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We did elect a few... Their names are Mike Lee and Ted Cruz. Soon we can add Dave Brat to the list, I hope.

EDIT: Forgot to add Rand Paul to the list.
Ted Cruz: Opposes drug legalization and gay marriage. Supports growing the military.

Mike Lee: Opposes gay marriage. Thought a mosque "near" the WTC was offensive and should be stopped. Wants military in Iran.

Rand Paul plays the politics game a bit too well for my comfort. He leaves vague statements or doesn't clarify. Sometimes he says stuff that I'm not sure I agree with, but then votes the way I want. He has so far done everything right, but the way he can play the politics game scares me.
 
Ted Cruz: Opposes drug legalization and gay marriage. Supports growing the military.

Mike Lee: Opposes gay marriage. Thought a mosque "near" the WTC was offensive and should be stopped. Wants military in Iran.

Rand Paul plays the politics game a bit too well for my comfort. He leaves vague statements or doesn't clarify. Sometimes he says stuff that I'm not sure I agree with, but then votes the way I want. He has so far done everything right, but the way he can play the politics game scares me.

Does the apple drop far from the tree? Rand knows his father played the game straight, open, honest and fair. And he lost. Nice guys come in last. The art of politics is never to give away the game.
 
Rand Paul plays the politics game a bit too well for my comfort. He leaves vague statements or doesn't clarify. Sometimes he says stuff that I'm not sure I agree with, but then votes the way I want. He has so far done everything right, but the way he can play the politics game scares me.
It's potentially scary because he's good at the game. Anybody that's good at the game can twist it in their favor.

But let's face it. He's Ron Paul's kid! He's smarter than every single person in that building and he's trying a different strategy than his dad in order to gain a position of serious visibility and influence. Ron's strategy was passionate and almost worked but pretty much everybody who didn't vote for him drew a line and called him crazy. Rand could potentially grab all those votes which already gives him a majority, much less some libertarians who know he's playing the game really smart-like.

And what happens when President Rand appoints his dad as Secretary of State or something? That's man is going to live to be 100 so he might as well.
 
There are some corrupt things here in America, but damn I love this country we're so lucky to live in. Freedom - do what you want; for better, or for worse. There are so many great things here. I wouldn't rather live anywhere else. God Bless America!!! :cheers: 👍 :bowdown: :D
 
There are some corrupt things here in America, but damn I love this country we're so lucky to live in. Freedom - do what you want; for better, or for worse. There are so many great things here. I wouldn't rather live anywhere else. God Bless America!!! :cheers: 👍 :bowdown: :D
It is possible to love your country but hate your government.
 
"Australia is a lucky country, run by second-rate people who share its luck." - From the book The Lucky Country released in 1964, written by Donald Horne.

Our two country's people share the same luck. We had such a head start that whole generations of ineptitude can and will pass, and we'll still not be behind the others.
 
I think we can officially say that the government in the US is acting more like parents with guns than representatives of the people.

http://thecompletepatient.com/article/2014/july/22/michigan-food-dump-meant-send-us-all-message

MICHIGAN FOOD DUMP MEANT TO SEND US ALL A MESSAGE
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by:David GumpertTue, 07/22/2014

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Raw milk from My Family Co-Op being poured into a sprayer at Hill High Dairy, the farm that produced the food.

The government-sponsored dump of nearly $5,000 of milk, eggs, butter, and cream from Michigan's My Family Co-Op yesterday carried a very clear and powerful political message to all Americans: We control your food and we don’t like you buying your food outside the corporate food system. Every now and then, we are going to remind you of what bad children you are being by taking your food and throwing it in the garbage. In fact, we are going to do more than remind you, we are going to completely humiliate you by preventing you from even feeding it to farm animals and instead forcing it to be disposed of in a landfill or dumpster.

(For more photos and a brief video of the food dump that took place see the Facebook Page of Hill High Dairy LLC, the producer of the food.)

