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When it was anounced I guess everyone could have expected that. The goal of the republican party was to get him on the supreme court no matter what. They already made that clear and since the white house is Republican and already publically stated they believed he was innocent and trump mocking dr. Ford it is only logical that they would limit the scope of the investigation to prove his innocence and not look for evidence if he is guilty.
Yes, the Republicans/Conservatives think they're now in control of the Supreme Court for a generation. But Democrats and liberals are now so furious they want to fight to the bitter end with extreme measures like packing the court, impeachment and likely even violence.
 
kind of true, but it's easy to find sources that don't just blatantly Lie about things people can easily find for them selves to not be the case.
This had me in tears.
Saying that CNN publishes false stories isn't really a guide to where to find these easy to find sources. It seems to be just playing to the crowd with another passing dig at the evil MSM.
 
Saying that CNN publishes false stories isn't really a guide to where to find these easy to find sources. It seems to be just playing to the crowd with another passing dig at the evil MSM.
Yeah but credibility is also a thing when it comes to journalism, it becomes a boy cries wolf moment when they actually have the truth, but chances are more credible sources would have it as well so you don't need to use them.
 
Yeah but credibility is also a thing when it comes to journalism, it becomes a boy cries wolf moment when they actually have the truth, but chances are more credible sources would have it as well so you don't need to use them.
So where are these more credible sources than the discredited MSM? That's all I'm really asking since you said they were easy to find.

This is assuming that CNN is representative of the whole of the MSM in the first place.
 
kind of true, but it's easy to find sources that don't just blatantly Lie about things people can easily find for them selves to not be the case.
This had me in tears.

You are exactly describing Trump. No one I have ever seen in politics lies as much as Trump. And for most of those lies I dont even need to do research. You hear it in his speech pattern and body language. It often contains "believe me" or "I am the most/least ... you have ever seen/you will ever meet". If you need to lie about the smallest things imagine how he is lying about things in a larger scope. Just read through Trumps Op-ed about health care:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-.../fact-checking-donald-trumps-op-ed-usa-today/
 
So where are these more credible sources than the discredited MSM? That's all I'm really asking since you said they were easy to find.

This is assuming that CNN is representative of the whole of the MSM in the first place.
I would rather use multiple then one that creates more words then one, but I wouldn't say CNN represents all MSM using loads is the safest bet.

But that isn't practical for most people.

You are exactly describing Trump. No one I have ever seen in politics lies as much as Trump. And for most of those lies I dont even need to do research. You hear it in his speech pattern and body language. It often contains "believe me" or "I am the most/least ... you have ever seen/you will ever meet". If you need to lie about the smallest things imagine how he is lying about things in a larger scope. Just read through Trumps Op-ed about health care:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-.../fact-checking-donald-trumps-op-ed-usa-today/
But one is the Media the other is a politician a known profession for lying especially pre election.
 
I would rather use multiple then one that creates more words then one, but I wouldn't say CNN represents all MSM using loads is the safest bet.

But that isn't practical for most people.

But one is the Media the other is a politician a known profession for lying especially pre election.
Erm... okay. I'm not really sure what the first part of your sentence actually means but my suspicion is that people are migrating away from TV and print news towards YouTube opinion videos and wingnutty privately run websites whose truth may be a little varnished itself.

(The post following this one being perhaps somewhat of a case in point.)
 
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You are exactly describing Trump. No one I have ever seen in politics lies as much as Trump. And for most of those lies I dont even need to do research. You hear it in his speech pattern and body language. It often contains "believe me" or "I am the most/least ... you have ever seen/you will ever meet". If you need to lie about the smallest things imagine how he is lying about things in a larger scope. Just read through Trumps Op-ed about health care:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-.../fact-checking-donald-trumps-op-ed-usa-today/

You are exactly describing being stupid. Medicare for all would add trillions to our already out of control deficit spending. Currently Medicare spending in the US is close to 1 trillion dollars per year and by the way there is no income cap on the Medicare tax so the more you make the more you pay for the exact same coverage in the end.

PS I could spend all day naming made up bull chit from Politifact from so called "experts"
 
Erm... okay. I'm not really sure what the first part of your sentence actually means but my suspicion is that people are migrating away from TV and print news towards YouTube opinion videos and wingnutty privately run websites whose truth may be a little varnished itself.
It sounded good in my head lol, basically if I find one story I would like to see the same story on another site using it's own source or a different one, is what I mean.

