Joel
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I'm not offended. Just pointing out how silly it looks to come into a discussion forum, then have discussions about how you don't have to actually discuss anything.
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Have a mod ban me then. If you feel I have violated the terms of membership by choosing to disregard a select few, report it. Or PM. I'd disregard it too as your feelings toward me mean absolutely nothing to me. Mine to you also I'm sure. No biggie.
Do you feel I owe you something? I assure you I do not.
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It's not like we're calling you out for your questionable taste in music in this thread.
I think you are doing all the nit picking, so give it a rest...which you keep saying you'd like to do, but you keep extending the most trivial pieces of argument ad infintium.
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Until you share your opinion of course.
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Yep. However the discussion isn't, so we'll continue in your absence.
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Well, he doesn't have to. You're not under any obligation to do so in a debate, not one on an internet forum anyway, but if you don't bother expanding on your ideas then they won't be treated seriously and the other side might fairly consider you an A-hole.
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Actually, our city installed red light cameras but doesn't ever enforce them because the cost put on the magistrate was too high. It cost them more money to process the traffic violations than the revenue the tickets brought in.
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And I stopped reading there...
Interesting story though.
Joel
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http://www.tennessean.com/story/new...y-stopped-allegedly-childs-body-car/20254253/
Turns out it was a 15 week old stillborn after a miscarriage and they had permits to transport the body, and a death certificate. Not really the same thing but we all know you won't let facts get in the way of a good dig at your ridiculous strawman ideas of Islam or multiculturalism.
Turns out it was a 15 week old stillborn after a miscarriage and they had permits to transport the body, and a death certificate. Not really the same thing but we all know you won't let facts get in the way of a good dig at your ridiculous strawman ideas of Islam or multiculturalism.
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Noob doesn't hate Islam or multiculturalism? He must think they're perfect and beyond reproach, there is literally no other position to hold!
I didn't say either of those things. I alluded to how Carbonox has consistently, ignorantly, and completely stubbornly villified a group of people for completely absurd and paranoid ideas about what they believe and what is happening. For the record I don't think there's anything inherently flawed with Islam that doesn't exist in any other religion or group, nor do I think multicultural cities or countries are inherently flawed.
That's just me though, what would I know about multiculturalism growing up in Canada and regularly visiting the most multicultural city on earth. Y'know, this horrifically violent cesspool full of violent racial and ethnic tensions. We must have got first dibs on all the good Muslims or something. And all the good Sikhs. And all the good Chinese immigrants. And all the good Indians. And all the good Filipinos. And all the good Jamaicans. And all the good Pakistanis. Yeah that makes sense, Canada must have just got first dibs on all the good immigrants and that's why it works.
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Yeah I know you were replying to Carbonox. I was asking for your opinion on those two subjects since you happen to bring them up. So that's a 'yes' then. I have found my opponent. I shall be summoning you to a debate soon.
(And I am honestly, extremely intrigued at how your city makes it 'work', but don't answer that. I'll ask you in another place.)
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I find it hilarious that you always use Toronto as a good example of multiculturalism, yet you always fail to mention the majority of the population have either a Western European or Canadian ethnic background, countries that hardly have a major problem with poverty or crime, so it's not surprising that Toronto is the same. Instead you mostly mention the smallest minorities in Toronto that you seem to feel will make your argument more valid if they're the only ones mentioned because it gives the impression that they make up the majority. At least Carb is only posting non factual articles as evidence because he hasn't done any fact checking, you're purposely (or at least I fail to see how it's accidental) presenting misleading half truths and failing to mention all the facts to try and win an argument.
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@Spurgy 777 If you believe that Western countries don't have major crime problems and poverty issues, you need to remove the blindfold.
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I dont want to discriminate against Muslims from practicing in USA. I believe it falls under freedom of expression.
BUT>>> I believe Islam is inherently flawed. I consider Mohammad a warlord who liked having sex slaves, and I consider the Arab world exponentially better BEFORE monotheism took hold in almost this fascist style fanatical manner. The Monotheism is a problem because it does not allow two God's to co-exist and this means to ultra religious idiots that you must go on the war path as its my way or the highway to death and if I cant win than we all must die.
Very dangerous and you see a tiny bit of this on the Christian fundamentalist right in America although in a democratic free country they've been able to sort alot of that out to the point where I think if the "moral majority" or what they've evolved into over time (official movement has been dead since the 1980s) took total control it could not be a disaster as it has been in the Arab world. I however view the fundamentalist right to be more dangerous to me personally than Islamic terrorists. In fact its funny but Islam appears to be far far more dangerous to those in the countries that practice it although they would like to take their insanity around the world but as mentioned cannot.
