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It's been a while since I posted here. Anyway, yesterday night I went to the lake in town. This is what I bought home.
amateur photo thread.
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I love the swirl aurora in the first pic in particular.
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All three of these shots are great, but the first is especially excellent. Very cool!
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I like the frosty pic. That just sang to me.
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New figure, new year, new photos. It's all PVC/ABS plastic, so all those intricate hair strands are absolutely nuts. Whole thing stands at 430mm tall.
Went a step up from my usual model car pics, and for the first time setup multiple lights and props rather than light=painting and stacking photos.
I took this last one at this angle to give off a concert stage lighting and angle from an "audience" view.
Went a step up from my usual model car pics, and for the first time setup multiple lights and props rather than light=painting and stacking photos.
I took this last one at this angle to give off a concert stage lighting and angle from an "audience" view.
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Amazing artwork on every level!
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Ive been missing taking some outdoor snaps recently, because of an injury, so taken a few in game snaps instead. I think in game light is really improving, and if you're limited by health, equipment or geography it can offer some opportunities. I realise that it is staging / cheating, but how to get close to a Peregrine?! I wont post anymore of these as its an affront to traditional photographers / not the right thread. What are your thoughts on the state of in game photography though? GT7 is going to take it to a whole new level...
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Games are getting quite amazing!
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My thought is that it looks amazing but has nothing to do with photography.
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Certainly there are different skill sets for a true photographer, I think in game photography has more similarities with directing if anything. Ive noticed the photo-modes are getting all of the features (and more besides) than you can get on a modern camera now so once the context for using them the games themselves keep on improving it will become much of a muchness between virtual and real. Next gen VR could make a fine analogue style interface for future photographers too perhaps?
One thing im starved of is varied subjects to shoot in my own locale, and virtual subjects are as varied as our imagination so this sphere has its strong suit I guess even if its still got a way to go to emulate reality.
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It can be used as a practice tool for photography but has nothing to do with photography. You are changing settings on a rendering, not catching a scene by letting light hit a sensor or a film emulsion or a photo paper
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I think that's the nail on the head the rendering is (currently) crude... light is only just getting its first steps in a virtual setting (with ray tracing / particle effects) previously it was basic direct light source / reflections and ambient occlusion. The potential is there for virtual realm to catch up to reality. I'm looking forward to exploring the possibilities being offered by PS5 with the race replays in GT7 (which are lower fps / full ray tracing 4K). I wonder how long before the human eye can barely discern the differences? Perhaps this is more art with photographic techniques applied to it and its eye of the beholder / subjective as to its value. There was quite a lot of thought going into gameplay of manoeuvring the bird around in those images, maybe for now its still just a game with photographic elements... One day it may be as accepted / respected as regular photography, perhaps with metaverse looming photographers will learn to operate in a new ways... We have come along way in 150 years from tin types! Photography is at its most interesting exploring new frontiers, I cant wait to see the James Webb telescope images this summer, who knows what the future holds? Perhaps the premise of one type of image creation being better than another will ultimately be proven wrong.
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I never thought I would be like an old man yelling at the sky but in my opinion it can never be photography, no matter how much it can rival reality (it already can, rendering can look just as reality) it can be art for sure, it is already but it's not photography.
If I paint a picture with oil and brush and use a shallow depth as a large aperture would produce in photography you still wouldn't call it photography.
And rendering can never be photography for the very same reason. That it's not using light to capture what is in front of the lens.
It's 0 and 1s in a computer.
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Is it photography with true ray tracing though? I dont necessarily think the object being shot has to be real to qualify as shot if it is bathed in rendered photons or real. This is why I think we might approaching a watershed moment for "game photography", it does seem to be converging with conventional photography, although it has some way to go with resolution. Regular photographs are frequently staged / edited and use artificial light sources too (like those fine quality pictures AOS posted earlier). I bet this debate has played out many times as technology changed in photography over the years... Film would have initially been way better than digital, and the subsequent light sensors become so effective / film grain has been eliminated from the equation. Same with drone photography first gen was absolutely terrible without image stabilisation, and yet look at the shots they yield today. One thing for sure is photography and technology are intertwined to such a degree that it will quickly evolve beyond this paradigm, and traditional methods will always be available to enthusiasts too, so win win!
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No. Still not photography. All the examples you give are photografy, they all use real light to register a photo on a light sensitive surface. Even artificial light is light.
Ray tracing changes absolutely nothing. You are still rendering something that doesn't exist in the real world.
Edit: if you use a camera and take a photo of your screen it's photography otherwise it isn't.
It's not that the object is bathed in rendered photons, it's that the object isn't there and the photons isn't there. It's a rendering and that can, per definition, never be photography. Ever.
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Thanks for engaging me with this, its been interesting to debate. Maybe the definition of what we are discussing needs to be adjusted to the new emerging paradigm, but that's for smarter people to debate than me. I do enjoy the discussion and try to learn from it. I realise Im not an expert in these things at all now (rendering photo art what do I know? heck I can barely snap a level shot). Its was not my intention to ruffle any feathers either, I apologise... keep those sublime northern lights pictures coming my friend they're uplifting to behold :-)
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The small bonus of taking snaps is they can put you in the moment, which is a blessing if you're feeling bleak. Took a walk and a few snaps this morning just to blow away the cobwebs.
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Odd purple glow from Atlanta, one morning in January. The sun was just at the horizon but the clouds were low and thick enough to obscure it...usually this shot is either all dark with just the lights or bluish because the light isn't quite right.
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Lots of trees knocked down in the wind recently
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Some Tail of the Dragon pics taken the other week:
Camera is a Nikon D300 and I believe I was using my Sigma 30mm 1.4 lens
Camera is a Nikon D300 and I believe I was using my Sigma 30mm 1.4 lens
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Bill Nye came to my university the other day. I took these with my Pixel 6 and edited the raw files in Lightroom
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The first photos I've taken in nearly two years, on B&W film.
I just got a Nikon FM3A, so I've been taking it out. Unfortunately, either my eyesight has worsened, I'm not good at focusing this particular setup or I've been using the aperture wide open too much, causing my photos to be mushy and unfocused. The last just seems like an excuse, although I'm just trying to understand what's going wrong.
That said, I really, really really need to get this skill back to the level that I was once at.
Compositionally, I feel like I'm still there, it's just about getting it all to look good after development.
A good composition won't work if it's out of focus.
Regardless, here's what I have to share.
I just got a Nikon FM3A, so I've been taking it out. Unfortunately, either my eyesight has worsened, I'm not good at focusing this particular setup or I've been using the aperture wide open too much, causing my photos to be mushy and unfocused. The last just seems like an excuse, although I'm just trying to understand what's going wrong.
That said, I really, really really need to get this skill back to the level that I was once at.
Compositionally, I feel like I'm still there, it's just about getting it all to look good after development.
A good composition won't work if it's out of focus.
Regardless, here's what I have to share.
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Low light is tricky on film. The ISO is far less forgiving that what we are used to in digital now
Either use a tripod, a string tripod if you want mobility or shoot in better light.
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