All Ford/Shelby Mustangs tested at Suzuka :)

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2:16.844 - Ford Shelby GT500 '13 [P]
2:19.846 - Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13 [P]
2:22.355 - Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
2:26.716 - Shelby GT350 '65 [P]
2:26.891 - Shelby GT350R '65
2:28.615 - Ford Mustang Mach 1 '71 [P]
2:28.673 - Ford Mustang GT '05
2:31.816 - Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07 [P]

All replays here: https://www.youtube.com/user/GT6SuzukaTimeTrials/videos

Car specs are listed in description boxes below videos.

15 seconds between fastest and slowest Mustangs. That '07 is pure garbage (sorry Mustang fans, but it is what it is!)
 
I assure you the poor lap time isn't because of me. It really is a 2:30+ car :(

Hell, the Buick GNX '87 came out 20 years earlier and is just as fast!

GNX
3.8L
276 hp / 4,500 rpm
360 ft-lb / 3,000 rpm
1,600 kg
427 pp

Mustang '07
4.6L
299 hp / 6,000 rpm
320 ft-lb / 4,500 rpm
1,630 kg
442 pp


 
Doesn't the Mach 1 have a gear limited top speed that's less than 115mph? At least it was in GT5. Just goes to show how bad the '05 and '07 Mustangs are. I hated getting them in shuffle races, you were guaranteed to finish at the back of the pack, it's not that fact that even bothered me that much about them, they were just poo and unfun to drive.
 
Well, the Mustang was never meant to be a track car. As much as I love the Mustang, I know it's nothing more than a pretty looking personal daily driver. Especially with the fact that it's just the GT model.

The Boss 302 on the other hand is a very impressive machine. Other than the Cobra R, I've never seen a Mustang as a full blown track sports car. When I drove it in GT6 I was impressed by its handling and the high rev V8. ALMOST (and I emphasize on 'almost') on par with the performance and handling you would expect from a BMW M3.

The Shelby for me it's just a waste of money. The only reason why it's faster is because of the almost 200 extra horsepower. The car is awesome, and it's probably the best looking Mustang ever, but the Boss 302 makes way much more sense performance wise.
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
Doesn't the Mach 1 have a gear limited top speed that's less than 115mph?
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I had to feather the Mach 1 at about 112 mph on the straightaway. Amazing to me that it's as quick or quicker than a modern 4.6L GT.

HuskyGT
The Boss 302 on the other hand is a very impressive machine. Other than the Cobra R, I've never seen a Mustang as a full blown track sports car. When I drove it in GT6 I was impressed by its handling and the high rev V8. ALMOST (and I emphasize on 'almost') on par with the performance and handling you would expect from a BMW M3.

The Shelby for me it's just a waste of money. The only reason why it's faster is because of the almost 200 extra horsepower. The car is awesome, and it's probably the best looking Mustang ever, but the Boss 302 makes way much more sense performance wise.
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The Boss 302 is 8 tenths quicker than the '07 M3 in my hands, so you're on the money with that comparison! I agree the GT500 is not worth the extra money over the Boss 302, but some people want the Shelby name, and the fact that it stomps the Boss in a drag race.
 
Holy crap, the '07 is five seconds slower than the '65 GT350. Slower than an '01 Civic Type R even.

SuzukaStar
The Boss 302 is 8 tenths quicker than the '07 M3 in my hands, so you're on the money with that comparison! I agree the GT500 is not worth the extra money over the Boss 302, but some people want the Shelby name, and the fact that it stomps the Boss in a drag race.
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I genuinely think the Boss 302 will be viewed as far more of a classic Mustang than the '13 GT500 will. It seems far more intelligently made, it looks fantastic, has solid power figures and can actually take a turn. The '13 GT500 just seems like a bog standard Mustang with a Shelby badge and a supercharger.
 
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Woot woot GNX!
 
The '05 has 5 fewer horses and 5 fewer ft-lbs than the '07 but weighs 137 lbs less. Seems odd that they would be 3 seconds apart based on those differences, all else being equal.
 
I think I did a comparison quite a while back with my Mustangs. They were all mildly tuned to my liking, but the results were very similar. I was stunned to see how the old Mustangs (Shelby 350 and Mach 1) out-handled the '07 GT with much less power, stock suspension and only a Weight Reduction 1. My GT was tuned to 390HP, sports suspension and had a weight reduction 1. Still came in like a couple of seconds slower.
 
YZF
Are you using wheel for tests?
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Unfortunately no. I'd LOVE for people to attempt beating some of my lap times using a wheel. I have a well-trained left thumb for careful steering inputs, and I know the track better than most people, so even wheel users will have a hard time beating some of these times. Give it a shot!

I'm going to start putting money aside soon for a PS4, GT7, and whatever wheel Logitech or Thrustmaster come out with, and I'll be doing these tests all over again. Maybe with CS tires.
 
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88GTA
@SuzukaStar
Do you have a list of lap times vs. Performance Points anywhere? Would it be possible to start one on gtplanet?
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I had been keeping an Excel spreadsheet with all that info up until I hit 463 cars and then I got tired of it. I'm up to 555 cars now. Under the replay videos you can find power, weight, and PP.

When I started uploading everything to Youtube is when I stopped keeping track of the spreadsheet...
 
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SuzukaStar
Unfortunately no. I'd LOVE for people to attempt beating some of my lap times using a wheel. I have a well-trained left thumb for steering and I know the track better than most people, so even wheel users will have a hard time beating some of these times. Give it a shot!
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I already did. Wasn't especially hard. It's much easier to beat gamepad with a wheel.


