Aliens

[Exorcet]

If they had the technology to remain (mostly) undetected that would probably be a lot easier and preferable than making themselves known to the angry apes of Earth.

For all we know, we could be the most peaceful civilization in the history of the universe.

 

[Badger-X-]

For all we know, we could be the most peaceful civilization in the history of the universe.

Absolutely. Truth is, as of now there are too many unknown factors to make any real claims either way. So much so, in fact, that a statement like "I don't believe in aliens" is just as scientifically baseless as "I do believe in aliens". I'm generalizing, I know. Point is: an open mind is more able to consider the possibilities than a closed one.

 

[Dotini]

After 1262 posts, it's a good time to check our poll, Is There Extraterrestrial Life?

5.7% No
18.6% Maybe
75.7% Yes

I submit we have settled that particular question to the best of our ability. Now, perhaps there is a better question.

Has Earth been visited, or is Earth currently being visited, by an alien intelligence, either living or robotic?

 

[zzz_pt]

After 1262 posts, it's a good time to check our poll, Is There Extraterrestrial Life?

5.7% No
18.6% Maybe
75.7% Yes

I submit we have settled that particular question to the best of our ability. Now, perhaps there is a better question.

1. Has Earth been visited, or 2. is Earth currently being visited, by an alien intelligence, either living or robotic?

1: Maybe...we've been arround for aprox 100.000/150.000 years and the Earth is 4.500.000y.

2: I don't think so. But we are limited. Maybe we can't see it.

 

[kikie]

Bacteria living on another planet is also extraterrestrial life. Extraterrestrial life is too general.

 

[Callum B]

Extraterrestrial intelligent life is what's meant. Something more advanced than a single celled organism. Even something such as 'alien' that resembles something like a worm here would be quite a find.
There's a book my mum has read, I forgot the name, which explains a theory that aliens came down and basically started the Egyptians off on their empire. Sounds crazy but is none the less an interesting hypothesis.

 

[kikie]

Sounds more like Stargate.

 

[Ryanswannell]

Or a load of kack.

 

[Dotini]

Or the Bible.

The Book of Enoch, pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, describes in hair-raising detail, visits by what may very easily be interpreted as aliens who brought advanced knowledge of several important kinds.

 

[Callum B]

I admit I too think it sounds ridiculous beyond any logical reason, but it's fun to think about, little green men with disproportionate eyes building pyramids and drawing pictures of funny looking bird people.

 

[Tired Tyres]

After 1262 posts, it's a good time to check our poll, Is There Extraterrestrial Life?

5.7% No
18.6% Maybe
75.7% Yes

I submit we have settled that particular question to the best of our ability. Now, perhaps there is a better question.

Has Earth been visited, or is Earth currently being visited, by an alien intelligence, either living or robotic?

In my opinion. Not as long as there has been life on this planet. If an alien came to Earth, breathed in and then breathed out, it would be a death sentence to all life on Earth. Nothing would be immune to its biology.

An alien visiting the planet before life existed, and being the catalyst for its creation, is possible I suppose.

 

[BobK]

After 1262 posts, it's a good time to check our poll, Is There Extraterrestrial Life?

5.7% No
18.6% Maybe
75.7% Yes

I submit we have settled that particular question to the best of our ability.

Yes, and there was a point in time where the Earth was flat, or so a poll would establish.

The people voting "yes" must be privy to information I do not have, as I know of no evidence whatsoever that life exists elsewhere. Now, having said that, I feel it's exceedingly likely that life exists in some form or other elsewhere in the universe. But I don't know for a certainty.

Now, perhaps there is a better question.

Has Earth been visited, or is Earth currently being visited, by an alien intelligence, either living or robotic?

I don't rule out the possibility altogether, but I think it's exceedingly unlikely.

 

[DK]

Or the Bible.

The Book of Enoch, pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, describes in hair-raising detail, visits by what may very easily be interpreted as aliens who brought advanced knowledge of several important kinds.

You'd wonder why they'd go for some random guy in what would be modern-day Israel/Palestine/Jordan/Syria rather than the most advanced civilisations of that time.

 

[Dotini]

You'd wonder why they'd go for some random guy in what would be modern-day Israel/Palestine/Jordan/Syria rather than the most advanced civilisations of that time.

There is great question as to the location, time, veracity and meaning of the events described in Enoch. It is a very peculiar piece of literature. You've heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls described as the library of the Essenes? If it was a library, Enoch was the most popular scroll, as there were more copies of it than any other book of what later became canon.

Scholars have long thought that civilization began in the area that is now Iraq and parts of Turkey and Iran, as well as the places you mention, and also including Egypt; broadly, "the fertile crescent", "the cradle of civilization".

 

[Tesla]

Yes, and there was a point in time where the Earth was flat, or so a poll would establish.

Fun fact, most people have known the earth wasn't flat since the ancient Greeks. Clever trigonometry and other mathematical work proved it for them.

 

[Dotini]

Regions not included in the timeline include: Southern Africa, the Caribbean, Central Asia, Northern Europe,
Korea, Japan, Oceania, Siberia, Southeast Asia, and Taiwan.

