America - The Official Thread

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Venari
Since his Missus is at Mar-a-Largo and he's at The White House*, that's probably the only erection he could try for.

* He now can't leave the WH because he put the government in shutdown and he has to be escorted by Secret Service**... who aren't being paid and thus can't escort him anywhere.

** Actually, they can because reasons, but it would look really bad, and I suspect since 'looking bad' is just about the only thing Trump really doesn't want to do (even though he's practically incapable of looking good) he probably won't go.
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I think personal protection details would come under "life and limb" protection, something that isn't usually affected. Not sure how the interpretation of that works in a full furlough. I'm not sure if Air Force One would be grounded either - doesn't that come out of an Air Force budget, albeit an obviously specific one?
 
Rallywagon
In my area most are blaming the president. Most thought the wall idea was stupid to begin with and at this point only see the wall as Trump trying to erect a monument to himself.
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What? "In my area"? What does that mean: your house, your block, your neighbourhood, your town, your state? Have you scientifically polled everyone?

This brings to mind a conversation I overheard at a student bar in Ann Arbor back in 2000. One student was telling his buddy that he was sure that Ralph Nader was going to win the presidency, because everyone he knew was going to vote for him. I kind of felt bad for the kid ... :rolleyes:
 
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Biggles
What? "In my area"? What does that mean: your house, your block, your neighbourhood, your town, your state? Have you scientifically polled everyone?

This brings to mind a conversation I overheard at a student bar in Ann Arbor back in 2000. One student was telling how buddy that he was sure that Ralph Nader was going to win the presidency, because everyone he knew was going to vote for him. I kind of felt bad for the kid ... :rolleyes:
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My area would be just that. My area. My friends. My family. My co workers, the area's I haunt. Thats all.
For the record, my area was proportionately as vague as pockets. I never said or implied some sort of scientific consensus or anything of the sort.
 
Rallywagon
My area would be just that. My area. My friends. My family. My co workers, the area's I haunt. Thats all.
For the record, my area was proportionately as vague as pockets. I never said or implied some sort of scientific consensus or anything of the sort.
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In other words: your acquaintances? I'm wondering if you believe there has been some shift in the general feeling, because as far as I can tell pro-Trumpers (still) LOVE the wall.
 
Biggles
In other words: your acquaintances? I'm wondering if you believe there has been some shift in the general feeling, because as far as I can tell pro-Trumpers (still) LOVE the wall.
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It's OK for people to give anecdotal evidence of stuff that they have witnessed from the people around them. Is there some reason you're attacking this, or are you just having a bad day?
 
Biggles
In other words: your acquaintances? I'm wondering if you believe there has been some shift in the general feeling, because as far as I can tell pro-Trumpers (still) LOVE the wall.
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I know more than a few trump supporters that think the wall is a stupid idea
 
Biggles
What? "In my area"? What does that mean: your house, your block, your neighbourhood, your town, your state? Have you scientifically polled everyone?

This brings to mind a conversation I overheard at a student bar in Ann Arbor back in 2000. One student was telling his buddy that he was sure that Ralph Nader was going to win the presidency, because everyone he knew was going to vote for him. I kind of felt bad for the kid ... :rolleyes:
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Sorry, I wasnt specific. Around the people you actually know. I fully understand that people outside you cant speak for people outside your circle.

mustafur
Ambitious to say the least, im surprised it's still up though.
https://au.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
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I am both suprised and relieved that 260.000 people actually donated for a "steel slate" wall. It's amazing how going from a concrete wall paid by mexico, to a steel slate wall paid by a Gofundme camapaign still hasnt really blown up in Trump's face.
 
Imari
It's OK for people to give anecdotal evidence of stuff that they have witnessed from the people around them. Is there some reason you're attacking this, or are you just having a bad day?
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I am not "attacking" Rallywagon, I'm trying to ascertain if people, anecdotally or otherwise, have actually changed their attitude to the wall? In my circle of acquaintances, (practically) nobody is or has been a Trump supporter & therefore the sentiment is pretty unanimous that the wall was, & is, a stupid idea. However, it seems that most Trump supporters are enthusiastic supporters of the wall & are disgusted by the possibility that Trump may be backing down somewhat on it. My source: Fox News. :confused:
 
