America - The Official Thread

[KSaiyu]

I'm assuming that you are referring to the state sovereignty issue and not the homosexual marriage issue.

That's the term I was looking for. What other issues has the SCOTUS voted on that they've deemed too important to leave to each individual states discretion?

 

[The87Dodge]

In all of the years Christie governed, he has done absolutely nothing to benefit New Jersey.

 

[squadops]

Indeed he is a fed croney, but a fat lovable teddy bear one

 

[FoolKiller]

Everything. It's a wreck. How can they legislate from the bench that all 50 states must support gay marriage? The correct thing to do would have been to strike down marriage as a state function, or to treat marriage/partnership as subsets of a greater legal construct.

The problem is no one argued based on these points. The representatives from the states were talking about traditions and basically just trying to fight the equal protection claim. Even the defense considered those points a foregone conclusion.

Those kinds of things haven't been an arguable defense in this country for 150 years.

That's the term I was looking for. What other issues has the SCOTUS voted on that they've deemed too important to leave to each individual states discretion?

A lot. Drugs, marriage, abortion, etc.

In all of the years Christie governed, he has done absolutely nothing to benefit New Jersey.

But instead of executive orders, whenever a state doesn't get on board with his plans he will shut down their interstate.

 

[The87Dodge]

Indeed he is a fed croney, but a fat lovable teddy bear one

Lovable?

 

[GTsail]

I think it's a great decision for Americans, but I'm wondering is it so good for America and it's legislative framework?

Are you worried about the various State Legislatures that now must amend their Constitutions?

For example, the Mississippi Constitution has a marriage section that says a "Marriage may take place and may be valid under the laws of this State only between a man and a woman."

Mississippi Constitution Section 263-A

The Mississippi Legislature will probably have to work some weekends to find a way to amend the Mississippi Constitution to make it comply with the recent Supreme Court ruling. I too worry that their golf games may suffer.

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Everything. It's a wreck. How can they legislate from the bench that all 50 states must support gay marriage? The correct thing to do would have been to strike down marriage as a state function, or to treat marriage/partnership as subsets of a greater legal construct.

But that's like a compromise. Compromise isn't the goal anymore. DESTROY THE ENEMY is the goal now.

 

[KSaiyu]

Are you worried about the various State Legislatures that now must amend their Constitutions?

For example, the Mississippi Constitution has a marriage section that says a "Marriage may take place and may be valid under the laws of this State only between a man and a woman."

Mississippi Constitution Section 263-A

The Mississippi Legislature will probably have to work some weekends to find a way to amend the Mississippi Constitution to make it comply with the recent Supreme Court ruling. I too worry that their golf games may suffer.

Respectfully,
GTsail

I meant state sovereignty but I articulated it wrong since my legal jargon is, as proved, terrible.

This is interesting too however 👍

 

[Omnis]

Scalia was right though. It's like a putsch. Look how way off base the majority opinion is:

No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.

The constitution doesn't grant them jack squat. Taking from wikipedia: " the Court held that same-sex marriage cannot be prohibited, and thus ordering its validity and enforcement in all states and areas subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. Constitution."

I struck out the part I disagree with. They have some balls thinking that this ruling is suddenly going to "include them in one of civilization's oldest institutions." Give me a break. They are completely delusional. Maybe Alabama will do the right thing and stop granting marriage licenses for good. They've already suspended them.

 

[Joel]

I'm assuming that you are referring to the state sovereignty issue and not the homosexual marriage issue.

I don't reckon Huffington Post writer was meant to be an insult about state sovereignty.

 

[Danoff]

Scalia was right though. It's like a putsch. Look how way off base the majority opinion is:



The constitution doesn't grant them jack squat. Taking from wikipedia: " the Court held that same-sex marriage cannot be prohibited, and thus ordering its validity and enforcement in all states and areas subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. Constitution."

I struck out the part I disagree with. They have some balls thinking that this ruling is suddenly going to "include them in one of civilization's oldest institutions." Give me a break. They are completely delusional. Maybe Alabama will do the right thing and stop granting marriage licenses for good. They've already suspended them.

Constitution says states can't have laws that treat people different on an arbitrary basis - ergo, no bans on gay marriage. Seems pretty open and shut to me. Thomas kinda missed that in his analysis of whether there is a material difference between straight and gay marriage. From what I can tell, the dissent was more upset about standing than they were about the opinion.

 

[Omnis]

http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/det...rong-reasons-dissents-wrong-for-worse-reasons

Probably the best examination of it all...

 

[Dotini]

All trading on the New York Stock Exchange has been halted for unknown reasons for about the last half hour.

