America - The Official Thread

[Danoff]

"do you think the country would be better if the other side didn't exist?"

Exactly what do you mean by this? Do I think the country would be better if people weren't calling for an end of democracy, the suspension of rights (especially free speech)? Yes. Yes I do, and I don't think that should be a particularly controversial thing to say. Do I think those people should be rounded up and executed? No. I haven't listened to Biden's speech, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say I don't think he called for that.

I do not believe, even for a moment, that people who are calling for an end to democracy, free speech, etc. are strengthening the country in any fashion. Sometimes differing opinions can strengthen the group, and help people to question themselves and come up with a more intelligent and thoughtful path. This is not one of those times. Authoritarianism, insurrection, attacks on voting, attacks on freedom... it's not helping make the country "better".

 

[Yard_Sale]

Exactly what do you mean by this? Do I think the country would be better if people weren't calling for an end of democracy, the suspension of rights (especially free speech)? Yes. Yes I do, and I don't think that should be a particularly controversial thing to say. Do I think those people should be rounded up and executed? No. I haven't listened to Biden's speech, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say I don't think he called for that.

I do not believe, even for a moment, that people who are calling for an end to democracy, free speech, etc. are strengthening the country in any fashion. Sometimes differing opinions can strengthen the group, and help people to question themselves and come up with a more intelligent and thoughtful path. This is not one of those times. Authoritarianism, insurrection, attacks on voting, attacks on freedom... it's not helping make the country "better".

I meant if conservatism or liberalism didn’t exist.

Everything you mentioned on what conservatives stand for, Thats exactly what Fox News says about liberals.

Red Meat for each sides constituencies.

 

[Danoff]

I meant if conservatism or liberalism didn’t exist.

Everything you mentioned on what conservatives stand for, Thats exactly what Fox News says about liberals.

Red Meat for each sides constituencies.

On January 6th 2021, Donald Trump attempted an insurrection to prevent the peaceful transfer of power in this country. He said he was going to do it, he was impeached twice along the same lines leading up to it, and ultimately he played his hand. It was the first time it had ever occurred in our nation's history. I don't give two shakes about what Fox News says about Liberals. There is a group, right now, who is actually doing what I'm talking about. Put your feet on the ground.

It's not about conservative/liberal, it's about authoritarianism vs. democracy.

 

[Yard_Sale]

On January 6th 2021, Donald Trump attempted an insurrection to prevent the peaceful transfer of power in this country. It was the first time it had ever occurred in our nation's history. I don't give two shakes about what Fox News says about Liberals. There is a group, right now, who is actually doing what I'm talking about. Put your feet on the ground.

A very small sub-set. Yes

 

[Danoff]

A very small sub-set. Yes

...that's who Biden (and all of the rest of us) is talking about.

Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front. Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans.

 

[Yard_Sale]

...that's who Biden (and all of the rest of us) is talking about.

It’s a play on words. Much like when Republican politicians and pundits put a blanket label on anyone who is a democrat, being “new green deal” democrats.

Although I don’t agree with everything Maga, I would consider myself to be more Maga, then New Green deal type… if we’re putting it down to only two choices in a national election. Doesn’t make me a bad person. Just like it doesn’t make someone who voted for Biden automatically an ultra progressive “new green deal” supporter.

 

[Danoff]

It’s a play on words. Much like when Republican politicians and pundits put a blanket label on democrats being “new green deal” democrats.

Although the don’t agree with everything Maga, I would consider myself to be more Maga, then New Green deal type… if we’re putting it down to only two choices in a national election. Doesn’t make me a bad person. Just like it doesn’t make someone who voted for Biden automatically an ultra progressive “new green deal” supporter.

He says it's "not even the majority of republicans". It's not a play on words, it's not bad faith. Take a breath and realize that if you're not trying to overturn democracy, deny the election, or dissolve the US election system, he's not talking about you. If you're ready to vote for Trump... yea, he's talking about you.

 

[Scaff]

That's actually a fair argument to make.

I researched it a while back. Admittedly it was more from the United States side of things, but I remember it not exactly being a cake walk for europeans either. 14% sounds like a big number, except that Sweden isn't a large country, so.....

If your European and within the EU (so pretty much everyone but the UK) you just move there. That's it, it literally is a cake walk.

14% is over 1 in 10, that massive for almost any population, regardless of size.