Most online print media will cite the same source through multiple news sites so it's basically telling you the same story though. Most stories that come across through the media though are not really things you would be bothered to do that with as the story itself isn't that crucial to know the full truth as it's video based or the story isn't that meaningful etc.
 
You are exactly describing being stupid. Medicare for all would add trillions to our already out of control deficit spending. Currently Medicare spending in the US is close to 1 trillion dollars per year and by the way there is no income cap on the Medicare tax so the more you make the more you pay for the exact same coverage in the end.

PS I could spend all day naming made up bull chit from Politifact from so called "experts"

Damn man. Dont be so hostile! Medicare for all could easily be funded if not for taxcuts , wallfunding and the increased military budget. Remember that most western countries already have a singlepayer system. Heck even Canada! The high cost estimate is based on the inflated prices for healthcare in the USA, which in part is caused by the free market. A single payer system will bring those costs down even for private insurances. Just compare medical costs in other wealthy countries with the USA. https://www.vox.com/a/health-prices

Remember how Trump promised to take an big pharma? Universal healthcare is how you fight the crazy price differences with the rest of the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/upshot/why-single-payer-health-care-saves-money.html

And I hope you are clever enough to know that more expensive does not equal better quality care.

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I think it is ethically wrong to make huge profits off of sick people. There is a thin line between making a living and appropiate wage and exploitation. Do you want a doctor who made the hipporatic oath to be a doctor because of wanthing to become rich or to help people?

That is how taxes work. You pay more when you earn more. Do you really want rich people pay the same income tax as poor people even though they use the same public resources (maybe even less) as you do? I dont know how this tax is structured, but that is something that easily can be fixed to be fair to all. Implementing a cap to each income bracket shouldnt be hard to reach a bipartisan concensus.

It sounded good in my head lol, basically if I find one story I would like to see the same story on another site using it's own source or a different one, is what I mean.

Most online print media will cite the same source through multiple news sites so it's basically telling you the same story though. Most stories that come across through the media though are not really things you would be bothered to do that with as the story itself isn't that crucial to know the full truth as it's video based or the story isn't that meaningful etc.

If I have doubts around a news story I try to go around msnbc, cnn, ny times, Fox, BBC, Vox, politifacts and the news in my country. Whichever is corrobarated the most and shows the most facts I most likely will believe. The most obvious with msm is when Fox news ignores the topic in their news cycle. Then you can almost certain bet on a story is 100% true. If they try to spin it, then you know there is truth but also some bias in the story and you should dig deeper and then make your own opinion.

So in a sense I see Fox as the news of the MSM. They are the first ones that hold the MSM accountable. So I recommend everyone who is liberal, moderate liberal/conservative to watch fox news as well with important news stories.
 
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Damn man. Dont be so hostile! Medicare for all could easily be funded if not for taxcuts , wallfunding and the increased military budget. Remember that most western countries already have a singlepayer system. Heck even Canada! The high cost estimate is based on the inflated prices for healthcare in the USA, which in part is caused by the free market. A single payer system will bring those costs down even for private insurances. Just compare medical costs in other wealthy countries with the USA. https://www.vox.com/a/health-prices

Remember how Trump promised to take an big pharma? Universal healthcare is how you fight the crazy price differences with the rest of the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/upshot/why-single-payer-health-care-saves-money.html

And I hope you are clever enough to know that more expensive does not equal better quality care.

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I think it is ethically wrong to make huge profits off of sick people. There is a thin line between making a living and appropiate wage and exploitation. Do you want a doctor who made the hipporatic oath to be a doctor because of wanthing to become rich or to help people?

That is how taxes work. You pay more when you earn more. Do you really want rich people pay the same income tax as poor people even though they use the same public resources (maybe even less) as you do? I dont know how this tax is structured, but that is something that easily can be fixed to be fair to all. Implementing a cap to each income bracket shouldnt be hard to reach a bipartisan concensus.



If I have doubts around a news story I try to go around msnbc, cnn, ny times, Fox, BBC, Vox, politifacts and the news in my country. Whichever is corrobarated the most and shows the most facts I most likely will believe. The most obvious with msm is when Fox news ignores the topic in their news cycle. Then you can almost certain bet on a story is 100% true. If they try to spin it, then you know there is truth but also some bias in the story and you should dig deeper and then make your own opinion.

