America - The Official Thread

[Touring Mars]

It's kind of ironic - Trump is now doing all of this stuff in the open but it has (almost certainly) been going on for decades.

Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

 

[Dotini]

It's kind of ironic - Trump is now doing all of this stuff in the open but it has (almost certainly) been going on for decades.

Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

Ha ha!

Hint: It's not good.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Wait. Fox has two "unbiased" anchors and that makes them balanced? Even Andy Levy would have a good laugh at that. As a former fox news anchor, I think he might know the climate at fox better than any single one of us, and has no issue calling it Trump News Network.

As for Obama coverage. https://fair.org/extra/the-myth-of-pro-obama-media-bias/
As for critics. I know Beck, Kurtz and Tapper have all been critical of Obama at some point or another.

Who said that two unbiased anchors made them balanced? Link please.

 

[Rallywagon]

That is 2 of their top anchors. That alone puts them ahead of every other mainstream network in terms of balance even though as a whole they are unbalanced. Can you name two top anchors that were critical of Obama at CNN? MSNBC?

So sorry, "more" balanced...

 

[mustafur]

American mainstream media is as baised as it gets, Fox stands out as it's the only one without a George Soros world view but it's just as bad.

 

[Biggles]

Like many other things American, your analysis of the mainstream media is completely wrong. It sounds like you're not getting your information first-hand but rather just listening to people who tell you what you should believe. Fox News is pro Trump as a whole but there are many examples of Fox News hosts being critical of the President as well. The same is true of the rest of the media just on the opposite side of the aisle. They are demonstrable pro Democrat but will still throw up some token Democrat critique once in awhile. The media is biased. They aren't reporting the news they are reporting the stories that appeal to their target audience and they tailor their content to that audience. News is a business first and foremost.

I think PocketZeven's analysis of the American MSM is pretty much right on the mark. CNN has always been pro-Democrat, but it's now WILDLY anti-Trump. But CNN is the way it is now because of Trump - Trump isn't the way he is because of CNN. MSM TV anchors were not overly critical of Obama because, whatever you may think of Obama's policy positions, Obama wasn't an asshole.

American mainstream media is as baised as it gets, Fox stands out as it's the only one without a George Soros world view but it's just as bad.

LOL. Soros? If there's one thing that identifies the crackpot, right-wing, alt-reality point of view - it's the mention of George Soros. What is he? A Communist, a Nazi, a New World Order Illuminati, a uber Capitalism ... or just a Jew?

Please do enlighten us!

 

[Dotini]

Yes, rip the cover off Soros! Is he anything more than a billionaire do-gooder, funder and activist? Is he instrumental in overthrown governments and regime changes in Europe and elsewhere?

 

[DDastardly00]

I think PocketZeven's analysis of the American MSM is pretty much right on the mark. CNN has always been pro-Democrat, but it's now WILDLY anti-Trump. But CNN is the way it is now because of Trump - Trump isn't the way he is because of CNN. MSM TV anchors were not overly critical of Obama because, whatever you may think of Obama's policy positions, Obama wasn't an asshole.



LOL. Soros? If there's one thing that identifies the crackpot, right-wing, alt-reality point of view - it's the mention of George Soros. What is he? A Communist, a Nazi, a New World Order Illuminati, a uber Capitalism ... or just a Jew?

Please do enlighten us!

I'm going with "just a jew" because he is actually Jewish (I think). He does make the Koch Bros look like amateurs so there's that. I generally frown on big money buying politicians and elections (as we all should) so I'm definitely not a fan of Soros. As for the labels, the Emperor Palpatine ones are the most fun.

 

[Biggles]

I'm going with "just a jew" because he is actually Jewish (I think). He does make the Koch Bros look like amateurs so there's that. I generally frown on big money buying politicians and elections (as we all should) so I'm definitely not a fan of Soros. As for the labels, the Emperor Palpatine ones are the most fun.

Yeah - a quick search of "Soros" reveals a surprising wealth of fascinating websites with "fun" characterizations of Soros ... unfortunately there are a lot of ignorant, gullible people out there who take it all literally. You know, the way people used to believe jews kidnapped & drank the blood of christian children, poisoned wells etc. But nothing ever came of those ignorant beliefs, so I guess we're OK?

 

[mustafur]

I will get back to this when I have time.

