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Well, I think Kavanagh has ended the #metoo attack against him with the virgin defence.
You, I, and everyone, knows who their first was. And those of you who are currently virgins, you will remember your first forever.
No one in Kavanagh's position could possibly lie about not having sex until years after high school.
It takes two to tango.
I am sure Kavanagh's ex-lovers know who they are and would remember him. Lying about being a virgin would not be an option, unless it was true. Then of course, it is not a lie.
Unless, of course, he had all of his past lovers killed!!! I wouldn't put it past those damn Republicans! [shakes his fist emoji].
You, I, and everyone, knows who their first was. And those of you who are currently virgins, you will remember your first forever.
No one in Kavanagh's position could possibly lie about not having sex until years after high school.
It takes two to tango.
I am sure Kavanagh's ex-lovers know who they are and would remember him. Lying about being a virgin would not be an option, unless it was true. Then of course, it is not a lie.
Unless, of course, he had all of his past lovers killed!!! I wouldn't put it past those damn Republicans! [shakes his fist emoji].
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- TexRex72
Sexual assault and virginity aren't mutually exclusive and neither of the accusations against Kavanaugh allude to penetration.
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- Johnnypenso
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The economic recovery started during Obama. To say that within 2 years in office he has had an immediate impact is a bit shortsighted. Policy needs a lot of time to be implemented and it takes time to see the positive/negative result. Trumps economy is the one he or the next potus will inherit in 2 years. It is like buying a refurbished classic car and taking credit for it (which a lot of rich guys do). The Obama years should get at least 50% credit for the economic growth.
Even in europe we hear/see the news of the economy. It is just his personality that overshadows it.
What disturbes me more is that in a international public setting he brags about things that are not factual. How did he do more then Roosevelt, Lincoln or Washington for the USA? Is he surrounded with enablers or something? I really dont understand how he can be so delusional.
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- Johnnypenso
Trump is an unashamed USA booster. Even if they were struggling he'd still be singing their praises that's what boosters do. It's not fashionable these days to be such a "homer" but it was standard practice when I was growing up. The impression that many have of Obama on the other hand, is that went around the world to tell everyone how sorry he was and how the USA wasn't exceptional at all. That may or may not be factually accurate but it's the perception of many nonetheless and it doesn't sit well with a large portion of the population the believes in American exceptionalism. In terms of who gets credit for what, a Trump supporter would point to the two spikes in growth since he took office. One happened right as soon as he took over and many chalked it up to optimism which was borne out by polls, and the second spike happened right after the recent tax cuts. It may not be cause and effect but the correlation is there nonetheless. You can't discount optimism as fuel for economic growth. If people believe in something they'll get behind it, and in business terms that means investment, expansion, job creation etc. Around Windsor there is a lot of talk of uncertainty because Trudeau seems unable to come to terms with Trump on trade and there's always the possibility the Chrysler will move the van plant out of here and that will devastate this town. I know people who are making contingency plans already, including me.
Whether American GDP growth lasts or if there isn't some economic bump in the road looming, who knows? Interest rates are sure to rise which will put a damper on things. Lots of things could happen. And Trump will be there for another couple of years, if he's lucky, singing the praises of the most powerful nation, by far, on earth.
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So you dont believe all these statements that Trump is unfit for office? Even I viewed it as just dumb rumors and conspiracy theory, but when so many sources corroborate the narrative, it may very well be the truth.
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- Johnnypenso
Trump could be the second coming of Christ and the Democrats and their buddies in the mainstream media would still have a laundry list of offences and greivences for him. "Who does he think he is walking on water? Doesn't he know global warming is going to make that water 4 inches deeper? Let's see if he can walk on that water!!!". "Unfit for office" is a broad generalization. More than likely a great deal of what is being said or rumoured is true. When Article 25 Amendment invoked or impeachment proceedings begin, and testimony is given, I'll evaluate whatever testimony is given under oath.
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Trump does a lot of stupid things, but most of them aren't illegal.
However, he is breaking a very import piece of the Constitution and why I really think he's unfit for the office and it all goes back to the tariffs. It's illegal for a president to levy tariffs per Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. That's a Congressional power and by doing it under the asinine guise of "national security" is, at least to me, an abuse of power. I also think he is obstructing justice with the various investigations by firing people left and right, but that's probably harder to prove.
He also seems to desperately want to silence the press and critics, which is a violation of the First Amendment. Although other presidents did this too and never got called on it.
However, he is breaking a very import piece of the Constitution and why I really think he's unfit for the office and it all goes back to the tariffs. It's illegal for a president to levy tariffs per Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. That's a Congressional power and by doing it under the asinine guise of "national security" is, at least to me, an abuse of power. I also think he is obstructing justice with the various investigations by firing people left and right, but that's probably harder to prove.
He also seems to desperately want to silence the press and critics, which is a violation of the First Amendment. Although other presidents did this too and never got called on it.