So in a sense I see Fox as the news of the MSM. They are the first ones that hold the MSM accountable. So I recommend everyone who is liberal, moderate liberal/conservative to watch fox news as well with important news stories.
I'm curious to know what your plan would be to convert the United States to single payer healthcare. Do you simply buy all the existing hospitals and then hire all the nurses and doctors at a dramatically reduced rate? Do you think all of the nurses and doctors will come to work for the state at that dramatically reduced rate? What do you do if some hospitals don't want to sell to the government? What would be the cost of purchasing all the medical facilities in the U.S.? Who determines the price of these purchases? What happens to the hundreds of thousands of people and all the infrastructure in the health insurance business? Who compensates them for their losses, both corporate and on an individual level?
 
I'm curious to know what your plan would be to convert the United States to single payer healthcare. Do you simply buy all the existing hospitals and then hire all the nurses and doctors at a dramatically reduced rate? Do you think all of the nurses and doctors will come to work for the state at that dramatically reduced rate? What do you do if some hospitals don't want to sell to the government? What would be the cost of purchasing all the medical facilities in the U.S.? Who determines the price of these purchases? What happens to the hundreds of thousands of people and all the infrastructure in the health insurance business? Who compensates them for their losses, both corporate and on an individual level?

I am not the president so I cant plan it, can I. But arent you canadian? How do you experience Canadian healthcare?
Wouldnt it be a good idea to take elements from the canadian system or any other healthcare system in the western world to try implement the best ideas.

I was not calling for universal Healthcare in my original post by the way. I was criticising the lies and misinformation in Trump's op-ed.
In my personal opinion the USA doenst even need to implement universal healthcare as far as I am concerned. The problem is the inflated cost of healthcare. It isnt normal to pay so much for healthcare. How on earth can you justify it, when the quality of healthcare is not better then other countries.
 
I've mentioned this before, but the reason the healthcare is so expensive in the US is largely due to government involvement. I've worked on the business side on healthcare since 2010 in various facets, so I have a little bit of insight into it.

Medicaid and Medicare have the most asinine rules and policies I've ever seen. They're also confusing and constantly changing. If it was simpler, it could probably work decently well but it just gets more complex every year.

Essentially it dictates a ridiculously long line of treatment that's sometimes unneeded. For example, if you have an illness that requires a specific X drug, Medicaid and Medicare typically say you need to try drug Y & Z before getting drug X. Also while trying drug Y & Z, you need lab tests, several checkup visits, and potentially even a producer. It all adds up really quick and inflates the cost of healthcare.

Medicaid and Medicare will also deny reimbursement to health systems at the drop of a hat. If there's one simple thing wrong with a progress note from a doctor, it can deny the entire thing. The same thing goes if the line of treatment isn't to its guidelines, even if it's non-guideline treatment is better for the patient.

I'm curious to know what your plan would be to convert the United States to single payer healthcare. Do you simply buy all the existing hospitals and then hire all the nurses and doctors at a dramatically reduced rate? Do you think all of the nurses and doctors will come to work for the state at that dramatically reduced rate? What do you do if some hospitals don't want to sell to the government? What would be the cost of purchasing all the medical facilities in the U.S.? Who determines the price of these purchases? What happens to the hundreds of thousands of people and all the infrastructure in the health insurance business? Who compensates them for their losses, both corporate and on an individual level?

It's probably even more difficult than that. Many health systems are owned and ran by the state they're in since they're linked to a public university. I'm sure there'd be a case of states rights involved with that and it would ultimately end up a Constitutional fight.
 
I've mentioned this before, but the reason the healthcare is so expensive in the US is largely due to government involvement. I've worked on the business side on healthcare since 2010 in various facets, so I have a little bit of insight into it.

Medicaid and Medicare have the most asinine rules and policies I've ever seen. They're also confusing and constantly changing. If it was simpler, it could probably work decently well but it just gets more complex every year.

Essentially it dictates a ridiculously long line of treatment that's sometimes unneeded. For example, if you have an illness that requires a specific X drug, Medicaid and Medicare typically say you need to try drug Y & Z before getting drug X. Also while trying drug Y & Z, you need lab tests, several checkup visits, and potentially even a producer. It all adds up really quick and inflates the cost of healthcare.

Medicaid and Medicare will also deny reimbursement to health systems at the drop of a hat. If there's one simple thing wrong with a progress note from a doctor, it can deny the entire thing. The same thing goes if the line of treatment isn't to its guidelines, even if it's non-guideline treatment is better for the patient.



It's probably even more difficult than that. Many health systems are owned and ran by the state they're in since they're linked to a public university. I'm sure there'd be a case of states rights involved with that and it would ultimately end up a Constitutional fight.