Pretty much all of my morning radio shows I listen to are conservative-based. Being that talk radio is largely dominated by conservatives, and I am a conservative. But I'm smart enough to not take anything anyone says as the gospel. But when I'm in front of a TV or computer, I consume all media outlets. It does take effort to try to stay as balanced as I can, which is why I get how people tend to just go heavy on one side or the other.

So as I said, not all, but what you listen to.

Small groups of each sides are threats. The vast majority of Americans on both sides, while they might be opinionated, aren't threats to America or each other, despite what red meat both sides dangle in front of their constituents. To think otherwise, means you're in too deep.

it really doesnt, the GOP has sitting members in both houses who either supported or ignored an insurection. The two sides are not the same.

And no, of course I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE INSURECTION. Most Americans on both sides of the isle were horrified. I didn't agree with the gas-lighted nationwide riots before that as well. Most left of center dems didn't either. The temperature is just waaaay to hot in this country right now. unfortunately, its by design.

False equivalents are false.

A litmus test that I've always given my hardcore Republican and liberal friends is; "do you think the country would be better if the other side didn't exist?"


If the answer is "yes". They're into deep and lack perspective....

OK...

 

[Scaff]

A very small sub-set. Yes

Led by the president of the US at the time!

 

[McLaren]

So I see we’re at the “both sides”/enlightened centrism silliness now.

 

[TexRex]

I meant if conservatism or liberalism didn’t exist.

Conservatism doesn't exist in the absence of liberalism. Conservatism is a reaction to liberalism.

Liberalism exists in the absence of conservatism. Liberalism is a reaction to the absence of liberty and equality before the law.

This dynamic is no better represented than by conservative opposition to liberal abolition of slavery. More recently, prohibition of abortion and the disproportionate weighting of rights represents this dynamic.

 

[Populuxe]

Sweden has gotten the closest, but I wouldn't even really consider that Socialism. [snip] Sweden works mainly because there aren't a whole lot of poor people

Sweden is one of the most socialist countries on Earth. Sweden has very little poverty. Why is there so little poverty in Sweden? Maybe because of all the socialism?

 

[Blitz24]

[Sweden is one of the most socialist countries on Earth. Sweden has very little poverty. Why is there so little poverty in Sweden? Maybe because of all the socialism?

Or because of more Ikeas, Volvos and meatballs. One of the two though.

 

[UKMikey]

Or because of more Ikeas, Volvos and meatballs. One of the two though.

You forgot AᗺBA... at one time they were the country's biggest non-auto export and they're still bringing in plenty of kronas.

 

[Tornado]

Thats exactly what Fox News says about liberals.

How many liberals killed Capitol police officers on January 6th while attempting ultimately to subdue and murder US Congressmen to prevent them from doing something that wasn't anything but a formality to begin with because Biden goaded them into a frenzy about election theft literally minutes prior just down the street? How many liberals plotted to kidnap state governors in response to things Biden said about their policies, and did Biden later blame said governors and call for them to be jailed for being the target of a kidnapping plot?







This isn't hard. There are two sides to this. For one of them it doesn't really matter what they believe or what political party they vote for or what their opinion is on identity politics or welfare or taxation or affirmative action or prayer in school or Critical Race Theory or gun control or abortion. The other side is filled with what are ultimately stupid people; whipped up by a person famous for several decades for being an idiot that they were fools enough to think cares about them into believing nonsense that was obviously false even before it was repeatedly proven demonstrably false for an entire year and a half following the election he lost by a humongous margin; and not caring at all who they have to subjugate in the process when it comes to ending any democratic process they don't agree with the outcome over just like the person they MAGA over does. If someone was offended by what Biden said, they are the ones he was talking about and they are in that second side. If someone was offended by what Biden said and they feel super enraged to do something about it, they are perfectly free to go to their nearest FBI branch where the huge political frame-up job against their fearless leader is supposedly happening and reach into their jacket really fast to pull their phone out to record it.

 

[Populuxe]

 

[Joey D]

Doesn’t make me a bad person.

It depends. If you just support conservative ideals then, no it doesn't make you a bad person. If you don't support democracy and support the authoritarian aspect of MAGA, then yes, it does make you a bad person and frankly, un-American.

I'm perfectly fine with people being conservative. I believe in a whole slew of conservative ideals however those ideals stop when it gets to the point of being authoritarian or fascist.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

(do unmute, but also do so quietly)

This isn't the meme thread.

 

[Danoff]

redacted

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I think we're quickly approaching the point where the charade is dropped and the word "democracy" is regarded as elitist, woke, liberal, and worst of all...wimpy (There's a more accurate word choice but I won't use it here) for the MAGA brigade.