It’s the same message that was communicated in Minnesota when the regulators seized food from Michael Hartmann and Alvin Schlangen in 2011. And in California in 2010 and 2011, when the regulators twice took food from Rawesome Food Club. And in Wisconsin in 2010 when the regulators threw blue dye into Vernon Hershberger’s raw milk. And in Florida in 2012, when regulators confiscated $45,000 worth of food going to half a dozen food clubs in that state (described in Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Food Rights), and forced the farmers who produced it to pay $2,000 in dumping fees to have it thrown in a landfill. And in Oregon in 2011 when the U.S. Food and Drug Administration sought personal legal penalties against Kelli and Anthony Estrella of Estrella Family Creamery for the high crime of feeding condemned cheese to farm animals, as if to say, the humiliation must be complete. And the message first communicated in Michigan in 2006 when the state confiscated and disposed of $8,000 of raw milk from farmer Richard Hebron (and forced him as well to pay a $1,000 fine).

If you think I am exaggerating the intent of what is going on here, ask yourself this question: When was the last time you saw government agents seize and condemn food from a place like Foster Farms or Taco Bell or Del Monte or Kellogg’s or Trade Joe’s when their food has been found to contain pathogens, or made people sick? There’s been not even a suggestion that food at My Family Co-Op contained pathogens or made anyone sick.

There were all kinds of other ways for the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development to have handled any problems they saw with My Family Co-Op. They could have warned Jenny Samuelson, the co-op’s owner that she was possibly violating a 2013 policy statement on herdshares. They could have given her a citation, listed the charges against her, held a hearing where she and the owners of the food could have attempted to answer the charges, and then levied a fine if she was found to be in violation. (Actually, the fine and such can still happen, since the seizure order placed on the food last week carries possible penalties, at the MDARD’s discretion.)

But those kinds of civilized steps would have forced the state to be businesslike and law-abiding. Collective punishment isn’t about being businesslike and law-abiding. It isn’t about presenting charges and letting the accused respond. It is about brute force and complete control. It is about sending a message about who is in charge, and what happens if you cut into corporate profits.

The big problem with collective punishment is that, while it may deal with the immediate problem at hand (an unwanted competitor), longer term it breeds alienation among the people who are being penalized and humiliated. I naively thought that possibly such actions were being curtailed or eliminated as officials got the message that it is dangerous to mess with such fundamental rights as the right to obtain food from farm animals you have ownership of.

We can expect more such examples of collective punishment. Dean Foods and its henchmen are losing big bucks in the precipitous decline of pasteurized milk sales. (Dean Foods is understood to control as much as 90% of the milk market in Michigan.) Like the Mafia, oligarchs don’t take well to losing money. Their modus operandi is control and bullying, so they don’t take the customary business steps of trying to find ways to compete. No, they pay big money to the politicians who control the hacks at places like the MDARD, and they demand action. Yesterday, they got it.
 
I suddenly feel saved from myself. :lol:

I honestly think we just need to do what we feel is right and simply ignore this sort of government nonsense. If every car on the expressway went 80mph I seriously doubt the cops could pull everyone over for a ticket.

A sad story all the same and I often wonder how many people actually like having their hand held for any and all reasons.(personal responsibilities people ;) )
 
I honestly think we just need to do what we feel is right and simply ignore this sort of government nonsense. If every car on the expressway went 80mph I seriously doubt the cops could pull everyone over for a ticket.
This is amusingly relevant considering the article was about a co-op in Michigan. But you'd need to add another 10mph.
 
Some people need to learn how to use a dictionary. Ironic this was from a language school, of all things. Brings to mind the people who have been fired and/or disciplined for (properly) using the word "niggardly". Said word is not a racial slur, despite the fact it sounds something like a well-known one. Like this "homophone" thing.

Unfortunately, while "stingy" or "miserly" can be used in place of "niggardly", there is no close synonym for "homophone" that I know of.
 
Just borrow a bit of Spanish pronunciation and invent a homophobe-friendly homophone for homophone -- jomofone.
 
Just picture the perfect Ocean's Eleven.