SuzukaStar
I'm going to start putting money aside soon for a PS4, GT7, and whatever wheel Logitech or Thrustmaster come out with, and I'll be doing these tests all over again. Maybe with CS tires.
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Yeah, i think you should buy wheel for GT7, otherwise if you buy now, you'll have to do all those tests with a wheel, again. (:
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
Doesn't the Mach 1 have a gear limited top speed that's less than 115mph? At least it was in GT5. Just goes to show how bad the '05 and '07 Mustangs are. I hated getting them in shuffle races, you were guaranteed to finish at the back of the pack, it's not that fact that even bothered me that much about them, they were just poo and unfun to drive.
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I officially refer to the '07 Mustang as the Ford Suckstang.
 
YZF
I already did. Wasn't especially hard. It's much easier to beat gamepad with a wheel.
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What was your time and which car? How many laps did it take? I only do 2-4, sometimes just 1 lap if I felt especially good about it and can't get ahead of my ghost after the first half of the next lap, but those 1-lap cars are rare.

I'm making it my mission that for these tests in GT7, nobody will beat ANY of my times. I will do ten THOUSAND laps in each car to ensure that I'm the fastest lol
 
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SuzukaStar
What was your time and which car? How many laps did it take? I only do 2-4, sometimes just 1 lap if I felt especially good about it and can't get ahead of my ghost after the first half of the next lap, but those 1-lap cars are rare.
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To beat your time it took me probably 1 clean lap, but i was aiming for even better lap time (my personal limit) so that took little bit longer. I rarely play Suzuka and don't know the track very well.

 
Yep you beat me by 2 seconds in that car. You sure all your specs are the same?

197 hp / 8,000 rpm
139 ft-lb / 6,500 rpm
1,080 kg
409 pp

It's hard to do partial throttle or partial brake with the controller triggers. Still, since it's only a single driver testing 550+ cars, the times for each car are consistent. Meaning if you were to do what I did with your wheel, each car would be ~2 seconds or so faster. The order of cars from fastest to slowest wouldn't change much at all, only their lap times would shift up.
 
SuzukaStar
Yep you beat me by 2 seconds in that car. You sure all your specs are the same?

197 hp / 8,000 rpm
139 ft-lb / 6,500 rpm
1,080 kg
409 pp

It's hard to do partial throttle or partial brake with the controller triggers. Still, since it's only a single driver testing 550+ cars, the times for each car are consistent. Meaning if you were to do what I did with your wheel, each car would be ~2 seconds or so faster. The order of cars from fastest to slowest wouldn't change much at all, only their lap times.
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Settings are written in youtube video description.

But in any case, wheel is faster than pad - no secret here.

Lap time difference between cars should remain the same, mostly. Although sometimes it could change, because when you use wheel you can 'extract' more speed out of car and exploit some of it's performance advantages which would be otherwise hidden when using pad.
 
SuzukaStar
Unfortunately no. I'd LOVE for people to attempt beating some of my lap times using a wheel. I have a well-trained left thumb for careful steering inputs, and I know the track better than most people, so even wheel users will have a hard time beating some of these times. Give it a shot!

I'm going to start putting money aside soon for a PS4, GT7, and whatever wheel Logitech or Thrustmaster come out with, and I'll be doing these tests all over again. Maybe with CS tires.
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I think its great that you strive for consistency when you make these comparisons, certainly helps you know the track in your sleep. You may not be as fast with a wheel, but you'll have a LOT more fun doing it. I would strongly recommend the T300 when its available. I have a T500 and a TX and the FFB on the TX is better than the T500. The T300 is the same design as the TX. I'm likely selling my T500 and buying a T300 when they're available so that I have the Xbox One and PS3/PS4 covered.

YZF
Settings are written in youtube video description.

But in any case, wheel is faster than pad - no secret here.

Lap time difference between cars should remain the same, mostly. Although sometimes it could change, because when you use wheel you can 'extract' more speed out of car and exploit some of it's performance advantages which would be otherwise hidden when using pad.
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That's not necessarily true with most people. But I won't argue that a wheel is far more immersive and fun.
 
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Blkout
That's not necessarily true with most people. But I won't argue that a wheel is far more immersive and fun.
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Probably. That's why i wrote 'mostly'. Another reason for having wheel is that when you use pad, you control only upper and lower level, i.e. 100% ON or 0% off (for acceleration and steering if using buttons only) while everything in between is controlled by AI (internal driving aid).

With a wheel, if you switch off all help, you are always in control: 0% - 1% - 2% .. 30%.. 55% .. 98%, 99%, 100%.
 
Whatever wheel I buy for PS4, it needs to have a clutch. Not that I'll be using it for these tests, but my real-life car has 3 pedals, and I want my virtual cars to be able to have the same. I liked the G27 I had for half a year until I got sick of the 1-2 shift constantly putting me into neutral unless I shifted very slowly, so I sold it along with the Obutto Ozone. This was before I started testing. I probably won't buy a Logitech because of that annoyance, so I'll need a Thrustmaster with 3 pedals. If that's not possible, I guess I will settle for the T300: http://www.thrustmaster.com/press/t300-rs-first-official-force-feedback-wheel-playstation-4
 
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I use a g27, never use the clutch and H gate for the miss shifting, so unrealistic. I use the paddles for consistency.

I've driven an 06 GT Mustang, quick car and even handled pretty well, nothing like the 350z track I drove, but good by all means.
 

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