Insulting peoples inteligence by writing off their view and claiming a racist reason really doesn't reflect well on you, without hearing what they have to say.

 

[DDastardly00]

I haven't seen much about Hurricane Michael other than how it's tracking, hopefully no lives are lost and damage will be less than Florence. The Governor of NC declared as state of emergency today, they are expecting 7 inches of rain as Michael tracks north. They are still dealing with the after effects of Florence too, I feel for those people affected in all areas.

 

[UKMikey]

I will get back to this when I have time.

Insulting peoples inteligence by writing off their view and claiming a racist reason really doesn't reflect well on you, without hearing what they have to say.

Presumably @Biggles has looked at the websites he uncovered in his search for Soros info so I'm not sure why you claim he hasn't heard what they have to say.

 

[Biggles]

Presumably @Biggles has looked at the websites he uncovered in his search for Soros info so I'm not sure why you claim he hasn't heard what they have to say.

Well, to be fair mustafur hasn't offered ANY reason for bringing up Soros (& only Soros) in a very brief comment about the MSM. However, the internet is full of dozens of websites positing ridiculous, demonstrably false, inflammatory claims about Soros, his past & his motives.

 

[mustafur]

When I say George Soros I mean his Open Society Foundation, while on paper it looks good for the most part, the massive money spent of political donations and Protester groups that support their world view does go with American MSM mentality.

 

[TenEightyOne]

the massive money spent of political donations and Protester groups that support their world view does go with American MSM mentality.

Wait - so lobbying is actually a real thing?

 

[mustafur]

Wait - so lobbying is actually a real thing?

Yes, Weird.

 

[UKMikey]

When I say George Soros I mean his Open Society Foundation, while on paper it looks good for the most part, the massive money spent of political donations and Protester groups that support their world view does go with American MSM mentality.

Do you have any figures for this?

 

[UKMikey]

double post - apologies

 

[Dotini]

Who elected George Soros to superintend the world? Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

 

[mustafur]

Do you have any figures for this?

Hillary Clintons top donors #6: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00000019
Black Lives Matter: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/
Democratic alliance(basically a central fund in which they distribute money to other groups): https://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/inside-the-vast-liberal-conspiracy-108171

Media Spending: https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryb...-bros-murdoch-vs-sorosbuffettge/#36a516726fbf

Essentially Soros is the Left equivalent of the Koch Brothers when it comes to political and media funding, but Im not making a claim he is some evil guy pulling all the strings in the US, the Koch brothers influence when it comes to Fox and the Republican party is just as bad, only difference from what i know is Soros is heavily involved with European politics as well: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/orban-european-union-soros/560480/

There is alot more things he is linked with but the sources are poor and likely more on the conspiracy side with little to no evidence.

 

[UKMikey]

Hillary Clintons top donors #6: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00000019
Black Lives Matter: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/
Democratic alliance(basically a central fund in which they distribute money to other groups): https://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/inside-the-vast-liberal-conspiracy-108171

Media Spending: https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryb...-bros-murdoch-vs-sorosbuffettge/#36a516726fbf

Essentially Soros is the Left equivalent of the Koch Brothers when it comes to political and media funding, but Im not making a claim he is some evil guy pulling all the strings in the US, the Koch brothers influence when it comes to Fox and the Republican party is just as bad, only difference from what i know is Soros is heavily involved with European politics as well: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/orban-european-union-soros/560480/

There is alot more things he is linked with but the sources are poor and likely more on the conspiracy side with little to no evidence.

Yeah, I don't see what's so sinister about financially supporting Hillary Clinton or the Dem party. BLM have expressed very questionable views but I don't think they're the equivalent of the Koch Bros' Tea Party. As you say, it's hardly running the world Blofeld style as alluded by @Dotini above. Just garden variety political lobbying from the looks of things.

 

[mustafur]

Yeah, I don't see what's so sinister about financially supporting Hillary Clinton or the Dem party. BLM have expressed very questionable views but I don't think they're the equivalent of the Koch Bros' Tea Party. As you say, it's hardly running the world Blofeld style as alluded by @Dotini above. Just garden variety political lobbying from the looks of things.

But further illustrates how American MSM is just a garbage chess match at this stage by Billionaires rather then actual journalists with Real stories, but given the drop in ratings across the board for the Mainstream Media on both sides, the people are waking up to that or they are just watching less TV, both are probably likely.