[Gives a few moments]

Okay, the Golden Nugget in Atlantic City was taken for a ride to the tune of $1.5 Million in April of 2012 when 14 baccarat players noticed a peculiar pattern with their $10 minimum bet game. It appears that the casino didn't shuffle the decks that they were using at that table. Taking advantage of the situation, the gamblers raised the bets to $5,000 a hand.

Now the casino doesn't want to pay up, and is suing the 14 players for the $500,000 that they already paid them and to declare the game illegal under New Jersey state gambling regulations.

In June, Judge James Isman declared the game illegal under state guidelines, and the casino didn't have to pay.

Isman recently retired, and on July 25th, a reconsideration motion was granted by Allen Littlefield to allow the gamblers to continue their discovery process, a process that includes disposing state gambling regulators.
 
A few stories have caught my eye this week.

First, how do you stop abusive police and make sure they are held accountable? Have the EMTs working for the fire department report them. Suddenly the issue is no longer victim vs officer. It is first respnder vs emergency responder.it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ers-beat-handcuffed-patient-article-1.1891706
Two FDNY EMTs who had to intervene to stop four police officers beating a handcuffed patient on a stretcher have turned the cops in to authorities, the Daily News has learned.

The emotionally disturbed patient was punched multiple times in the face by the cops on July 20, according to FDNY documents obtained by The News. The cops only stopped when the EMTs bodily intervened, the report said.


Next, remember the Bundy Ranch standoff with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM)? It looks like the BLM is working hard at making everyone mad in the western states, including local law enforcement.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-blm-critics-20140805-story.html

James Perkins sees the federal Bureau of Land Management more as a belligerent occupying army than a government agency serving U.S. citizens, including those like him in south-central Utah.

Perkins is the sheriff of Garfield County, a rural bastion the size of Connecticut with only 5,500 residents, where 90% of the land is maintained by the BLM. The relationship between local law enforcement and often heavily armed federal officers has always been tense, and now threatens to reach a breaking point.

He and others attribute the deteriorating relations to what he calls BLM's culture of elitism, which provoked Garfield County to join two other Utah counties this year to pass a resolution restricting or banning federal law enforcement within their borders.

"I don't know any sheriff who doesn't want a good relationship with the BLM," he said. "We're a rural agency and we'd like a partnership, but it seems they have a hard time recognizing our authority. They'd rather be independent."

The BLM has faced a string of challenges. In April, it called off a cattle roundup after rebellious Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy was backed by an armed citizen militia that stood its ground with semiautomatic weapons. The BLM looked, in turns, overzealous and ineffectual.

Then, in May, citizens of rural San Juan County in Utah staged a protest, driving all-terrain vehicles into a canyon the BLM had closed to such traffic.

BLM officials say they're trying to manage a mammoth swath of the West as best they can while seeking common ground with local authorities. In some of those states, though, BLM workers have felt so threatened that they patrol in unmarked vehicles, without uniforms.

Perkins and others recently addressed a House public lands subcommittee that was collecting testimony about concerns over the BLM, including claims about bullying ranchers and refusing to respond to emergency calls.

They didn't mince words.

"Over the past decade or so we have observed and experienced a militarization of BLM's officers," said Leland Pollack, a Garfield County commissioner. "Right or wrong, some equate BLM's law enforcement operations to the Gestapo of the World War II era."

BLM officials in Washington call the claims "vague and inaccurate."

"The agency is not elitist," said Bob Abbey, who led the BLM from 2009 until 2012. "Everything the BLM does is based on public input or a direction from the courts, so it's frustrating to hear criticism like this. The way I see it, we have much more in common with local law enforcement than differences, but we've allowed those differences to block pursuing common goals."

Perkins testified that he has a good working relationship with other federal agencies such as the FBI and National Park Service, but not the BLM. In recent months, he said, the BLM has refused to renew law enforcement contracts with several Utah counties, citing legal deficiencies.

In an interview, he described an incident this year in which a county detective was investigating whether a BLM officer had failed to report a traffic accident, as required by law.