Yeah I remember that conversation. It explained how inefficient the USA is compared to other countries.
But dont you agree a single payer system will put pressure on healthcare to reorganize to make it more efficient? The worst culprit of inflated prices are big pharma.
 
I'm curious to know what your plan would be to convert the United States to single payer healthcare. Do you simply buy all the existing hospitals and then hire all the nurses and doctors at a dramatically reduced rate? Do you think all of the nurses and doctors will come to work for the state at that dramatically reduced rate? What do you do if some hospitals don't want to sell to the government? What would be the cost of purchasing all the medical facilities in the U.S.? Who determines the price of these purchases? What happens to the hundreds of thousands of people and all the infrastructure in the health insurance business? Who compensates them for their losses, both corporate and on an individual level?
I mean, I personally would do what has already been suggested several times over. Take all the welfare being spent on healthcare, pool it and create medicare for all and have that be the single payer system. Private hospitals, DRs, RNs have no need to be bought out. They will get paid just like they do now with the typical insurance company. Hell, if people or employers want to get/offer insurance above and beyond a set national policy, they can offer it from a private company.
As much as people dont want the gov involved in their health I dont want a mega Corp involved in mine.
 
I'm curious to know what your plan would be to convert the United States to single payer healthcare. Do you simply buy all the existing hospitals and then hire all the nurses and doctors at a dramatically reduced rate? Do you think all of the nurses and doctors will come to work for the state at that dramatically reduced rate? What do you do if some hospitals don't want to sell to the government? What would be the cost of purchasing all the medical facilities in the U.S.? Who determines the price of these purchases? What happens to the hundreds of thousands of people and all the infrastructure in the health insurance business? Who compensates them for their losses, both corporate and on an individual level?

To add to my post. I dont think you understand how it works. A single payer system means that health insurance is regulated, not the hospitals. The insurance have more bargaining power in such a system on especially pricing. It will force hospitals, pharmaceutical companies to work more cost efficient. But in essence it also works in a way that the healthy majority pay for the unhealthy minority. No need for gofundme pages of people who cant afford decent healthcare.

To be clear, my country has multi payer healthcare and we still are all covered and pay less then the USA have. The government negotiates the prices with the insurance carriers and in turn the insurance companies will negotiate with doctors, hospitals, pharma etc.
 
I may need to borrow @TexRex's ROFLMAO emoji.
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You are exactly describing being stupid.
Right? Either Trump is stupid for thinking the addition of "believe me" or "I am the most/least ... you have ever seen/you will ever meet" somehow validates his remarks on the topic he's addressing or he thinks his supporters stupid enough to actually believe it. Yeah...no...no "either/or"; in all likelihood it's a mixture of the two.
 
Right? Either Trump is stupid for thinking the addition of "believe me" or "I am the most/least ... you have ever seen/you will ever meet" somehow validates his remarks on the topic he's addressing or he thinks his supporters stupid enough to actually believe it. Yeah...no...no "either/or"; in all likelihood it's a mixture of the two.

He was referring to me. To be clear to all who might think I am liberal. As far as in US politics one might put me on the left side of things. In my country I am a moderate right (which still is left in the USA). I dont automatically disagree with republican policy, my problem is that it seems to me there is no moderate voice anymore within the party, because they are forced to act as a united front behind trump. (like McCain was) Imagine being a smart republican politician who does want to move the country forward, but being forced by McConnel and co to fall in line behind someone like Trump?!?

With the democratic party there seems to be division between the moderate and the social democrats. They however are too scared to split in to 2 parties, because they will loose any majority in the goverment.
 
Let us not forget that the stated position of the Democrats was to oppose any nomination by Trump at all, regardless of whom, by any means necessary.

I guess it started by blocking M. Garland. It just blows my mind that for such an important postition the 2 parties cant find a candidate the majority in both parties would like.
 
I guess it started by blocking M. Garland. It just blows my mind that for such an important postition the 2 parties cant find a candidate the majority in both parties would like.
With the level of hyper partisanship that surrounds American politics the days I cant see anything of any consequence getting done on a national level going forward unless one party controls all 3 levels of government. The only thing that will bring them together and only temporarily, is a crisis.
 
Let us not forget that the stated position of the Democrats was to oppose any nomination by Trump at all, regardless of whom, by any means necessary.

It may be worth mentioning, that Neil Gorsuch was confirmed to the Supreme Court by the senate, 54-45. While the majority of senators, including ALL Republican senators voted along party lines there were three dissenting democrats, who voted yes. And perhaps more interesting, both independents also voted no.