The Wall Street Journal's website is not working properly. Some others, too, including United Airlines. No apparent connection.

This may well be for technical issues, although news-related, cyber attack or other causes are not ruled out.

 

[TheCracker]

All trading in the New York Stock Exchange has been halted for unknown reasons for the last half hour.

The Wall Street Journal's website is not working properly.

A knock-on from the crisis in China's markets perhaps?

 

[Dotini]

A knock-on from the crisis in China's markets perhaps?

Yes! Maybe. I hope not.

If so, there could be a mini global liquidity crisis in the works. OMFG!

I tell you, the whole world is on edge.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

All trading on the New York Stock Exchange has been halted for unknown reasons for about the last half hour.

The Wall Street Journal's website is not working properly. Some others, too, including United Airlines. No apparent connection.

This may well be for technical issues, although news-related, cyber attack or other causes are not ruled out.

Apparently just a glitch:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...exchange-united-airlines-glitch-delay/6605612

 

[ryzno]

While everyone in America is worried about the normal crap.

This happened the other day in Chattanooga, TN...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/18/sailor-in-chattanooga-shooting-has-died-death-toll-now-5/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html

 

[TenEightyOne]

the whole world is on edge.

just a glitch

Well that was an anti-climax.

 

[Swagger897]

well....

 

[Rage Racer]

Putin’s Plot to Get Texas to Secede
For Moscow's right-wingers, payback means teaming up with a band of Texas secessionists.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...tin-texas-secession-119288.html#ixzz3gRt0qa37

Wait, wait, wait... Seriously?

 

[Joel]

well....

It's almost like when the context of a situation is entirely different, people react differently!

 

[Swagger897]

It's almost like when the context of a situation is entirely different, people react differently!

explain how it's different...
Citizen dies, nation riots over a false phrase
Marines randomly shot, nothing done to protect them

 

[Joel]

explain how it's different...
Citizen dies, nation riots over a false phrase
Marines randomly shot, nothing done to protect them

Black citizen dies at the hands of police. Do you really not see a contextual difference there? At the very least, do you at least not see how other people could see a difference?

False phrase?

 

[Swagger897]

Black citizen dies at the hands of police.

Obviously, after committing a crime.

Do you really not see a contextual difference there?

nope.

At the very least, do you at least not see how other people could see a difference?

Obviously as a result to current events..

 

[FoolKiller]

explain how it's different...
Citizen dies, nation riots over a false phrase
Marines randomly shot, nothing done to protect them

Your Facebook feed must look very different from mine.

I think your complaint is about the media.

But that said, Authority figure with the mission to protect kills someone and some people believe it isn't justified and riot vs. a bad guy with no authority or any official recognition kills Marines and some people bring up gun control.

 

[Joel]

Obviously, after committing a crime.
nope.

Obviously as a result to current events..

I don't know what to say if you think there's no contextual difference between police killing someone and marines killed senselessly/randomly.

I'm not even talking about the facts of the case(es) or my opinion on them. All I'm saying is an apples to apples comparison of the reaction to teenagers killed by police, and marines killed on a base by a senseless shooting is silly.

 

[Swagger897]

Your Facebook feed must look very different from mine.

Odly enough I just scrolled through and only saw one posting about it...

I think your complaint is about the media.

Might be. I don't see much of any riots on the street in DC and smoke thrown out, but I'm getting too deep into the MB thing.

I don't know what to say if you think there's no contextual difference between police killing someone and marines killed senselessly/randomly.

I'm not even talking about the facts of the case(es) or my opinion on them. All I'm saying is an apples to apples comparison of the reaction to teenagers killed by police, and marines killed on a base by a senseless shooting is silly.

But that's not my point. There's (in what I've seen) no reaction to the latter. You obviously missed it from the first post.

 

[Joel]

But that's not my point. There's (in what I've seen) no reaction to the latter. You obviously missed it from the first post.

I didn't miss anything. Your dank meme makes a comparison at face value between two situations with entirely different contexts, and the implication is we should be apalled by what it points out as hypocrisy.

 

[Swagger897]

I didn't miss anything. Your dank meme makes a comparison at face value between two situations with entirely different contexts, and the implication is we should be apalled by what it points out as hypocrisy.

uhhhhhhhhh no, you just don't get it.

 

[Joel]

uhhhhhhhhh no, you just don't get it.

Your opinion might be different, I'm talking about the picture you posted and why it's misguided.

If you want to say we should care more about the marines who died then say it. There isn't a finite amount of "care" in the world, we can support marines without being edgy and contrarian about teenagers killed by police.