"I was told by the chief of BLM law enforcement in Utah that we had no right to investigate one of his officers and that the matter should have been turned over to their internal affairs division," Perkins said. "When I'm told by the federal government that I don't have the authority to investigate crimes in my county, well, that's just troublesome to me."



And finally, the Rutherford. Institute has an interesting commentary on the growing American Police State. We are all criminals. It points out something that I see becoming a disturbing trend. The privatization and business behind law enforcement. Prisons are businesses, courts make money by having many trials, and local enforcement agencies are paid based on how many arrests they make. See, government is privatizing the things they should be in charge of, like prisons, while taking control of things they should leave to the people to decide, like what to eat and drink, weighing the risks/benefits of medicine side effects, how to use our private property, who to marry, etc.

Anyway, here is the commentary.
https://www.rutherford.org/publicat...laws_in_the_eyes_of_the_american_police_state

We’re All Criminals and Outlaws in the Eyes of the American Police State

By John W. Whitehead
August 04, 2014
“Never in the civilised world have so many been locked up for so little.”—“Rough Justice in America,” The Economist

Why are we seeing such an uptick in Americans being arrested for such absurd “violations” as letting their kids play at a park unsupervised, collecting rainwater and snow runoff on their own property, growing vegetables in their yard, and holding Bible studies in their living room?

Mind you, we’re not talking tickets or fines or even warnings being issued to these so-called “lawbreakers.” We’re talking felony charges, handcuffs, police cars, mug shots, pat downs, jail cells and criminal records.

Consider what happened to Nicole Gainey, the Florida mom who was arrested and charged with child neglect for allowing her 7-year-old son to visit a neighborhood playground located a half mile from their house.

For the so-called “crime” of allowing her son to play at the park unsupervised, Gainey was interrogated, arrested and handcuffed in front of her son, and transported to the local jail where she was physically searched, fingerprinted, photographed and held for seven hours and then forced to pay almost $4000 in bond in order to return to her family. Gainey’s family and friends were subsequently questioned by the Dept. of Child Services. Gainey now faces a third-degree criminal felony charge that carries with it a fine of up to $5,000 and 5 years in jail.

For Denise Stewart, just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, whether or not she had done anything wrong, was sufficient to get her arrested.

The 48-year-old New York grandmother was dragged half-naked out of her apartment and handcuffed after police mistakenly raided her home when responding to a domestic disturbance call. Although it turns out the 911 call came from a different apartment on a different floor, Stewart is still facing charges of assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.

And then there are those equally unfortunate individuals who unknowingly break laws they never even knew existed. John Yates is such a person. A commercial fisherman, Yates was sentenced to 30 days in prison and three years of supervised release for throwing back into the water some small fish which did not meet the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission’s size restrictions. Incredibly, Yates was charged with violating a document shredding provision of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, which was intended to prevent another Enron scandal.

The list of individuals who have suffered similar injustices at the hands of a runaway legal system is growing, ranging from the orchid grower jailed for improper paperwork and the lobstermen charged with importing lobster tails in plastic bags rather than cardboard boxes to the former science teacher labeled a federal criminal for digging for arrowheads in his favorite campsite.

As awful as these incidents are, however, it’s not enough to simply write them off as part of the national trend towards overcriminalization—although it is certainly that. Thanks to an overabundance of 4500-plus federal crimes and 400,000 plus rules and regulations, it’s estimated that the average American actually commits three felonies a day without knowing it.

Nor can we just chalk them up as yet another symptom of an overzealous police state in which militarized police attack first and ask questions later—although it is that, too.

Nor is the problem that we’re a crime-ridden society. In fact, it’s just the opposite. The number of violent crimes in the country is down substantially, the lowest rate in 40 years, while the number of Americans being jailed for nonviolent crimes, such as driving with a suspended license, are skyrocketing.

So what’s really behind this drive to label Americans as criminals?

