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- TexRex72
Then give up. Now I'm suggesting you do so. You've adopted an "I'm just gonna leave this here" attitude, only to posture defensively when others acknowledge what you've left.
It's funny...you accuse others of piling up on the things you say, but you fail to acknowledge when others get piled on because you disagree with what they have to say. It's even funnier that you join in on it.
I've thus far declined to point out your repeatedly saying you're ignoring me since the last time you said it--the time just before you accosted me and cussed at me for quoting Stacey Abrams as a response to someone else--because I had hopes you'd come around and actually make an effort, but now I think you ought to actually ignore me. In fact, unless your response to this is an attempt to further discussion instead of play victim as you're so inclined, my response to it and all subsequent attempts to address me will begin with "I thought you were ignoring me" before I actually respond to what it is you've said.
*gasp*
Shudder at the thought!
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- ryzno
I do ignore your posts, till you quote me most of the time .
I've asked you to leave me alone and you don't.
I don't have to block you to ignore you.
And trust me I'm not looking for a echo chamber of all places here. I don't need a magnifying glass to see the majority disagree with me politically.
I have a few closed groups on FB for that.
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- TexRex72
I thought you were ignoring me.
Now for my response to what you actually said:
"Trust you"? All I have to do is observe your posts and your propensity for hissy fits should anyone object to what it is you've said. You could explain yourself, establishing foundations for the opinions that you have, but instead you make assertions and them seemingly "brace for impact".
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- ryzno
How many times do I have to say I'm not really good at explaining why to things. I guess I should just shut up cause you don't like that fact? I've had this conversation with Imari, Danoff and others(both of whom I respect). Danoff even joked later on he had a ryzno translator. Why can't you just accept I'm me and move on?I thought you were ignoring me.
Now for my response to what you actually said:
"Trust you"? All I have to do is observe your posts and your propensity for hissy fits should anyone object to what it is you've said. You could explain yourself, establishing foundations for the opinions that you have, but instead you make assertions and them seemingly "brace for impact".
I'm sure EVERYONE would appreciate it.
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- ryzno
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- Johnnypenso
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- ryzno
I doubt it, but I hope we don't stoop that low.
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Apparantly this is a weird one. First TMZ claimed it was his estranged wife. Then the (ex) wife denied the allegations. Then TMZ claimed it was another women. Then it came to light that Jacob Wohl (from the false Mueller assault ellegation) was involved in a framejob. Remember this isnt an allegation coming from a woman coming out, but a story reported by TMZ.
This is also bad news for him:
https://nypost.com/2018/11/16/michael-avenattis-law-practice-evicted-from-offices/
Mr whataboutism going at it again. 2 unrelated cases and with very little similarities being compared again.
To be fair. People dont always need an explaination to think something. There are enough religious people who have faith in some imaginary allmighty being. But I respect them nonetheless.
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Jacob Wohl was involved in a frame job or this frame job?
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- ryzno
I found it interesting the story died as quick as is got out with no updates.
TMZ is known for holding onto stories.(they held onto a video of Justin Biber saying something racist) he was getting to the peak of becoming a rapper and now you see he went back to his boy band ways after TMZ aired it some 5 or so years later.
They are also known to be very incorrect when they rush out a story. They said Aretha Franklin died 2or3 days before she actually died.
I don't know if they rushed it and it's legit or a sign the left is eating themselves alive from the inside out or what their motivation is.
Only update I can find is Stormy supporting him unless the allegations are true and she'll fire him.
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I didn't ask who he was I asked if he was involved in "a frame job" or this frame job. You brought his name up in connection with this Avenatti case so I assume you've found a link of some kind to a frame up on his part in that particular case. If you click on the "show this thread" link in the tweet, whoever Jon Passantino is, is clearly linking to a Buzzfeed story on Avenatti. CJ Rosenbaum works for Buzzfeed. So same question. Do you have a link that Jacob Wohl is involved in any kind of frame job in this case?
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Interesting though that surefire intelligence tweets that they "strike again". I would assume he is claiming responsibility.
It already was confirmed surefire intelligence=Jacob Wohl and is responsible for the framejob on Mueller.
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The inference from the Tweet is that they are claiming some kind of involvement. However, you are asserting that it is a frame up so I'm looking for evidence that their involvement with the Avenattic case is a frame-up.
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Evidence 1:
Surefire intelligence:
https://crooksandliars.com/2018/10/what-surefire-intelligence-and-why-does-0
Evidence 2:
Mueller accusation was a framejob
Evidence 3:
Wohl claims the victim was a live in girlfriend of 6/7 months. These details werent known prior to his statement.
https://hillreporter.com/exclusive-jacob-wohl-speaks-out-about-michael-avenattis-arrest-14645
Evidence 4:
The original accusation was that he assaulted his ex-wife. Both have officially denied the alligations.
I am assuming using based on the evidence I found. If you can provide evidence it isnt a framejob we might find out the real story.
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Not nearly as many times as you have.
On the contrary, I'm trying to get you to say more, not less.
Now see, that's where this bumps for me.
You were insisting that Abrams called votes/voters/Kemp (I'm still kind of lost with regards to that, but whatever) "evil", prompting another to request the exact quote and then add that it's doubtful that Abrams came right out and said, in so few words, what you're suggesting she said.
