America - The Official Thread

[Scaff]

Leftist kept screaming about how authoritarian Trump was. Well. I am old enough to remember rooting for Jimmy Carter because he was a born again Christian, and I have never in my life seen anything more authoritarian than this vaccine mandate.

This is so un-American, it is disgusting.

Someone famous once said something like "those who would give up liberty for safety, deserve neither". Think it was B Franklin, but too lazy to look it up.

Anyway, this whole mandate thing kind of reminds me of the mark of the beast. You can't earn or trade without it. But instead of getting you on the wrist or the forehead, they settled midway and got you in the arm

I am fully Pfizered, by the way.

It's so un-American that Washington did it first!

History of vaccine mandates in the US

History of vaccine mandates in the US | On Sept. 9, 2021, President Joe Biden announced new COVID-19 vaccine requirements for government employees, large employers, and healthcare workers to combat…

www.chicagotribune.com

Seem's your too lazy to look up quite a bit...

 

[TexRex]

I am an atheist so...

Anyway, this whole mandate thing kind of reminds me of the mark of the beast.

It's so un-American that Washington did it first!

"STOP ERASING OUR HISTORY!"

 

[Scaff]

"STOP ERASING OUR HISTORY!"

If only it had a statue...

 

[TexRex]

If only it had a statue...

Or a movie not offered by a streaming platform.

 

[Danoff]

Leftist kept screaming about how authoritarian Trump was. Well. I am old enough to remember rooting for Jimmy Carter because he was a born again Christian, and I have never in my life seen anything more authoritarian than this vaccine mandate.

This is so un-American, it is disgusting.

cough january 6th cough

 

[McLaren]

Someone famous once said something like "those who would give up liberty for safety, deserve neither". Think it was B Franklin, but too lazy to look it up.

You should. That was about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania GA and the family of the Penns…..

 

[Biggles]

You should. That was about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania GA and the family of the Penns…..

Fascinating stuff - almost the exact opposite of what the phrase is used to suggest when it is quoted today.

 

[Tornado]

The seatbelt mandate is evil. Ban the seatbelt mandate. God bless America.

There's no such thing to ban, nor really do I think there should be one. Your second point works much better as a point of comparison; which still isn't a federal requirement but is one in every state (with the differences being what the exemptions are) including the one Chrunch lives in.

 

[Danoff]

It's so un-American that Washington did it first!

History of vaccine mandates in the US

History of vaccine mandates in the US | On Sept. 9, 2021, President Joe Biden announced new COVID-19 vaccine requirements for government employees, large employers, and healthcare workers to combat…

www.chicagotribune.com

Seem's your too lazy to look up quite a bit...

The 2nd vaccine mandate on the list (upheld by the supreme court over a century ago), looks like it was a straight vaccine mandate on all people, rather than a requirement on companies that are employing over 100 people to either do testing or require vaccination.

Those are pretty huge distinctions. OSHA requires some (distinction 1), employers (distinction 2), to require vaccination or testing (distinction 3), and the vaccine in question is way less dangerous (distinction 4). That's quite a bit less "authoritarian" than what the supreme court upheld in 1905.

Let's not let this get in the way of the narrative though - vaccines are terrible, we're all anti-vax all of the sudden, rah rah yay covid.

 

[TexRex]

cough january 6th cough

Unlikely to be compelling to a delusional Trumper.

including the [state] Chrunch lives in

Stupor?

 

[Jezza819]

Unlikely to be compelling to a delusional Trumper.

Stupor?

Denial.

 

[TexRex]

Denial.

The river in Egypt?

 

[kjb]

Leftist kept screaming about how authoritarian Trump was. Well. I am old enough to remember rooting for Jimmy Carter because he was a born again Christian, and I have never in my life seen anything more authoritarian than this vaccine mandate.

This is so un-American, it is disgusting.

Someone famous once said something like "those who would give up liberty for safety, deserve neither". Think it was B Franklin, but too lazy to look it up.

Anyway, this whole mandate thing kind of reminds me of the mark of the beast. You can't earn or trade without it. But instead of getting you on the wrist or the forehead, they settled midway and got you in the arm

I am fully Pfizered, by the way.

So are you part of the new world order since you have taken the mark of the beast?

 

[TexRex]

 

[Chrunch Houston]

"STOP ERASING OUR HISTORY!"

What? An atheist can't know the Bible? I have read the entire thing. I was raised as an Evangelical Christian. My mother was a preacher up until the Obama IRS took away her ministry's tax exempt status. It had the word "eagle" in it's name.

It's so un-American that Washington did it first!

How many bakers and blacksmiths lost their jobs for not getting the vax? I served in the Army for four years. Your rights are suspended while you serve.

cough january 6th cough

What do a bunch of dumb asses running through the Capitol have to do with the Biden administration forcing businesses to become the covid police.