As with most things, if you want to know the real motives behind any government program, follow the money trail. When you dig down far enough, as I document in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, you quickly find that those who profit from Americans being arrested are none other than the police who arrest them, the courts which try them, the prisons which incarcerate them, and the corporations, which manufacture the weapons and equipment used by police, build and run the prisons, and profit from the cheap prison labor.

Talk about a financial incentive.

First, there’s the whole make-work scheme. In the absence of crime, in order to keep the police and their related agencies employed, occupied, and utilizing the many militarized “toys” passed along by the Department of Homeland Security, one must invent new crimes—overcriminalization—and new criminals to be spied on, targeted, tracked, raided, arrested, prosecuted and jailed. Enter the police state.

Second, there’s the profit-incentive for states to lock up large numbers of Americans in private prisons. Just as police departments have quotas for how many tickets are issued and arrests made per month—a number tied directly to revenue—states now have quotas to meet for how many Americans go to jail. Having outsourced their inmate population to private prisons run by corporations such as Corrections Corp of America and the GEO Group, ostensibly as a way to save money, increasing numbers of states have contracted to keep their prisons at 90% to 100% capacity. This profit-driven form of mass punishment has, in turn, given rise to a $70 billion private prison industry that relies on the complicity of state governments to keep the money flowing and their privately run prisons full. No wonder the United States has the largest prison population in the world.

But what do you do when you’ve contracted to keep your prisons full but crime rates are falling? Easy. You create new categories of crime and render otherwise law-abiding Americans criminals. Notice how we keep coming full circle back to the point where it’s average Americans like you and me being targeted and turned into enemies of the state?

That brings me to the third factor contributing to Americans being arrested, charged with outrageous “crimes,” and jailed: the Corporate State’s need for profit and cheap labor. Not content to just lock up millions of people, corporations have also turned prisoners into forced laborers.

According to professors Steve Fraser and Joshua B. Freeman, “All told, nearly a million prisoners are now making office furniture, working in call centers, fabricating body armor, taking hotel reservations, working in slaughterhouses, or manufacturing textiles, shoes, and clothing, while getting paid somewhere between 93 cents and $4.73 per day.” Tens of thousands of inmates in U.S. prisons are making all sorts of products, from processing agricultural products like milk and beef, to packaging Starbucks coffee, to shrink-wrapping software for companies like Microsoft, to sewing lingerie for Victoria’s Secret.

What some Americans may not have realized, however, is that America’s economy has come to depend in large part on prison labor. “Prison labor reportedly produces 100 percent of military helmets, shirts, pants, tents, bags, canteens, and a variety of other equipment. Prison labor makes circuit boards for IBM, Texas Instruments, and Dell. Many McDonald's uniforms are sewn by inmates. Other corporations—Microsoft, Victoria's Secret, Boeing, Motorola, Compaq, Revlon, and Kmart—also benefit from prison labor.” The resulting prison labor industries, which rely on cheap, almost free labor, are doing as much to put the average American out of work as the outsourcing of jobs to China and India.

No wonder America is criminalizing mundane activities, arresting Americans for minor violations, and locking them up for long stretches of time. There’s a significant amount of money being made by the police, the courts, the prisons, and the corporations.

What we’re witnessing is the expansion of corrupt government power in the form of corporate partnerships which both increase the reach of the state into our private lives while also adding a profit motive into the mix, with potentially deadly consequences.

This perverse mixture of government authoritarianism and corporate profits is now the prevailing form of organization in American society today. We are not a nation dominated by corporations, nor are we a nation dominated by government. We are a nation dominated by corporations and government together, in partnership, against the interests of individuals, society and ultimately our freedoms.

If it sounds at all conspiratorial, the idea that a government would jail its citizens so corporations can make a profit, then you don’t know your history very well. It has been well documented that Nazi Germany forced inmates into concentration camps such as Auschwitz to provide cheap labor to BASF, Bayer, Hoechst, and other major German chemical and pharmaceutical companies, much of it to produce products for European countries.

