnetic entities. :odd:

I have personally witnessed similar phenomena, groups of up to 10 glowing spheres, at least 3 times over a period of 50 years. If it's an invasion, it's a very slow one.
 
My neighbour saw a UFO once. A black traingle, flying at very low speed, not that high of the ground. It must have been in the late '70 I believe. This UFO flew over the church and made a sharp turn and flew away.

Since then, my neighbour is a believer (in aliens ofcourse :P).
 
Assuming the Sun has 5 billion years left, and nothing else kills us, that would allow a single spacecraft at current speed to cross the galaxy in a straight line 500 times (estimated from 90,000 mph of Juno probe).
Good question, if nothing else kills us. Keeping in mind how many devices for destroying our own planet we have...

[Hydrogen] atoms aren't much of a threat, unless you mean things like gas clouds or nebulas, then they might be.
Won't gas molecules have enough kinetic energy to destroy an object colliding on the speed of light (or close to it)?

What do you mean with the part about gravity blasting something in atoms?

Gravity is important because you would use it to slingshot and save fuel.
I mean the gravitational fields of massive stars or black holes (even light cannot resist their gravity) that are MANY times stronger than the Earth gravity. They won't just pull our spaceship (let alone be used to slingshot and save fuel), they'll just destroy it.

You only want to avoid some bodies, others are very helpful. Think of space travel like ship travel, you're not moving fast relative to distance, you do have time to react to things.
So many bodies to avoid that it will take ages to just plan the route.

I think it's the opposite honestly.
I mean, the more people learn physics and astronomy, the more of considered ways of space travelling they find impossible. For example, exceeding the lightspeed is impossible. People didn't think so before Einstein.
 
I've seen unidentified flying objects. They had triangular wings and fin, and I couldn't identify them. Didn't know if they were F-102's or F-106's. So they were unidentified, and they certainly were flying.


Note that if you see something, nudge your buddy, point and say "Look! A flying saucer!" it is not a UFO. Your identification may be wrong (almost certainly is, in fact) but it's still identified.
 
Won't gas molecules have enough kinetic energy to destroy an object colliding on the speed of light (or close to it)?
As far as I know a handful of atom's won't harm a ship. If they do impact at high speed, they might create local damage (on an atomic scale, but this could have varying effects depending on what gets hit, like structural components vs a sensor of some kind), they might just pass through the ship, or they might just be absorbed or reflected by a protection mechanism (electric field/physical shielding). You would need a very large amount of concentrated high energy partials before you could do real damage (an in blow up a ship).


I mean the gravitational fields of massive stars or black holes (even light cannot resist their gravity) that are MANY times stronger than the Earth gravity. They won't just pull our spaceship (let alone be used to slingshot and save fuel), they'll just destroy it.

Black holes can only trap light at or below their event horizon. Outside of that, they're not too special. You just need to mind where you're going. The central black hole of our galaxy is pulling on is, but it's so far away no one notices.


So many bodies to avoid that it will take ages to just plan the route.
That really depends. You could have it mapped out beforehand. Even if the mapping takes a while, once it's done, the trip isn't that hard. You could also plan as you go, making stops along way if you need to scout ahead. Massive objects are probably a small threat since they would be so easy to find, the bigger problem is probably smaller more dispersed objects, like the Oort Cloud, or something similar in free space.

No matter how long it takes though, it seems like there is time. It would take 10 million years to cross the galaxy at today's pace. If someone were to try and get to us from the other side, they would have billions of years to plan a route.


I mean, the more people learn physics and astronomy, the more of considered ways of space travelling they find impossible. For example, exceeding the lightspeed is impossible. People didn't think so before Einstein.
They also didn't have technology to reach another planet then. We're finding more limits, but also finding more solutions.
 
So yeah. Being from Cumbria, I hear many farmer's stories of contact all the time.

One of the most recent one I heard was a farmer (this is vital as it means little light pollution) who saw a pale blue light floating for about 3 minutes before it changed colour to a deep red. It sat there for "about 4 minutes" before "simply fading away". No other witnesses, which does kinda raise suspicion but then again, the nearest life was in Carlisle. Not exactly a place without light pollution...
 
I mean the gravitational fields of massive stars or black holes (even light cannot resist their gravity) that are MANY times stronger than the Earth gravity. They won't just pull our spaceship (let alone be used to slingshot and save fuel), they'll just destroy it.

You're talking about stuff with gravity gradients steep enough to tear stuff apart. Black holes and neutron stars, basically, and there's not really evidence for a massive abundance of either.

Avoid, the same way you avoid driving your car into volcanoes.

Won't gas molecules have enough kinetic energy to destroy an object colliding on the speed of light (or close to it)?

Potentially, but there's ways to deal with that as well. Ramscoops to use the hydrogen, magnetic deflection, just throwing a huge hunk of ice or something ahead of the ship to clear a path, and this is with current tech. If we can get an object up to something approaching the speed of light, I think random molecular debris will be the least of our issues.

So many bodies to avoid that it will take ages to just plan the route.

And if we didn't have computers, that might be a problem. Nobody is suggesting planning the route using a pen and paper.
 
I've always wondered, if there are intelligent beings on other planets;

* how they look.

* what their society looks like

* how they communicate

* how their world looks like

* if they already found planet earth

* have they been here or not

* do we share DNA, if their lifeform has DNA ofcourse

* how they live. Do they go to work every morning, come home and say: "honey I'm home, what's for dinner"?


etc... .


I just wonder......
 
Whenever I hear these stories about 'triangular aircraft' I immediately think prototype/stealth planes, as do a lot of people.

With regards to people seeing UFO's at night, I just don't get why a 'visiting aircraft' would be lit up like a chritmas tree as well, surely the last thing they would want is to be seen?
Also, why would any aliens just fly to earth, hang around for a few seconds and then go somewhere else? Hardly seems worthwhile, unless they have different perceptions (right word?) of time to us humans.

I'm not someone who believes that we have been visited by aliens, although I have seen one unusual thing in the sky, but I think it may have been a helicopter :dunce:.

This was actually a couple of nights ago on the way to a night shift at 8 o'clock. I saw a low, large (compared to other stars currently in the sky) orange-ish glow that looked like it was far in the distance that didn't seem to be moving at all. After a minute or so of noticing it, it seemed to fade a little, before I lost sight of it.
The reason I thought it was a helicopter was because there was a dual carriage way in that direction, so it could have been there for traffic reports/police. But I didn't notice any flashing lights that are usually on helicopters. :confused:
 
Whenever I hear these stories about 'triangular aircraft' I immediately think prototype/stealth planes, as do a lot of people.

With regards to people seeing UFO's at night, I just don't get why a 'visiting aircraft' would be lit up like a chritmas tree as well, surely the last thing they would want is to be seen?
Also, why would any aliens just fly to earth, hang around for a few seconds and then go somewhere else? Hardly seems worthwhile, unless they have different perceptions (right word?) of time to us humans.

With regards to unknown triangular craft sightings, the classics are Belgium '89/'90, and Phoenix, '97.

The most common UFO sighting is that of a glowing ball of light at night, often orange or red in color.

Your question about the inscrutable motivations and incomprehensible, often ridiculous behavior of UFO's is most excellent. Jacques Vallee, possibly the best UFO writer ever, extensively documents and discusses the absurdity of the UFO phenomenon in many of his books. Vallee, an astronomer and computer scientist with high connections, accepts the phenomenon as real, and tries to understand and explain it in the most rational, scientific way he can. He does not think that UFO's are real vehicles from other worlds piloted by aliens, but represent something far stranger.
 
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