While Obama probably couldn't have hoped for more without control of the upper house, his pick of Merrick Garland, a moderate conservative, would have been a mild compromise.

Brett Kavanaugh, his political ideology and his blatant, emotional, partisan rant at the hearings, was never going to endear him to any democrats, whether there was any truth to the sexual predator allegations or not.
 
With the level of hyper partisanship that surrounds American politics the days I cant see anything of any consequence getting done on a national level going forward unless one party controls all 3 levels of government. The only thing that will bring them together and only temporarily, is a crisis.

Perhaps the midterm elections will bring some needed change.

It may be worth mentioning, that Neil Gorsuch was confirmed to the Supreme Court by the senate, 54-45. While the majority of senators, including ALL Republican senators voted along party lines there were three dissenting democrats, who voted yes. And perhaps more interesting, both independents also voted no.

While Obama probably couldn't have hoped for more without control of the upper house, his pick of Merrick Garland, a moderate conservative, would have been a mild compromise.

Brett Kavanaugh, his political ideology and his blatant, emotional, partisan rant at the hearings, was never going to endear him to any democrats, whether there was any truth to the sexual predator allegations or not.

That was what I was pointing out. In a sense Trump is inadvertedly doing what he promised, building a wall (that is dividing the left and the right.)
 
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That was what I was pointing out. In a sense Trump is inadvertedly doing what he promised, building a wall (that is dividing the left and the right.)

I see Trump (and saw Hillary) more as manifestations of a wall that voters have been building for a while.
 
But dont you agree a single payer system will put pressure on healthcare to reorganize to make it more efficient? The worst culprit of inflated prices are big pharma.

I don't think it would make it more efficient, this is the US government after all - probably one of the least efficient machines on the planet.

Typically something under government control gets a ton of red tape and bloat that just bogs it down. It also delays implementing new things as well. A few years back, we were switching our diagnosis codes to ICD-10. This is something the Dutch implemented in 1994. It took the US until 2015 to decide to wanted it, despite giving a better diagnosis and allowing for more precise medical billing. Even then, the government wanted to wait on something that was a world standard since about 2002.

The same thing goes for an electronic medical record system. Most major healthcare systems use one of three big software vendors for their EMRs. Also, the government more or less mandates that health systems use something electronic as well. So what does the government use? A clunky, antiquated, home built system that's garbage and barely passes for a modern EMR. It's only just now working to implement a modern EMR and it's slated to take upwards of 10 years to do it. Nevermind the last health system I worked for did the same sort of conversion in about 8 months and that included switching to brand new hardware and building everything from scratch.

As far as inflate pharma prices go, that is an issue. But I believe that's due to the fact it's illegal to import drugs. If I could take my prescription and fill it online from somewhere like India, the drugs would be a fraction of the price. There's also the way patents work, but that's another discussion entirely. I get you should get a patent for a set length of time, but renewing that patent because you added some inert ingredient to it seems suspect to me. Allowing more drugs to hit the open market would ultimately lower the cost of drugs altogether since there would be actual competition. As of right now, it's pretty much a monopoly.
 
I don't think it would make it more efficient, this is the US government after all - probably one of the least efficient machines on the planet.

Typically something under government control gets a ton of red tape and bloat that just bogs it down. It also delays implementing new things as well. A few years back, we were switching our diagnosis codes to ICD-10. This is something the Dutch implemented in 1994. It took the US until 2015 to decide to wanted it, despite giving a better diagnosis and allowing for more precise medical billing. Even then, the government wanted to wait on something that was a world standard since about 2002.

The same thing goes for an electronic medical record system. Most major healthcare systems use one of three big software vendors for their EMRs. Also, the government more or less mandates that health systems use something electronic as well. So what does the government use? A clunky, antiquated, home built system that's garbage and barely passes for a modern EMR. It's only just now working to implement a modern EMR and it's slated to take upwards of 10 years to do it. Nevermind the last health system I worked for did the same sort of conversion in about 8 months and that included switching to brand new hardware and building everything from scratch.

As far as inflate pharma prices go, that is an issue. But I believe that's due to the fact it's illegal to import drugs. If I could take my prescription and fill it online from somewhere like India, the drugs would be a fraction of the price. There's also the way patents work, but that's another discussion entirely. I get you should get a patent for a set length of time, but renewing that patent because you added some inert ingredient to it seems suspect to me. Allowing more drugs to hit the open market would ultimately lower the cost of drugs altogether since there would be actual competition. As of right now, it's pretty much a monopoly.