Makes you wonder, doesn’t it, whether what we are experiencing right now is fascism, American style, or Auschwitz revisited?
And anyone who doubts the validity of the claims regarding the courts should watch the documentary Divorce Corp. Judges have rejected mutual agreement divorces, forcing a hearing in court, bringing in thousands for the courts and lawyers from the divorcees.
 
A rousing bit of American military history to lighten the mood. I thoroughly enjoyed this and may even have involuntarily saluted once or twice.

Look at "The Fighting Lady", a ship that the America people built to destroy the enemy in his home, far away.

Huzzah and huzzah again, I say.

 
And I will follow up with modern American militarization...um, I mean police. Screw it. I can't tell the difference anymore.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/journalists-threatened-michael-brown_n_5671155.html
There are a lot of screenshots of media tweets at the link.
Journalists encountered a threatening response from police as they tried to cover the protests in Ferguson, the Missouri town that has been upended by the police killing of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager.

While there was a spate of looting on Sunday night, Monday's demonstrations were peaceful. Protestors faced tear gas and rubber bullets from officers trying to break their ranks up. At the same time, police told local media to get out of the area.

Protests are continuing, and the FBI has begun an investigation into Brown's killing.

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Yeah, I live in St. Louis, and this isn't really the best time to be here. Even if there is justification in this case, I'll always encounter either passive aggressive racism or flat out racism here in Missouri. I don't even want to go out of my house to go shopping because of how uncomfortable it is at this moment.

If I were in my high school, I would probably have some said along the lines of 'You're black, what do you think of this?' Lol
 
There is a video I saw of people in their own yard shouting protests slogans as police went by and they shot tear gas at them twice. In their own yard.

It says a lot about police when they look more like military and are even threatening media with violence and/or arrests. They don't want their actions to be seen.
 
No statute of limitations for Murder in the US?

Brady's death, ultimately caused by injuries sustained during the attempt on US President Reagan's life, has been ruled a homicide.

I'm pretty sure the UK limitation is a-year-and-a-day... off to look it up.
To answer your question, it depends on the jurisdiction. However, generally speaking, there is no statute of limitations for murder here in the US.

Though there is one thing going for the shooter, he was declared, after the assassination attempt on Reagan, not guilty by reason of insanity and is in a mental facility in D.C.
 
I hope John Hinckley Jr. will be tried for murder. he needs to see the inside of a real prison.

I had a crush on Jodie Foster too, but I would never do what he did.

Yes I am that old.
 
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There is a video I saw of people in their own yard shouting protests slogans as police went by and they shot tear gas at them twice. In their own yard.

It says a lot about police when they look more like military and are even threatening media with violence and/or arrests. They don't want their actions to be seen.
It gets worse they arrested many innocent protesters finger printed them into the system then they were released. I'm happy people are protesting its about time communities are saying enough is enough.
 
It gets worse they arrested many innocent protesters finger printed them into the system then they were released. I'm happy people are protesting its about time communities are saying enough is enough.

There are security companies in the UK who provide personnel for colleges, stores, factories, fairly inane establishments. At the college where I taught the security staff were equipped in the same way as police officers deployed into a Friday-night-city-centre; stab vests, pepper spray, full jackets, epaulettes and (meaningless) numbers... and they exercised their authority like the little policemen they thought they were. Naturally I made an enemy of them quickly and, as staff, was able to use the rules against them. Little bastards.

Now I work in Engineering and I regularly visit a location on a private business park that is supervised by a company whose cars are a sight to behold; covered in yellow lights and pseudo-cop markings. They do QRA practice around the park, it's awesome. Not.

This is almost funny in a UK context, the little man dressing up as a genuine piece of authority.

In the US it seems that some policemen (I won't say all, there will be some genuinely good women and men doing the right thing in a ****** job every day) aspire to be Special Forces. Sadly they write the rules and get the budget.

I'm not sure that in this context that the primary threat to the people comes from government; it seems that county administration itself could be pretty bloody dangerous.

And it's nowhere near as much fun deliberately parking badly in front of their office.
 
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