America - The Official Thread
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Depends what you mean by "America", @baldgye.
The 1783 recognition of the Untied States was indeed an attempt to get "Great Britain's boot of [our] neck" for reasons various but that was after the North American colonies were already long established.
If you mean the Pilgrim fathers then they left England to set up an exclusive, zealous religious colony. The Puritanical gentlemen on that boat did not want anybody who wasn't "in the club" in their new society however to be fair, that was almost 180 years before the country as we know it now was founded.
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So, as part of my job, i get included into the Global Governement Forum, an ezine type of publication. One of the headlines in the email they send out is about Stefan Schweinfest. The synopsys begins "In an era of fake news and populist politicians..."
What am I missing about populism, "the thin political ideology seeking to represent the ordinary people" that makes it so bad? Why is being a populist seen as being bad?
What am I missing about populism, "the thin political ideology seeking to represent the ordinary people" that makes it so bad? Why is being a populist seen as being bad?
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They have been using populism to replace nationalism. This word has been ruined by white nationalists and nazi's ofcourse. Thats why you never hear or read people saying their nationalistic. In both cases there is nothing wrong with the definition, but i guess words get perverted when the wrong groups keep using the word. Populist is the next in line, because it is popular among the left to define rightwing nationalists. In most cases you replace the word populist with nationalists, the meaning stays the same, but some people might associate nationalists more with nazis and racists.
"Fake news" is another thing. The word is often used to define biased media more then actual fake news nowadays. It gets thrown around a lot these days.
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IMO the impetus behind the founding of the U.S. was mainly economic. Too many rules and regulations surrounding the movement of goods, expansion westward, taxation without representation, trade limited to England only etc. Americans were an industrious and independent bunch back then as they are now and wanted freedom to grow and prosper. Things came to a head, protests ensued, people were shot and they fought back for independence. The rest, as they say, is history.
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There are similarities in motivations to Brexit. Just less violent and dramatic. Was immigration an issue during the revolutionary war?
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Perhaps Bolton is still mad after George Monbiot tried to arrest him for helping to start the Iraq war a decade ago.
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It takes a true politician to blame the other side on for something that really isn't political to begin with:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...puerto-ricos-hurricane-death-toll/1288593002/
And I think Ryan has a point here when he said: "Casualties don’t make a person look bad." He's right, casualties don't make someone look bad, so why make it a political thing for any reason other than politicians are spineless, scum of the earth people?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...puerto-ricos-hurricane-death-toll/1288593002/
And I think Ryan has a point here when he said: "Casualties don’t make a person look bad." He's right, casualties don't make someone look bad, so why make it a political thing for any reason other than politicians are spineless, scum of the earth people?
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How? He, declared it a state of emergency, sent troops, money and what we call line men, to repair the power infrastructure. The exact same thing a President does in every natural disaster.
It's not exactly his fault PR misappropriated their funds for decades and never upgraded their power system/ infrastructure.
While they are a USA territory they are their own country and have their own laws and ways like any other state.
IE Georgia is still trying to get rural GAs internet/power/roads infrastructure up to date.
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I think the difficulty is that he's claiming the response to Puerto Rico was somehow magnificent when in fact several thousand people died because of the post-storm conditions. Trump goes on to deny that figure too and has it at somewhere less than 100 (I've seen differing claims today for the exact number). That's what people are reacting to today. The PR political situation is a different argument, as you point out, but it's not quite the one Trump's spoken out on in the last few days.
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Trump called his response to Maria's toll on Puerto Rico an "incredible unsung success" and is opting to double down on that claim by rejecting fatality figures that he says have been pumped up by Democrats.
And the tweets themselves:
Of course, the restoration of power represents another debacle entirely:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitefish_Energy#Hurricane_Maria_controversies
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Dont need to defend him here. We were specifically referencing the article in which Ryan disagreed with Trump's tweets. The problem isnt if Trump and Co did a good job or not, it is the fact that Trumps disputes that there were almost 3000 casualties and blames the democrats for trying to mislead the public. (even claiming 6 to 18 deaths)
So how do you think of his tweets?
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My bad, I didn't hear about that.
After what I've just heard, lies and ego.
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Please, please no more celebrity presidents.
I just want a faceless, boring, middling yet competent bureaucrat that only addresses the public a few times a year and with an overarching ethos of "nice and steady".
I just want a faceless, boring, middling yet competent bureaucrat that only addresses the public a few times a year and with an overarching ethos of "nice and steady".
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I miss learning things about the economy from presidential debates and speeches.
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Direct election of President (& Senators!) is overrated.
Just ask James Madison
One of my worst current fears is the US swinging wildly (and unsustainably, mind) back to the left after Trump is done. I've kind of aligned myself with the left, for the moment...but there's some scary stuff way out left too. I was really hoping for a dreamily centrist Franken/Kasich ticket in 2020. Guess that utterly vanilla fantasy is over now....
Just ask James Madison
One of my worst current fears is the US swinging wildly (and unsustainably, mind) back to the left after Trump is done. I've kind of aligned myself with the left, for the moment...but there's some scary stuff way out left too. I was really hoping for a dreamily centrist Franken/Kasich ticket in 2020. Guess that utterly vanilla fantasy is over now....