It seems that healthcare needs an overhaul with the government, insurance companies, hospitals etc. to work more efficient with each other. At least learning from other countries and picking the best ideas.

Healthcare in any system just should not be as expensive as it is in the USA.
 
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When it was anounced I guess everyone could have expected that. The goal of the republican party was to get him on the supreme court no matter what. They already made that clear and since the white house is Republican and already publically stated they believed he was innocent and trump mocking dr. Ford it is only logical that they would limit the scope of the investigation to prove his innocence and not look for evidence if he is guilty.

I would like to ask you the very same question that Lindsey Graham asked Chuck Schumer. You know all about Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees. There are 21 names on the list including Trump's current supreme court justices (Kavanaugh and Gorsuch). Who on the list would you find acceptable to be a successor to Anthony Kennedy?
 
Perhaps the midterm elections will bring some needed change.

Hard to say, but for me personally it started with the then candidate Trump and the Wall.
The mid-terms won't make the slightest difference. This move to hyper partisanship goes far beyond politicians, it's a complete cultural shift brought about, IMO, by social media, the 24 hour news cycle and the explosion of the internet. Before social media and the easily available internet, most of what we heard from politicians and about the political process was filtered through the mainstream media. Presidents would go on tv and make speeches, pop up on a talk show here or there and that was it. Same with run of the mill politicians but you'd see them much more rarely. We heard about the big stuff and that was about it. Social media gives everyone a voice and the problem with that is, people won't shut up:sly:. Everyone gets involved, everyone is pressured to be on the camera all the time, everything is recorded for posterity and everything is analyzed as if it's of biblical importance. Minor slip ups are catastrophes and bucking political correctness is often a career ender for all but a few. 10 years ago or more you had no idea what most politicians did or said or ate or thought or crapped out unless it was a very important issue and even then, they'd be lucky to get in a sentence or two on the nightly news.

Before you take it the wrong way, I'm not blaming social media etc. perse or the people who run those avenues of engagement, it is what it is, but it's completely changed our level of knowledge of the goings on of the political sphere and made everything much more personal. That's a genie that's not going back in the bottle. The partisanship you see was always there, it's just more immediate, more here and now than it ever was.

EDIT: You asked earlier about my impressions of the Canadian healthcare system. I don't think you want my impression of the healthcare system because I don't think you'll believe anything I have to say about it. I've been intimately involved with the system through my father's struggles the last couple of decades and frankly, I don't think you'd believe any of my anecdotes. I'm sure some people have wonderful experiences to report. I also do service work in the local hospitals so I know something about the infrastructure, levels of maintenance carried out and budget restraint issues they have to deal with.
 
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I would like to ask you the very same question that Lindsey Graham asked Chuck Schumer. You know all about Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees. There are 21 names on the list including Trump's current supreme court justices (Kavanaugh and Gorsuch). Who on the list would you find acceptable to be a successor to Anthony Kennedy?

I guess you didnt read my earlier posts. I had no particular opinion with Kavanaugh. I just found his statement during the hearing too partisan for a supreme court justice.

The mid-terms won't make the slightest difference. This move to hyper partisanship goes far beyond politicians, it's a complete cultural shift brought about, IMO, by social media, the 24 hour news cycle and the explosion of the internet. Before social media and the easily available internet, most of what we heard from politicians and about the political process was filtered through the mainstream media. Presidents would go on tv and make speeches, pop up on a talk show here or there and that was it. Same with run of the mill politicians but you'd see them much more rarely. We heard about the big stuff and that was about it. Social media gives everyone a voice and the problem with that is, people won't shut up:sly:. Everyone gets involved, everyone is pressured to be on the camera all the time, everything is recorded for posterity and everything is analyzed as if it's of biblical importance. Minor slip ups are catastrophes and bucking political correctness is often a career ender for all but a few. 10 years ago or more you had no idea what most politicians did or said or ate or thought or crapped out unless it was a very important issue and even then, they'd be lucky to get in a sentence or two on the nightly news.

Before you take it the wrong way, I'm not blaming social media etc. perse or the people who run those avenues of engagement, it is what it is, but it's completely changed our level of knowledge of the goings on of the political sphere and made everything much more personal. That's a genie that's not going back in the bottle. The partisanship you see was always there, it's just more immediate, more here and now than it ever was.

My point with the midterm was that a shift in the balance of power might wake up some moderate republicans who are also not a fan of Trump (who definately are out there) to try and work together with Democrats.

But I agree Social Media and internet has never such an impact as before.
 
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