BUT>>> I believe Islam is inherently flawed. I consider Mohammad a warlord who liked having sex slaves, and I consider the Arab world exponentially better BEFORE monotheism took hold in almost this fascist style fanatical manner. The Monotheism is a problem because it does not allow two God's to co-exist and this means to ultra religious idiots that you must go on the war path as its my way or the highway to death and if I cant win than we all must die.
Very dangerous and you see a tiny bit of this on the Christian fundamentalist right in America although in a democratic free country they've been able to sort alot of that out to the point where I think if the "moral majority" or what they've evolved into over time (official movement has been dead since the 1980s) took total control it could not be a disaster as it has been in the Arab world. I however view the fundamentalist right to be more dangerous to me personally than Islamic terrorists. In fact its funny but Islam appears to be far far more dangerous to those in the countries that practice it although they would like to take their insanity around the world but as mentioned cannot.
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@Rich S One can equally consider the god as described in the Bible to be a misogynistic, racist, bigoted murderer. Does this make Christianity 'as bad' as Islam, or vice versa?
You do have a point about the Arabian world being more prosperous and better renowned in the time certainly before theocracy was commonplace, something which has come up before, but I feel this strays off topic for a specific United States thread. The story about the 'Muslim driving around with a dead baby' has been debunked.
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You do have a point about the Arabian world being more prosperous and better renowned in the time certainly before theocracy was commonplace, something which has come up before, but I feel this strays off topic for a specific United States thread. The story about the 'Muslim driving around with a dead baby' has been debunked.
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Excuse my off topic-ness then.
I guess I was drawing a parallel with the religious right in USA with the arab world and the potential dangers.I was picking up on something I read above in the thread, cant remember what some argument or another. No I believe that the Christian right is a negative influence in America and worse than the mainstream left but possibly better than the extreme communist left; but I dont consider Christ to have been a murderer or a racist from what I know about him (very little) that would fall into the territory of a bible expert. In the old testament much has been said about sex slaves, stoning over adultry but 30 year old marrying a 13 year old OK, etc, etc, etc. I know very little about the new testament and I have read very little of the bible despite a catholic school (private) background.
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I find it hilarious you're trying to fact check me when the stats don't back you up here either.
Literally half the people in Toronto weren't born in Canada. That's not misleading, that's not a made up fact, literally 1 in 2 people you meet in Toronto are not born Canadians. That's not even ancestry, 1 in 2 people in Toronto have moved to Canada from another country during their life. As for your idea that "most" of the people in Toronto are European/"Canadian" background, you're right. By one percent. 49% of the people in Toronto are visible minorities, which means a non-white, non-European background. Forgive me for calling a city multicultural when only 49% of people there aren't white. Sorry for being "misleading" by mentioning visible minorities in a city that's only 49% visible minorities. I guess I should have mentioned Brampton (33% white), or Vancouver (47% white) if I was being "honest".
Comparing that to London's 71.5% white population, or the 78% French nationals in Paris, or the 82% European ethnicity in Berlin, you can see that a 51% white population in a large western city isn't exactly common. The fact remains there's significant numbers of all of those ethnic groups I mentioned as well as Toronto having the highest concentration of muslims of any city in North America. I'm not just making this stuff up. If we want to talk about misleading truths saying the "majority" of the population have a European background is pretty misleading when the number is actually 51%.
Of course a country that was founded as British and French colonies will still have a lot of white people. That there's still white people in Toronto doesn't take anything away from what I've said. There's nearly 600,000 muslims in Toronto, that's quite a lot of them but somehow we've not all succumbed to Sharia law.
I said I didn't think there's an inherent problem with either, not that they're all perfect in their implementation across the Earth. There's no "debate" to have here unless you're going to tell me that people of multiple cultures inherently leads to problems, or that muslims inherently cause problems. If that's your position then I'm not having a debate with you.
As an aside, I find it pretty funny that in the gun, god, or discussions about black crime/policing online there's a big circlejerk about how much more progressive Europe is. Then when it comes to Islam you get Europeans who are so smug about what Bubba thinks about his AR-15, bible, and black people talking about how dangerous Islam and multicultural cities are. I see stuff said online by Europeans about muslims or Roma people ("gypsies") that they'd be frothing with rage if an American said them about a gay or a black person.
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You might want to take a look at what the age of consent was legally in various US states in 1880 before condemning an entire religion based on a 4th century fable.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24
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I don't wish to condemn or anything such, I am very aware that age of consent used to be far lower and social norms have shifted dramatically. Also puberty arrives earlier now which has made the cultural shift even more surprising & dramatic and also fundamentalist christians seem to be pushing hard for child protection which is even more surprising to me. I shouldn't have used that example to criticize Christianity and I don't take issue if your a christian.