Since when did an un-elected government agency like OSHA get the power to tell companies, they have to fire people? Where are the elected law makers? They should be the ones making that kind of decision.

 

[McLaren]

How many bakers and blacksmiths lost their jobs for not getting the vax? I served in the Army for four years. Your rights are suspended while you serve.

His link goes beyond military service.

1809: Massachusetts institutes the first vaccine mandate | This law authorized local boards of health to require smallpox vaccinations for those over 21. Other states subsequently passed similar legislation. However, opposition to mandatory vaccination increased as states began to enforce these laws. Vaccine mandates were repealed in California, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Utah, West Virginia, and Wisconsin. In 1905, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the authority of states to enforce vaccine requirements in the landmark case Jacobson v. Massachusetts.

1867: The Urbana, Ohio, board of health passes a law requiring citizens to get available vaccines in the event of future epidemics.

1905: The US Supreme Court decides Jacobson v. Massachusetts | The case upheld the right of individual states to mandate vaccination. In its decision, the Court maintained that a law requiring smallpox vaccination was a reasonable exercise of the state’s right to protect public health and safety and did not violate an individual’s civil and legal rights under the Fourteenth Amendment.

1944: The US Supreme Court decides Prince v. Massachusetts | The court ruled that mandating childhood vaccines comes under the doctrine of parens patriae, in which the state exerts authority over child welfare. In their decision, the justices wrote that parental authority is not absolute and can be restricted if doing so is in the child’s best interest. They went on to say freedom of religion does not give parents the right to expose their community or their child to a communicable disease, or the child to the possibility of illness or death.

Vaccine mandates go even further back. The man you tried to quote, Ben Franklin, even had a say on it.

1777 - Thomas Jefferson drafts a mandatory inoculation law for citizens of Virginia
1770s- early 1780s - mandatory isolation and hospitalizations for anybody symptomatic.
1793 - Benjamin Rush and James Monroe assist in enacting quarantining refugees from Philadelphia. Those breaking quarantine are jailed with assistance of citizen patrols, particularly in New York, Baltimore, and Norfolk. Havre de Grace sinks anybody crossing the river into Maryland.
1780s until the end of life - Benjamin Franklin advocates for stringent public health measures in the face of epidemics. Dr. Rush pushes for government mandates on sanitation.

 

[Liquid]

a bunch of dumb asses running through the Capitol

Is this what you really think 6th January was? You really just brush it off with those words like it was nothing? Just a bunch of idiots running through the Capitol? Like it wasn't meant to be taken seriously?

 

[Scaff]

How many bakers and blacksmiths lost their jobs for not getting the vax? I served in the Army for four years. Your rights are suspended while you serve.

I said first, not only or last.

Actually reading the link would clearly show that, but that your happy to give an insurrection a free pass. As such it's a bit rich that your lecturing on American values.

 

[TexRex]

What? An atheist can't know the Bible? I have read the entire thing. I was raised as an Evangelical Christian.

It isn't real. It's delusion. Because it's not real--because it's delusion--it's inane as a basis for comparison. "This is similar to that thing that didn't happen."

My mother was a preacher up until the Obama IRS took away her ministry's tax exempt status. It had the word "eagle" in it's name.

I call ********. You've demonstrated a willingness to lie in support of a narrative...as Trumpers do.

This claim is founded upon an allegation that conservative religious groups were subjected to heightened scrutiny based on keywords used in names, but even if the allegation of biased heightened scrutiny was legitimate--and I doubt it was, rather it stinks of conservative victimhood--a name alone wouldn't justify revocation of tax exempt status. Exemption actually may be revoked for a variety of reasons including failure to report, private benefit and political campaigning. A name may have been used as cause to take a closer look, during which sufficient cause for revocation may be found, but it wouldn't have been the cause for revocation.

These are general holes in such a claim as the one you've made, but in the case of your specific claim, I call ******** for nearly all of it. I think you probably have/had a mother, but subsequent claims are less and less credible, all the way down to the brazen, blatant falsehood that a name was cause for revocation. I think you probably heard or read a story but didn't understand it fully and concocted this lie. A more generous explanation is you were lied to and you accepted it uncritically because it worked for you.

 

[Danoff]

What do a bunch of dumb asses running through the Capitol have to do with the Biden administration forcing businesses to become the covid police.

The militant republicans attempting to execute portions of the government on Jan. 6th are part of an authoritarian movement that wishes to stop US elections.

Since when did an un-elected government agency like OSHA get the power to tell companies, they have to fire people? Where are the elected law makers? They should be the ones making that kind of decision.

What other recourse does a company have for an employee that refuses to wear their hard hat? Pay OSHA fines?