 

[BobK]

Fun fact, most people have known the earth wasn't flat since the ancient Greeks. Clever trigonometry and other mathematical work proved it for them.

Indeed, most educated people back then knew that. The poll I had in mind was the "average man in the street" from back then.

I actually wonder how many people back then did in fact know the world was round. Scholars, obviously. Sailors, perhaps; keep in mind that up through the Middle Ages ships for the most part didn't sail out of sight of land. If you were to ask the average peasant/commoner, I'm pretty certain they would have said it's flat. And there were a lot more peasants than scholars; it was the scholars though that wrote the histories an whatnot so it's their thoughts that were preserved.

 

[kikie]

For all we know, Aliens don't have a concience, no moral standards etc... . These could be human concepts only. What we consider to be an act of aggression, could well be a normal thing for Aliens. Maybe they consider planet earth as much as their planet as we consider it ours. It is after all part of the univers we share (if they exist). They are after all "Aliens" and their we of thinking, acting, doing things is also probably completely alien to us. The only way to find out is when they come to planet earth.

 

[Ryanswannell]

Going back to my post a week or two ago:

This was actually a couple of nights ago on the way to a night shift at 8 o'clock. I saw a low, large (compared to other stars currently in the sky) orange-ish glow that looked like it was far in the distance that didn't seem to be moving at all. After a minute or so of noticing it, it seemed to fade a little, before I lost sight of it.
The reason I thought it was a helicopter was because there was a dual carriage way in that direction, so it could have been there for traffic reports/police. But I didn't notice any flashing lights that are usually on helicopters.

I could swear that the same thing happened again this evening. I was in a different area of town (about 5 minutes drive away) but still going to work for my 8pm start at work.

I was getting a lift to work and in the same area of the sky as last time, I noticed a slightly larger/brighter 'star' of a very very faint orang-ish glow relatively low to the horizon to other stars. I noticed it for about 5-10 seconds before it quickly faded away. It was a cloudy night so maybe the 'object' went behind a cloud. It didn't seem to be moving though.

Any ideas as to what I could have been seeing?

EDIT: After a little looking around, apparently the colour of the star is the result of looking through many miles of the earths atmosphere, which can also block the view of the star at certain times. Correct?

 

[Badger-X-]

After a little looking around, apparently the colour of the star is the result of looking through many miles of the earths atmosphere, which can also block the view of the star at certain times. Correct?

Yup. It's the same atmospheric distortion we see with our star at sunrise and sunset. I'm curious what star it might be, though. What direction were you facing? I'm "guessing" you're in Northamptonshire?

 

[kikie]

Maybe you saw Mars or Venus.

 

[Dennisch]

Could be a satellite. They can also go from extremely bright to gone in 60 seconds.

And there is a major difference in spotting Venus or Mars. Venus will appear as a very bright white star. Mars is a small reddish dot.

 

[Ryanswannell]

Yup. It's the same atmospheric distortion we see with our star at sunrise and sunset. I'm curious what star it might be, though. What direction were you facing? I'm "guessing" you're in Northamptonshire?

Yep, I was in Kettering, Northamptonshire. It was south.

Cheers for all of the replies 👍

 

[Badger-X-]

Yep, I was in Kettering, Northamptonshire. It was south.

So after a little star map referencing it seems like you'd be looking at one of the stars in the Hydra, Crater, or Corvus constellations. They're not particularly bright, though, so if you were looking a little more to the southeast it could easily be either Spica, one of the brighter stars of the constellation Virgo, or Mars.

 

[Dean]

Was it any similar to this?

There's a slight possibility it could be an airplane, but of course that could be wrong. Just out of curiosity though, have you tried using a Flight Tracker when the light was there?

 

[Dotini]

Here be aliens, says Edward Snowden. Not Extraterrestrial, but Ultraterrestrial.

“The highest levels of government don’t know what to do about UFOs, and the official story that they are all merely weather balloons or natural phenomena have been clearly dismissed. If anything, these documents speak about UFOs as if they are surely guided by an intelligence beyond our own. As it turns out, the most credible and inexplicable sightings are of vehicles which have been spotted leaving the sea floor at hydrothermal vents and directly entering solar orbit. Because ballistic missile tracking systems and deep sea sonar are kept as state secrets, scientists don’t have access to data about these objects. However, most of the contractors at DARPA are sure that there is a species more intelligent than homo sapiens living in the mantle of the Earth"
http://www.chronicle.su/news/snowden-reveals-ufo-documents-after-receiving-asylum-in-venezuela

 

[kikie]

Every time I see a photo of Teotihuacan, it looks alien to me instead of a site (city) on earth.

 

[Dennisch]

Earth mantle terrestrials

Well. We all be having a hard time capturing those with our cameraphones.
Unless we update to iOs7.

@kikie

What is so alien about the easiest structure there is to build?

 

[PeterJB]

I think Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is whats so alien about the easiest structure there is to build.

 

[TenEightyOne]

http://www.chronicle.su/news/snowden-reveals-ufo-documents-after-receiving-asylum-in-venezuela

Looks pretty fishy, especially the "quote". Any better sources for this? Would be a great conspiracy theory