America - The Official Thread

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Blooming heck.


Meanwhile, in reality...

§2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally​

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101–510, div. A, title V, §552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
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In the "but, Biiiden..." department:

 
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Joey D
Trump is going to get so much money off this it's going to be unconscionable
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Grifters will grift.

After announcing his indictment on his social media platform, emailed a statement at 7:41 pm. It took him only two more minutes, until 7:43 pm, to start using the indictment to raise money from supporters.
 
SGETI
Grifters will grift.

After announcing his indictment on his social media platform, emailed a statement at 7:41 pm. It took him only two more minutes, until 7:43 pm, to start using the indictment to raise money from supporters.
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Help pay my legal fees to make America great again!
 
www.bbc.com

What's in the Trump indictment: US nuclear secrets and files kept in shower

Donald Trump is accused of keeping classified documents in a ballroom and bathroom at his Florida home.
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Prosecutors say Mr Trump tried to obstruct the FBI inquiry into the missing documents by suggesting that his lawyer "hide or destroy" them, or tell investigators he did not have them.

"Wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here?" Mr Trump said to one of his attorneys, according to the indictment.

(...)

Shortly before the Department of Justice made the criminal charges public, two of Mr Trump's lawyers suddenly quit the case without much explanation, saying this was a "logical moment" to resign.
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His lawyers quit because they're not needed when the case is going before the same partisan hack judge who went so far as to file Trump's motion for him to block the DoJ when they were doing the initial investigation.
 
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His lawyers quit because they're not needed when the case is going before the same partisan hack judge who went so far as to file Trump's motion for him to block the DoJ when they were doing the initial investigation.
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Yeah, Trump won the judge lottery. This hack will do as he's told and rule against the DOJ. Then it will get appealed for the utterly bananas reasoning used by the judge to rule in Trump's favor. Hopefully then it will go before a much better qualified judge.
 
For the Democrats sake, they better hope that they win the election next year else all of this will be moot. I can only rationalize that Christie will refuse to pardon Trump out of the Republicans.
 
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The Presidential Records Act was passed in response to Nixon attempting to destroy records pertaining to his presidency once it ended. The PRA established ownership of presidential records as public, to be controlled by the federal government through NARA, rather than private, as by the former officeholder.

The PRA doesn't codify an entitlement. The PRA codifies a constraint.

Trumpism, man.
 
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The Presidential Records Act was passed in response to Nixon attempting to destroy records pertaining to his presidency once it ended. The PRA established ownership of presidential records as public, to be controlled by the federal government through NARA, rather than private, as by the former officeholder.

The PRA doesn't codify an entitlement. The PRA codifies a constraint.

Trumpism, man.
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Hey, I was class president once. Does that mean I can also have them?
 
Trump seems to have said the quiet part loud yesterday at a rally in Greensboro, NC. On woke-ness, he says,

"This critical race theory, transgender insanity, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, and political content on our children. It's amazing how strongly people feel about that. I talk about cutting taxes and no one cares. But I talk about transgender and everyone goes crazy! Who would have thought, 5 years ago no one knew what the hell it was!"

This is eerily similar to the infamous quote from George Wallace, the longstanding segregationist Alabama governor and known as one of the most shamelessly racist politicians of the 20th century: "You know, I tried to talk about the good roads and good schools and all these things that have been a part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about Negroes, and everyone stomped the floor".

Both Trump and Wallace were perceived as party outsiders who co-opted a more populist rhetoric, uniting the working man against a so-called common enemy. This is the inevitable result of a political movement that caters to the lowest-common-denominator reactionary sentiment. The very fulfillment of Andrew Breitbart's famed quote that "politics is downstream from culture". "Real politics", as in talking about economic issues, or really anything related to an explicit policy, is often complicated, nuanced, and not always immediately understandable to the voter, especially an electorate more likely to be lowly educated like 1960s Alabamans and today's Trump loyalists. But what really gets to people is what does not require any intellectual response, rather an intuitive one, appealing against perceived "degeneracy": Black folks in Jim Crow Alabama and "wokeness" today (so still Black folks, by proxy). And the entire Republican modus operandi, with Trump at the forefront, have cultivated a movement in large part based on exploiting this weakness. I have very little else to say that this is just blatant fascism, and that the American right could only go downward from here.
 
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As an architect, I'm honestly most offended by the interior design of Mar A Lago. Baroque is fine, I guess, but at least do it well. Mar A Lago is like home depot Baroque plastered on top of the already weird mishmash of Spanish colonial revival, Moorish, and Mediterranean (why?) architecture.
 
If Trump goes down for literally showing off, it will be the most fitting ending I can think of. He didn't declassify them because he was lazy, he didn't want to declassify them because then they wouldn't be special anymore, anyone could get access to them, presumably, via FOIA. No, no, he specifically wanted to have something nobody else could have. Donald Trump is one of the most broken humans I can think of, driven entirely by this phantom need to impress his dad but never achieving it even in his own head. I almost feel bad for the guy.
 
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Isn't this like his first impeachment trial where he admitted doing what he was accused of? You just hope that he doesn't get a hack bench (I'm told the judge is a Trump appointment) like the hack Senate in which he was acquitted.
 
Liquid
Isn't this like his first impeachment trial where he admitted doing what he was accused of? You just hope that he doesn't get a hack bench (I'm told the judge is a Trump appointment) like the hack Senate in which he was acquitted.
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Yes, there is no question about whether or not he is guilty. The entire world knows he did exactly what he is accused of. The only question now is one of justice. Like the impeachments, a big portion of America would like for justice simply not to be done - regardless of the consequences to the principles and institutions the country runs on.

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The same is true of attempted tampering with election results. The question is not whether he did it, or whether it is illegal. The question is whether justice gets done.
 
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Mike Pence hedges spectacularly

"Two things can be true at once," he said, explaining that while he will not defend the "serious" charges against Trump, it "doesn't change the fact that tens of millions of Americans have a sense of a two-tiered system of justice."
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Pence achieves some pretty impressive mental gymnastics here. Which is it Mike? Trump is being subject to political persecution or the allegations against Trump are quite severe and legitimate? They really can't be true at once.
 
Liquid
Isn't this like his first impeachment trial where he admitted doing what he was accused of? You just hope that he doesn't get a hack bench (I'm told the judge is a Trump appointment) like the hack Senate in which he was acquitted.
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Yes, but to my understanding, that judge already got reamed by the Eleventh Circuit for basically siding with Trump, knowing he wasn't meeting the legal requirements for his requests to be granted during her first case with him & forced her to dismiss the case.

She is going to be under a very heavy watch this time for already playing favoritism which, as I've heard, will make it easier for Jack Smith to appeal any of her decisions since she'll have a track record.
 
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Mike Pence hedges spectacularly



Pence achieves some pretty impressive mental gymnastics here. Which is it Mike? Trump is being subject to political persecution or the allegations against Trump are quite severe and legitimate? They really can't be true at once.
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Cool story Mike remember when that asshole left you to die among the rioters that he personally set after you specifically?
 

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