PocketZeven
Talking about "lazy" your link has a list of how the graph is compromised. The top few are the most recent polls. Also I do not expect recent (last week, especially the withdrawel) events to show in polls so quickly. Why are you still defending him, by the way? Here is some research for you surrounding his Foundation and showing how morally corrupt he is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_Foundation

Cool so other politicians have threatened N-korea and then falsely proclaimed complete denuclearization? Have other politicians proclaimed a group of refugees as an foreign invasion to influence a midterm election?
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My link has all the necessary information necessary to back up my position. Yours does not. I've said more than once that he's a very flawed person and President. That doesn't mean that every slander that you and others throw upon him is correct. I'm not questioning Trump, I'm questioning you. You have yet to show any link to his actions and the polls, especially considering how even his polling numbers are from day one as I showed with my link.

PocketZeven
Although your argument has correlatation with my argument, @Johnnypenso uses whataboutisms (arguments with little to no correlation) to counter my arguments.

For example:
me: Trump is a liar and bad rolemodel
@Johnnypenso : what about Clinton, he is a rapist, so you like rapists?

edit: I reviewed my initial statement and nowhere do i even suggest he is the only one.
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Can you show me where I said that?
 
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Looks like team has now turned their focus to asians .

The congressional Asian-American caucus is demanding an end to the detention and deportation of Southeast Asian immigrants who came to the U.S. as refugees.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...to-us-as-refugees_us_5c1bd09ee4b05c88b6f61769

is troubling to see Southeast Asian American families being targeted at unprecedented levels. We urge you to reexamine policies on the arbitrary detention and deportation of Southeast Asian Americans who prove no threat to public safety, are interwoven into our communities, and support U.S. citizen families,” the letter read. “We urge you to use prosecutorial discretion to ensure that our finite resources are not being wasted to tear families apart and deport individuals who have transformed their lives after serving their sentences.”
 
Johnnypenso
My link has all the necessary information necessary to back up my position. Yours does not. I've said more than once that he's a very flawed person and President. That doesn't mean that every slander that you and others throw upon him is correct. I'm not questioning Trump, I'm questioning you. You have yet to show any link to his actions and the polls, especially considering how even his polling numbers are from day one as I showed with my link.

Can you show me where I said that?
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Please read my post again. I just explained the recent numbers in your link do show a dwindling popularity. Please check your link and examine the stats for the last 14 days.


No need. Most people here know it already. And the one I am referencing has been deleted.
 
Novalee
Looks like team has now turned their focus to asians .

The congressional Asian-American caucus is demanding an end to the detention and deportation of Southeast Asian immigrants who came to the U.S. as refugees.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...to-us-as-refugees_us_5c1bd09ee4b05c88b6f61769

is troubling to see Southeast Asian American families being targeted at unprecedented levels. We urge you to reexamine policies on the arbitrary detention and deportation of Southeast Asian Americans who prove no threat to public safety, are interwoven into our communities, and support U.S. citizen families,” the letter read. “We urge you to use prosecutorial discretion to ensure that our finite resources are not being wasted to tear families apart and deport individuals who have transformed their lives after serving their sentences.”
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That's fine and all, but when will Trump start deporting all the Irish so we don't have to worry about getting blown up by the IRA?
 
PocketZeven
Check your link again. It is dwindling.
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Since he took office:
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This year:
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All within a narrow range of about 37-43.
 

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Looks like trump has flip flopped

https://cnn.it/2EWx9IX

Washington (CNN) - Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham says President Donald Trump now understands what is at stake in Syria and has agreed to slowing, for now, his plans to immediately withdraw all US troops from Syria.



Is this also a flip flop ?

U.S. President Donald Trump long ago backed away from his campaign pledge to construct a wall along his country's border with Mexico, his outgoing chief of staff said, as the president's demand for "border security" funding triggered a partial government shutdown with no end in sight.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-backed-away-from-wall-kelly-1.4961893


John Kelly, who will leave his post Wednesday after a tumultuous 17 months in the job, said in an interview with the Los Angeles Times that Trump abandoned the notion of "a solid concrete wall early on in the administration." It marked the starkest admission yet by the president's inner circle that his signature campaign pledge, which sparked fervent chants of "build that wall" during Trump's rallies and is now at the centre of a budgetary standoff, would not be fulfilled as advertised.


 
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