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Which one?
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When the result isn't even a full percent?
Does anyone have the full results?
Whatever the dominant blood line is, is what she is.
Or let me guess, I can claim I'm a Viking even though my main blood line is British French and Hungarian(white).
I haven't done a blood test, just going off the family tree...
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The relevance of heritage is subjective. I dont care if I am 100% pure or 70%. but I can imagine that some extremists expect 100% purity. As for the relevance with Warren, it was Trump that made a big deal about it. And in my opinion if I was 1% african, I would tell others that I have 1% african heritage. That doesnt change anything for me or others, but it does start an interesting conversation. Apparantly we all have african heritage anyways.
@Johnnypenso would it have made a difference for you or Trump if she had 8% heritage?
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Hang on...you've repeatedly taken issue with me quoting you, and now you go and quote me out of the blue?
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But seriously, why as little as a full percent and not more? Why not less?
[Regarding full results] Presumably.*
Do you define dominant as a unique identifier meeting or exceeding a certain percentage of the whole in addition to having a higher percentage than others, or merely the unique identifier with the highest percentage out of all unique identifiers? If the former, what percentage is that and why? If the latter, does having no unique identifier greater than 3% mean that an individual's heritage actually corresponds to that identifier or could it be that the issue is a bit more nuanced than that?
And what's with the dual fallacies (counterfactual and appeal to hypocrisy) in that last remark?
I sure hope you appreciate my leaving your post whole instead of splitting it up to address each point, it was very difficult for me to do and, well, I fail to see how it's really any better.
*Edit to add. It sure would have been easier to manually parse my response to specific points, that way I'd have been sure I addressed everything that required a response.
When's that?
The non-answers remind me of an exchange from How I Met Your Mother that I found humorous. See...Marshall thinks Ted is moving too fast with Stella, so he asks for details about her such as her interests and physical characteristics to illustrate that to him and Ted just dodges:
Marshall: "What color are her eyes?"
Ted: "The color of the ocean after a storm."
Marshall: "Which is?"
Ted: "Beautiful."
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Maybe I'm not understanding what you're getting at here. Are you trying to work through a legal case against Donald Trump regarding whether she has met his criteria for paying up? Or are you trying to figure out whether the public should be hard on her for bogus claims? Because I can't give you a specific number where the public will suddenly say "oh, you're 10.1% victim, that's counts. I thought you said 9.9%, that wouldn't". But she's not exactly close to the line. This is a no-brainer scenario.
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I took issue with you quoting me on a lot of posts, even mocking me without quoting me. As you just said, "out of the blue".
Do you think 1% is enough to claim that is what you are?
There is claiming you are Cherokee and saying you have a trace of Cherokee blood.
They have a different way of acknowledging if you are truly part of their tribe.
She could of handled this better by actually contacting a tribe than using 21 and me or whatever.
Again, does anyone have the FULL results regardless?
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On a side note, let's say a black person has white blood. Why do we still call them black?
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While I agree she did prove she has Native American blood and thus "won" the bet, she's really not Native American by any measure.
Somehow I have 1.1% Native American DNA per my 23andMe test, how that came to be is something that's a bit puzzling. I don't claim to be Native American though.
That's a little different. Black and white are referring to skin color, not heritage. You can be a white African or a black Norwegian.
Somehow I have 1.1% Native American DNA per my 23andMe test, how that came to be is something that's a bit puzzling. I don't claim to be Native American though.
That's a little different. Black and white are referring to skin color, not heritage. You can be a white African or a black Norwegian.
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It absolutely doenst matter at all if she has indian heritage or not. It does not influence her as a politician or as a person. The only person that made a big deal out of it is Trump. And he started it by promising to offer 1 million dollars for proof of heritage. and 0.1 is still more then 0%. So Trump brought it on himself. He did not state it in a private conversation, but he promised at a rallt, in front of thousands of live public and millions of TV watchers at home, that if he promised that he would offer 1 million dollars to a charity if she could prove she had indian heritage (he said indian, but Warren's claim was indian heritage in the first place and not being Indian)
You dont have to call that person black. that is what you chose to call him, you could also just call that person american. That person could also be from Italy so in that case he would be Italian. If you adress his ethnicity then he is an american with african heritage and perhaps some other heritage in there.
The point was never if Warren is Indian or not. That what Trump was yelling in his tirades. She only claimed she had indian heritage.
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In the US, to claim native heritage is a method to gain advantage in admittance to prestigious universities, political organizations and the like. I'm not the one to say if she's used this trick on her way up the ladder. But it is undoubtedly a blot on her escutcheon to have made this highly exaggerated assertion. If it were not for this one boast, she would have been considered a favorite for the next Democratic presidential nomination. As it stands, she is tarnished. As far as other female Dems go, I have my eye on Tulsi Gabbard.
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It's the BS claim to [random] heritage that I'm interested in. Not what it is, or Trumps response. I'm interested in the fact that she lied about it and has proven it.
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The more people learn about anthropology and actually study and learn about movement and migration of modern humans, not just over the last 300-400 years, but over the last 1,000 years, 5,000 years, 10,000 or more years, the more we realize how inadequate most of our modern day conceptions are about our 'origin' and background. I find it very amusing when people purport to be 25% this and 50% that, nearly always defined by modern day political boundaries.
For the vast majority of people, a DNA test, and having the results explained and interpreted by somebody qualified to do so, would be quite an eye opener. And the world is usually a much smaller place when it happens.