 

[McLaren]

Dementia Donnie, ya'll.

"Last week, the weirdo — he’s a weirdo — Mark Zuckerberg came to the White House, kissed my ass all night," said the president

He then went on, mimicking Mr Zuckerberg: "’Sir, I’d love to have dinner, sir. I’d love to have dinner. I’d love to bring my lovely wife.’ All right, Mark, come on in. ‘Sir, you’re number one on Facebook. I’d like to congratulate you.’ Thank you very much, Mark. I appreciate it."

The strange story appeared to recall Mr Trump’s memory of a 2019 dinner that Mr Zuckerberg and fellow tech billionaire Peter Thiel, known for his bankrolling of right-wing candidates, attended at the White House.

It’s unclear why Mr Trump thought the long-past dinner had occurred “last week”, or whether Mr Zuckerberg had indeed lavished compliments on the president. The Independent has reached out to Meta for comment on that matter.

It’s even more bizarre that the president would suggest that the CEO of Facebook told him that he is currently “number one” on the platform, given that he’s been banned since early 2021.

Trump said ‘weirdo’ Zuckerberg joined him at the White House for dinner ‘last week’

The former president shared the bizarre anecdote during his Saturday rally in Pennsylvania

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Liquid]

Once again, for someone who claims to have never had alcohol he sure talks like a drunk.

 

[TB]

Once again, for someone who claims to have never had alcohol he sure talks like a drunk.

He might be like the Jewish doctor that my mom worked for in the late '70's, early '80's.

He went into a butcher shop, pointed at the pork chops and said that he wanted a pound of that beef.

The butcher said that it was pork.

The doctor pointed at the pork and repeated that he wanted that BEEF.

Any lie you need to tell yourself, I guess.

 

[Blitz24]

He might be like the Jewish doctor that my mom worked for in the late '70's, early '80's.

He went into a butcher shop, pointed at the pork chops and said that he wanted a pound of that beef.

The butcher said that it was pork.

The doctor pointed at the pork and repeated that he wanted that BEEF.

Any lie you need to tell yourself, I guess.

Hey, it's kosher if you just call it beef!

 

[UKMikey]

He might be like the Jewish doctor that my mom worked for in the late '70's, early '80's.

He went into a butcher shop, pointed at the pork chops and said that he wanted a pound of that beef.

The butcher said that it was pork.

The doctor pointed at the pork and repeated that he wanted that BEEF.

Any lie you need to tell yourself, I guess.

An elderly Jewish man lives in an apartment building in an otherwise Catholic neighborhood where all adhere to the restriction of eating only fish on Fridays. Every Friday afternoon, however, the Jew bakes chicken for his Shabbos meal.

The tantalizing aroma week after week is too much for his Catholic neighbors. They convince the local priest to deliver an ultimatum to the Jew: either he convert to Catholicism and eat only fish on Fridays, or he has to move. The Jew agrees to convert. Three times the priest sprinkles holy water on him declaring: "Born a Jew, raised a Jew, now a Catholic."

The ex-Jew's first Friday night as a Catholic comes around -- and the perfume of baking chicken wafts through the neighborhood. A neighborhood mob charges into the old man's apartment demanding: "What's with the chicken? You're a Catholic now!"

He says, pointing to the roaster on the table, "That's no chicken; that's a fish."

"Who are you kidding!" they protest. "It's a chicken!"

The ex-Jew walks over to the sink, wets his hands, approaches the table and sprinkles the chicken three times, saying, "Born a chicken, raised a chicken, now a fish."

 

[TB]

 

[Blitz24]

Is the special master going to be a neutral 3rd party or could the individual essentially do Trump's bidding and sell/destroy the documents he doesn't want the DoJ to see?

 

[Spacegoat]

 

[EngieDiesel]

Maybe he just swiped a box of empty ones from the supply closet on the way out. I mean, stealing office supplies is just a perk of any job, right?

 

[TexRex]

Oz says he would have certified Biden’s win over Trump

Mehmet Oz, the celebrity physician and Trump-backed Republican Senate nominee in Pennsylvania, said on Tuesday that he would have voted to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election had …

thehill.com

Gosh, that's awkward. Trump literally just stumped for Oz in Pennsylvania.

Is it too much to ask for a completely unhinged ****fit from the fat bitch over this? I cleaned my room and ate my veggies.