 

[Dotini]

It is alleged that OSI (Open Society Institute) – founded by George Soros in 1993 to help fund color revolutions in Eastern Europe, also contributed major funding to Arab Spring revolutions.

 

[UKMikey]

But further illustrates how American MSM is just a garbage chess match at this stage by Billionaires rather then actual journalists with Real stories, but given the drop in ratings across the board for the Mainstream Media on both sides, the people are waking up to that or they are just watching less TV, both are probably likely.

I'm not sure how we can be certain that the non-mainstream sources from which the people are gathering their information are any more reliable.

It is alleged that OSI (Open Society Institute) – founded by George Soros in 1993 to help fund color revolutions in Eastern Europe, also contributed major funding to Arab Spring revolutions.

To write this off would appear to be insulting people's "inteligence" but even if it's true it doesn't sound very Blofeld-like to me. Some of those Arab regimes were pretty oppressive as I understand it.

 

[Dotini]

To write this off would appear to be insulting people's "inteligence" but even if it's true it doesn't sound very Blofeld-like to me. Some of those Arab regimes were pretty oppressive as I understand it.

You might say Soros's game was exporting democracy and instituting regime change in tyrannic, patriarchal regimes around the world. But if so, he must be held as the genius spider at the center of the web that resulted in the blowback of terrorism and refugees to western cities far and wide. Soros may be one of the greatest human minds of all time, a principal architect of the modern world. Or he may be a comic-book villain, depending upon your point of view.

 

[mustafur]

It is alleged that OSI (Open Society Institute) – founded by George Soros in 1993 to help fund color revolutions in Eastern Europe, also contributed major funding to Arab Spring revolutions.

It's hard to link the Arab spring revolutions as the best link comes with Samantha Power and her Link to a Soros funded group called ''The Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect'', Samantha Power being a key advisor in Obamas plan to bomb Libya, but that group only has Soros as a contributor not the main fund.
There is also claims he has been linked with the NGO Boats that where taking ''Refugees'' off the shore of Libya and taking them to Italy even though the closet port would be in Tunisa but no one has shown sources that these boats are actually linked to Soros in anyway so it can't be claimed as any evidence.



The boats can all be looked up on marinetraffic.com but the only link any of them have to any organisation is Aquarius 2 with Doctors without borders.

 

[UKMikey]

You might say Soros's game was exporting democracy and instituting regime change in tyrannic, patriarchal regimes around the world. But if so, he must be held as the genius spider at the center of the web that resulted in the blowback of terrorism and refugees to western cities far and wide.

All part of the plan, no doubt.

I may need to borrow @TexRex's ROFLMAO emoji.

 

[mustafur]

I'm not sure how we can be certain that the non-mainstream sources from which the people are gathering their information are any more reliable.

kind of true, but it's easy to find sources that don't just blatantly Lie about things people can easily find for them selves to not be the case.
This had me in tears.

 

[Dotini]

It's hard to link the Arab spring revolutions as the best link comes with Samantha Power and her Link to a Soros funded group called ''The Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect'', Samantha Power being a key advisor in Obamas plan to bomb Libya, but that group only has Soros as a contributor not the main fund.
There is also claims he has been linked with the NGO Boats that where taking ''Refugees'' off the shore of Libya and taking them to Italy even though the closet port would be in Tunisa but no one has shown sources that these boats are actually linked to Soros in anyway so it can't be claimed as any evidence.



The boats can all be looked up on marinetraffic.com but the only link any of them have to any organisation is Aquarius 2 with Doctors without borders.

Yep, I lump Samantha Power and MSF with Soros and other NGOs and official activists who have changed our world for both better and worse.

 

[PocketZeven]

According to the FBI director Christopher Wray, it looks like the White House may have limited the investigation on Kavanaugh.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/kavanaugh-fbi-probe-limit-888667

There's probably more to this, but if it is true, I'm not overly surprised.

When it was anounced I guess everyone could have expected that. The goal of the republican party was to get him on the supreme court no matter what. They already made that clear and since the white house is Republican and already publically stated they believed he was innocent and trump mocking dr. Ford it is only logical that they would limit the scope of the investigation to prove his innocence and not look for evidence if he is guilty.