Whether or not OSHA should be laying down administrative law is a big question, a question that reaches into all kinds of things like squishy mats for people to stand on, and hard hats on construction sites. But let's not pretend that OSHA doesn't already do a ton of workplace safety regulation.

 

[TexRex]

 

[UKMikey]

I wonder whether he has rolls of US Constitution-printed toilet roll at home.

 

[McLaren]

I wonder whether he has rolls of US Constitution-printed toilet roll at home.

I wouldn’t think so bc he might end up actually reading it for once.

 

[TexRex]

Also...skidmarks.

 

[Biggles]

It's crazy how everything in the US has becoming so politicized. I notice that the Fox/Maga crew hate Aaron Rodgers ... because he's an intelligent, articulate, independent-minded football player & therefore (presumably) suspect of Un-Americanism. Of course, the Packers are also the most communist professional sports team in America, so there's that too.

Corrected for recent developments. 180 degree turn. The Fox/Maga crew now love Rodgers because of his just emerged anti-vacc stance, based on the expert advice of his epidemiologist pal Joe Rogan.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

His link goes beyond military service.





Vaccine mandates go even further back. The man you tried to quote, Ben Franklin, even had a say on it.

You quoted this and others

1809: Massachusetts institutes the first vaccine mandate | This law authorized local boards of health to require smallpox vaccinations for those over 21. Other states subsequently passed similar legislation. However, opposition to mandatory vaccination increased as states began to enforce these laws. Vaccine mandates were repealed in California, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Utah, West Virginia, and Wisconsin. In 1905, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the authority of states to enforce vaccine requirements in the landmark case Jacobson v. Massachusetts.

These things you quoted, they are state laws passed by elected officials, not regulations from the unaccountable alphabet bureaucracy.

If the Democrats in congress want to pass a vax mandate, and Biden wanted to sign it, I would be fine with that. In fact I would be happy watching the Dems commit political suicide.

Where are the elected law makers? They should be the ones making that kind of decision.

It isn't real. It's delusion. Because it's not real--because it's delusion--it's inane as a basis for comparison. "This is similar to that thing that didn't happen."

I call ********. You've demonstrated a willingness to lie in support of a narrative...as Trumpers do.

This claim is founded upon an allegation that conservative religious groups were subjected to heightened scrutiny based on keywords used in names, but even if the allegation of biased heightened scrutiny was legitimate--and I doubt it was, rather it stinks of conservative victimhood--a name alone wouldn't justify revocation of tax exempt status. Exemption actually may be revoked for a variety of reasons including failure to report, private benefit and political campaigning. A name may have been used as cause to take a closer look, during which sufficient cause for revocation may be found, but it wouldn't have been the cause for revocation.

These are general holes in such a claim as the one you've made, but in the case of your specific claim, I call ******** for nearly all of it. I think you probably have/had a mother, but subsequent claims are less and less credible, all the way down to the brazen, blatant falsehood that a name was cause for revocation. I think you probably heard or read a story but didn't understand it fully and concocted this lie. A more generous explanation is you were lied to and you accepted it uncritically because it worked for you.

Slander.

 

[McLaren]

You have completely missed the point by focusing on one thing and missing the rest that disprove your initial claim. Vaccine mandates are not some new idea that is “un-American”.

 

[TexRex]

Slander.

1. Slander is spoken defamation of character. The word you're looking for is libel.

2. For it to be defamation, the statement has to be known to be false. Defamation also requires a false statement of fact. Opinion doesn't suffice. If you again look over what I wrote, you'll notice that I repeatedly stated what I think to be the case.

You're out of your depth.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

You have completely missed the point by focusing on one thing and missing the rest that disprove your initial claim. Vaccine mandates are not some new idea that is “un-American”.

No, that is exactly my point.

...never in my life seen anything more authoritarian than this vaccine mandate.

This is so un-American...

I have to wear a seatbelt because in 1985 the duly elected Texas legislature passed a law saying so.

I didn't live here at the time so I don't know what, if any, political consequences they faced come election day. But they passed that law, they didn't pass it off to TxDOT for some regulation.

If the Dems want this mandate they need to own it, and not hide behind OSHA.

 

[McLaren]

No, that is exactly my point.

You're trying to play semantics and somehow, you're still wrong.

This vaccine is in no way, any more authoritarian than what's been done in the past.

1770s- early 1780s - mandatory isolation and hospitalizations for anybody symptomatic.
1793 - Benjamin Rush and James Monroe assist in enacting quarantining refugees from Philadelphia. Those breaking quarantine are jailed with assistance of citizen patrols, particularly in New York, Baltimore, and Norfolk. Havre de Grace sinks anybody crossing the river into Maryland.