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What is it specifically that Israel is providing the US?

Stubborn is stubborn, I'll just leave this for you here to read. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-military-equipment-used-by-the-u-s

In other news, The Governor of California is doing his best to keep the U.S. from deporting immigrants convicted of felonies. I'm pretty sure this has been a long time practice however the media is portraying it as a snub at Trump. So, let's bypass some federal laws to keep convicted felons on the streets of Cali shall we?

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article191430714.html

Thoughts?
 
Stubborn is stubborn, I'll just leave this for you here to read. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-military-equipment-used-by-the-u-s

I didn't know that "stubborn" was the word that we used now to describe someone interested in specific discussion rather than generalities. Perhaps this is one of those cases where American English doesn't match up with the rest of the world. The word we usually use is "inquisitive".

However, thank you for a list of actual specifics. The tank defense stuff is interesting, both technically and from a supply and export perspective. Still, Israel hardly seems like a critical defense partner. None of those are core technologies, or irreplaceable from other sources. If the US was spending ~$1 billion on Israeli tech in 2006, that's somewhere under half a percent of total defense budget. That's not a whole lot.

All other things being equal, it'd certainly be nice to keep relations with them, but at the same time I'm not sure exactly how far you could go in terms of political support before it became not worth it. Which is sort of the point that I was making, how valuable is Israel to the US and how far before you cut them off and say "hey, you're on your own with that one guys".

I think that Israel is valuable to the US as an ally, but that's about it, and I don't think there's a need to go buttering them up by legitimising their claim on Jerusalem to do so. I think if anything, it endangers potential US interests with other states or neo-states in the region for no real current benefit other than letting Trump yet again flail his "diplomacy" willy around.

If there's ever a conference on the eve of World War 3, I hope someone has the sense to lock Trump in the bathroom.

In other news, The Governor of California is doing his best to keep the U.S. from deporting immigrants convicted of felonies. I'm pretty sure this has been a long time practice however the media is portraying it as a snub at Trump. So, let's bypass some federal laws to keep convicted felons on the streets of Cali shall we?

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article191430714.html

Thoughts?

The first "crime" referred to is "felony joyriding", whatever that is. Add into that that the guy came here as a child fleeing the Khmer Rouge, and it seems like one could make a reasonable argument that the guy is American in all but name and through no fault of his own, and that deporting him when he has nowhere to go is the greater crime.

Fortunately, the people at the top of the stack legally tend to be pretty good about at least giving consideration to circumstances instead of simply reading from the manual. After all, if there was no room for nuance in law then we wouldn't need judges.
 
The first "crime" referred to is "felony joyriding", whatever that is. Add into that that the guy came here as a child fleeing the Khmer Rouge, and it seems like one could make a reasonable argument that the guy is American in all but name and through no fault of his own, and that deporting him when he has nowhere to go is the greater crime.

Fortunately, the people at the top of the stack legally tend to be pretty good about at least giving consideration to circumstances instead of simply reading from the manual. After all, if there was no room for nuance in law then we wouldn't need judges.

Felony joyriding is car theft. If he was American he would not be facing deportation for committing a felonious act. Nowhere to go? I don't know how that works but I'd guess if his country of origin will not take him he'd stay here.

There is room for nuances for sure but what we are seeing here, or told is happening here is a state governor attempting to override federal authority. It probably won't work anyway as the pardons alone won't insure deportation is stopped.

What I really want to see is the cali bill 54 or whatever it is but I've not had the time or mindset to dig into it. It's where we will see what really happens between states and feds over immigration.
 
There is room for nuances for sure but what we are seeing here, or told is happening here is a state governor attempting to override federal authority.

Yep. He's doing what he can with the powers that have been given to him in order to ensure that miscarriages of justice are not made. Seems like the correct thing for a politician to do.

If a governor has the power to legally prevent what he perceives to be an injustice or miscarriage of justice, even federal justice, should he or should he not take action?
 
He doesn't, that is why simply pardoning the felony doesn't remove the threat of deportation.

I was speaking in general terms to try and elicit what your personal take on such a hypothetical situation might be. So far you seem to be pretty straight along the lines as far as adherence to rules, with little allowance for people working around the letter of the law in order to better fulfil the spirit.

I'd ask you to take a look again, with the explicit knowledge that the situation is hypothetical.
 
In other news, The Governor of California is doing his best to keep the U.S. from deporting immigrants convicted of felonies. I'm pretty sure this has been a long time practice however the media is portraying it as a snub at Trump. So, let's bypass some federal laws to keep convicted felons on the streets of Cali shall we?

Thoughts?

Weren't the crimes they comitted in 1995 and 2003 crimes under State law? Are you suggesting that the gubernatorial pardon is illegal in this case?
 
Weren't the crimes they comitted in 1995 and 2003 crimes under State law? Are you suggesting that the gubernatorial pardon is illegal in this case?

Yes, under state law and no, it's not illegal. I don't see anything wrong with it either as giving a good person that second chance for a bad choice makes sense to me.

The immigration status is a separate issue, with that being the case the fact of being convicted of a felony won't be washed away by the pardon.
 
The immigration status is a separate issue, with that being the case the fact of being convicted of a felony won't be washed away by the pardon.

And so far they're still going to be deported - that's from your own link. What exactly is it that you're complaining about?
 
It will always be relevant to point out the dangerous imbecility of Trump, but at a certain juncture the ever-unsatiated obsession with pointing out the inconsequential imbecility of Trump turns the tables, making the pointer-out-erer the imbecile that is distracting from the things that truly matter.

Some people are well past that juncture.
 
Seems like everyone and their mother has a book to tell a side of [insert here] story that no one gives a flying pig's hoo-ha about. So many cash ins to not care about.
I definitely don't care about Google Me - No Lies but I suspect that being banned in England and Wales by High Court order could help to serve as one heck of a back cover recommendation to fans of trashy tell all books.

Or maybe I would if the book had more than a single supisciously glowing review each on Amazon.com and goodreads...
 
Isn't it simply amazing what qualifies for news now days? All the best to Harry and his fiancé but I really don't need to know the intimate details and internal squabbles between family members. That stuff belongs on TMZ or Buzzfeed not the BBC.
Accordingly, it is equally amazing what doesn't qualify for news. Probably - and justifiably(?) - many of us would prefer charming pablum and beautiful lies to an ugly truth.
 
Probably - and justifiably(?) - many of us would prefer charming pablum and beautiful lies to an ugly truth.
It's levity, and levity is good...to a degree. As was pointed out, there are other avenues for acquiring this sort of content. I'm okay with a brief report of events, and that's primarily what I've gotten--any inter-family disputes are entirely new to me and I've not investigated them further because I just plain don't care.
 
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Normally when a measuring contest happens, I like to say "stop measuring and start going at it".

...not sure if that would be wise in this scenario :lol:.
 

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