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As long as you are open to the idea that the "mainstream media" and democrats are not some concpiracy making up things about trump. All these reports could be factual and all the ecomomic growth was a coincidence.Dont get me wrong it could be hat these rapports are made up, but highly unlikely. But I don't automatically dismiss opposing ideas as "fake news" unless I know for sure it is.
I just feel a bit for Melania. She knows for a fact now that her husband cheated on her while she was pregnant with a pornstar. Very humiliating.
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- TexRex72
How does that differ from Republicans with regards to a Democrat in office? Remember how bad everything Obama did was?
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- TexRex72
Of course...that's his official title, right?
That only makes disapproval of him from the right all the more perplexing; after all, he was only the third sitting United States President to receive the prize and he was bestowed with the honor during his first year in office.
It wasn't mere disapproval from the right, though. There were a number of calls for impeachment, including one as a result of those brainless birthers and the equally (if not more) absurd "agenda push prevention" that wasn't accompanied by any legitimate grounds.
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- TexRex72
Good thing the honor is given based on what an individual has done rather than what they haven't done yet.
https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/History/Alfred-Nobel-s-will
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In 2013, the Democrats used the so-called "nuclear option" to bypass obstructionist Republicans and fill 59 vacancies in the executive branch and 17 non-SCOTUS judgeships. The GOP had already decided by that point that they no longer had any actual principles, and their entire platform was to just stop everything Obama wanted to do. I'm okay with the decision; 76 vacancies sitting open just because one party is pouting is ridiculous. One thing to note, though, is that they explicitly did not apply the "nuclear option" to SCOTUS appointments; those still required 60 votes.
The "nuclear option" wasn't applied to Supreme Court seats until 2017, when the now GOP-controlled Senate couldn't get Neil Gorsuch confirmed until they lowered the bar to 51 votes. So maybe you should include Mitch McConnell when deciding who to pin this on, eh?
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This is all still subject to the fact that many women do not come forward with things like that, out of fear, intimidation, etc. I'm sure Kavanaugh knows that he could lie about being a virgin, and the odds are in his favor that none of the women who know, first-hand, that he's lying won't come forward. It's not worth the inevitable harassment they'd receive.
This is all, of course, in addition to what @TexRex said; he could very well have remained a virgin if none of his attempted sexual assaults resulted in intercourse.
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If you really expect an acknowledgement of this truth, you're impressively optimistic.
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- TexRex72
This is the best I can offer, because an explanation that satisfies my own questions about it hasn't been provided...
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/
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I mean...while my view of it is generally favorable, it was far from exceptional. I also acknowledge that he doesn't solely bear credit for successes just as he doesn't solely bear the burden of failings. Of course I hold the right as more than somewhat responsible for the latter, as they kicked his legs out from under him on so many issues and have been laughing because he fell ever since.
As for the other bit, I wish I could even feign laughter at the Trumpeters crying foul over what's "being done to Trump" and acting as though he's the first ever to be subjected to it. My only response to that is condescension...I suspect it shows.
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I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm no fool either.
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- TexRex72
While I suspect that's a fair assessment, I'd genuinely be interested in examples (be they general or specific) of its manifestation outside of this section. Of course this wouldn't be the venue for that.
I'm opinionated and belligerent--I'm a product of my upbringing--but I like to think I give others a fair shake and I'm all for giving their opinions due attention...most of the time.
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I believe his official title changed depending on the network. Nobel Peace Prize-winning Black Jesus Obama or Kenyan-born sleeper cell Barack Hussein Obama.
I wasn't making the insinuation that Johnnypenso's hypothetical didn't happen to Obama.
The 2009 award for not being George W. Bush.
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He was pointing out hypcrisy on both sides.
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- TexRex72
You bet your sweet bippy it doesn't, and while you didn't specifically use his name in the contents of the quote I provided, you regularly do with regular whataboutisms and I assert that the inference is justified. That said, I didn't actually say you did when asking the question I asked, but I suppose that inferrence is justified as well.
Yeeeeaaahh...I refer again to those whataboutisms.
Oh and while he hasn't occupied the office of the president for nearly two years, Presidents of the United States retain the title for life.
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- Johnnypenso
Yes, I've point it out more than once myself, I just don't see the need to do it every single time I post as if one side being hypocritical justifies the other side being hypocritical.
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American Politicians really need to grow some balls and have the guts to go against the 2 parties (I know there is the libertarians and independants). There are enough moderate democrats and republicans that dont agree with some of the extreme actions and policies of their parties. I cant imagine how it must be being a moderate republican and forced to fall in line with this president just to show the party is united. It isnt very democratic to have 2 major parties and eventually 1 party having only a small majority having the most power. It is very Ironic how the republican party represents both the established rich people and the working class and low income religious people. Dont these groups have conflicting interests?