I responded directly to the request for the exact quote with the exact quote, as well as with an open acknowledgement that that was the only occasion on which she used the exact word, on the off chance that it was another phrase that provoked your reaction. I also posted the source material for others to observe, as well as the time at which the exact quote I provided could be observed.
Here's where it gets good:
Despite the fact that I didn't address you, in fact that I bypassed you completely in my actions, you decided to respond to me directly (I got an alert indicating that you'd quoted my post). In responding to me directly, rather than addressing the material I provided, you opted to accost me by suggesting that I misheard the quote as opposed to misinterpreting it (which is odd given that your opinion is based on the interpretation of words and not the words themselves).
Care to make an attempt to justify the course of action that you took?
To be clear, this is intended to be taken as a factual account of what transpired and is not an opinion subject to interpretation.
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With regards to your "opinion" that Abrams meant what you said she meant, I'm done and am confident in my belief that you observed it from a heavily biased perspective and assumed that a Democrat using the word "evil", in any context, was so obviously using the word to describe Republicans. I'm confident in this belief because of your continued reluctance to explain how you came about your interpretation.
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I'm asking about this incident with Avenatti. Neither of the links you provided establish that there was any frame up by Wohl against Avenatti. I'm not making any claims so there's no need for me to provide any evidence. I can't prove a negative anyway. The second link even says, "[Avenatti] has yet to provide any details for his assumptions that Wohl was involved though".
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- Johnnypenso
Trump is trying to get the "most sweeping set of changes to the federal criminal justice system since the 1990s" passed in the lame duck session.
The measure, which could go to a vote during the lame-duck session of Congress between now and January, contains several changes to the way the federal government treats drug offenders, both those who are in prison now and those who will face a judge in the future.
If it is passed, thousands of federal prisoners would have access to more help preparing for life after the end of their sentences. Thousands of well-behaved prisoners would win freedom earlier. And thousands of people who are arrested for drug crimes in the future would become eligible for exemptions from harsh mandatory minimum sentencing laws.
Still, the bill stops short of what many reformers say is needed to curb prison spending, relieve staff shortages and overcrowding, and make the justice system fairer. That is why they say the First Step Act is exactly that: a start.
It even has the backing of the NY Times Editorial Board, no small feat in this highly partisan era, although it's behind a paywall so I won't link it.
The measure, which could go to a vote during the lame-duck session of Congress between now and January, contains several changes to the way the federal government treats drug offenders, both those who are in prison now and those who will face a judge in the future.
If it is passed, thousands of federal prisoners would have access to more help preparing for life after the end of their sentences. Thousands of well-behaved prisoners would win freedom earlier. And thousands of people who are arrested for drug crimes in the future would become eligible for exemptions from harsh mandatory minimum sentencing laws.
Still, the bill stops short of what many reformers say is needed to curb prison spending, relieve staff shortages and overcrowding, and make the justice system fairer. That is why they say the First Step Act is exactly that: a start.
It even has the backing of the NY Times Editorial Board, no small feat in this highly partisan era, although it's behind a paywall so I won't link it.
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Surefire intelligence claiming responsibility is enough evidence to suspect it to be a framjob. But I agree it isnt definate proof. However he is still innocent untill proven guilty.
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They didn't claim responsibility. The links you provided clarified that.
“Just to be in jest, not anything serious,” Wohl told us after we asked him why he tweeted such a comment. “Just in jest, yeah… sarcastic remark… joke,” he continued.
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Yes they did though and then backtracked.
And then shared information (5/6 month live in girlfriend), which wasnt public at the time. suggesting he knows, more then he was leading on. Did you read the complete article?
Why do you refute the original claim, but apparently believe the backtracking?
To be clear it is a theory. I am not claiming it to be fact or did so in the post you originally reacted on. Avenatti believed Surefire to be responsible for a framejob, but without a victim it is hard to corroborate any theory at all.
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Is it me or does JohnnyP always reacting assuming I have some democrat Agenda or biased against the right?
To be clear I am this in my country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy#Ideology_and_issues
I am considered centre right. a liberal society with a conservative look on economy.
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- TexRex72
I don't have the foggiest idea.
I was surprised*, however, that the "joke" wasn't deemed to have gone "beyond the traditional level of exaggeration one might find in satire".
*Or I would have been in the absence of glaringly obvious bias.
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You should probably be aware that the US Democratic party would be considered pretty solidly in the centre and even a bit to the right in many other parts of the world. Probably why your world view matches up so well with them.
The US Democratic party is on the left only in relation to their only true opponent, the US Republicans. There's obviously variation within the party, Bernie Sanders is probably a good example of about how far left it goes without becoming fringe, and Hillary is definitely right of centre.
Remember that the US is profoundly anti-socialist. They've had decades of being at war with Communism, for all the good that's done anyone. The Red Scare was totally a thing. There's a whole range of the political spectrum that is basically a non-starter in the US, simply because of history and how the population has been trained to see it. Hence the furthest left you'll see a mainstream political party go in the US is not that far left, compared to other countries that are more open to socialism or communism-based policies or governance.
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A good episode of last week tonightexaining much better then me, what I have been worrying about concerning Trump. Without being accused of calling trump is hitler (which I never did)
Edit: Video may contain profanity
Edit: Video may contain profanity
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While I haven't watched it and therefore can't be positive it's an issue, experience tells me that this is full of profanity and you should probably warn people of this (according to the AUP).