For the vast majority of people, a DNA test, and having the results explained and interpreted by somebody qualified to do so, would be quite an eye opener. And the world is usually a much smaller place when it happens.
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In the US, to claim native heritage is a method to gain advantage in admittance to prestigious universities, political organizations and the like. I'm not the one to say if she's used this trick on her way up the ladder. But it is undoubtedly a blot on her escutcheon to have made this highly exaggerated assertion. If it were not for this one boast, she would have been considered a favorite for the next Democratic presidential nomination. As it stands, she is tarnished. As far as other female Dems go, I have my eye on Tulsi Gabbard.
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Tarnished just by saying she had indian heritage? I dont think I need to tell you what Trump has done or said in the past and it didnt stop him from becoming president. She is way better then Hillary and cant find any other reason why she should not run.
Your eye on her, because she is hot? Or am i being sexist?
But in all seriousness, she does ticks a lot boxes. Military experience, mixed heritage, female, progressive. Only thing that is negative about her, is that she is a vegetarian.
Dont know her political trackrecord though.
In fact she did not lie. But if you still consider it a Lie (because of the low %), I can imagine if she was told by her family she had indian heritage from early age she may had the misconception that she was by no fault of her own.
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One of the very best things about her is her political track record of working well and successfully across the aisle. At this time of great divisiveness, it's a huge asset, making her of great, perhaps crucial, interest to independents. Maybe her greatest handicap is her father, who was in the past something of a religious nut job.But in all seriousness, she does ticks a lot boxes. Military experience, mixed heritage, female, progressive. Only thing that is negative about her, is that she is a vegetarian.
Dont know her political trackrecord though.
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Yea.... she probably didn't realize that she was 1/1 billionth whatever based on the fact that she didn't see it anywhere in her family tree. Politics had nothing to do with the bogus claim.
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Did he?
He wasn't the one who made the claim.
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Maybe! But many others on the market are much, much too old. Gabbard is multi-term reelected congresswoman, 37 now but in her mid-forties for the 2024 election cycle. The Dems are, right now, in a real dither as to policy and people to run. Tulsi has the makings of a very strong candidate with broad appeal, left, right and center. Heck, she might even appeal to certain old libertarians!
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She isnt the one talking about it at political rallies and on TV or is she? It apparantly originated during an election debate with scott brown. They probably couldnt find any other dirt on her and they found that apparantly she checked a box on an application form that she had indian heritage. She herself did not use it for political means. And it has already been debunked she used it to advance her career.
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So you're telling me that if I go to YouTube or search her job history I won't find any mention out of her mouth or by her hand of her "native heritage"?
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She self-identified as a native american at Harvard and, as a result, became listed as a minority in the school. I'll admit that in searching for her use of it I found less than I expected. She listed as a minority because of family stories (which are apparently bogus). It's hard to know for sure whether she knew that she had no real Native American heritage and that the stories were bunk. It still looks to me like she was trying to obtain political gain from it, but I've been too hard on her in this thread (a little).
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Dont know. I didnt look. I only tried to find out the origin of the whole thing. If you find some videos please share them. That still doesnt change that Trump made a big dealt out of it, where others dont seem to care if she is 0.1% or 100% indian.
It was wrong of her to check that box that she was of indian heritage, without doing proper due diligence. But it hardly is a scandal. In the limited research I did on it, it did not have enough influence on the advancement of her career to call it a scandal.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-pocahontas/index.html
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This shows a dramatic misunderstanding of racial tension in the US as well as how low of a bar there needs to be for something to become a political scandal.
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Those dna results does not make her native american. My ancestry dna results included 10% from Italy and 5% from Iran.
This does not make me Italian or Iranian.
I dont speak Italian neither do I know about their culture or their customs and values. Plus the only thing that I know about Italy is Lamborghini, Ferrari, Roman Empire and its WW2 history.
This does not make me Italian or Iranian.
I dont speak Italian neither do I know about their culture or their customs and values. Plus the only thing that I know about Italy is Lamborghini, Ferrari, Roman Empire and its WW2 history.
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I guess you missed some posts. She never claimed being an indian. She only claimed being of indian heritage. Like you have iranian and italian heritage. It was Trump who said she thinks that she is Indian, calling her Pocahontas. read this article for the facts:
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-pocahontas/index.html
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Interesting how mixed people can be. Well im from Australia but my parents are from Turkey.
Turkey is a bridge between Europe and Asia its no surpising that the country is so mixed country while at the same time their language comes from Central Asia mixed in with Arabic and Persian words.
Iran comes as no surprise to be honest because the Persians conquered and settled in Anatolia. Many people dont know that Turks are Muslim today Islamic missionary activity done by Iranians because of this Iranians also spread their culture among the Turks leading to the Turco-Persian tradition where the Seljuks took this to Anatolia.
Usa's Dna basically is from every nation from European, African, Asian, Middle Eastern, Native American to Central and South American. Quite a mix to be honest.
Turkey is a bridge between Europe and Asia its no surpising that the country is so mixed country while at the same time their language comes from Central Asia mixed in with Arabic and Persian words.
Iran comes as no surprise to be honest because the Persians conquered and settled in Anatolia. Many people dont know that Turks are Muslim today Islamic missionary activity done by Iranians because of this Iranians also spread their culture among the Turks leading to the Turco-Persian tradition where the Seljuks took this to Anatolia.
Usa's Dna basically is from every nation from European, African, Asian, Middle Eastern, Native American to Central and South American. Quite a mix to be honest.
