America - The Official Thread

[VolkswagenX]

I have in other threads (as its not really relevant to this one), along with examples of him being missleading.

Can you give links to those posts where you explain why is views are right wing? @Whitestar said Tim Pool claims to be a lefty and you made a comparison to North Korea claiming to be a democracy to discredit him being a lefty. I would like you to explain to me how Tim Pool's views make him right wing. This should not be to hard right? I've red the posts after this post and none of them show me why Tim Pool is more right wing than left wing.

Pro-Trump, mysogynist, pro-white. It's not the most frothing twitter feed I've ever seen but calling himself "leftie" is bollocks.

Examples please

Pro-Trump

Example of him being pro-Trump?

mysogynist

Example of him being a mysogynist?

pro-white

Pro-white? Did you mean white-supremacist? I believe identity politics/nationalism can exist on the left and on the right.. Either way, examples please?

 

[Tornado]

I don't understand the whole LGBT thing...surely no matter what Dem they throw out there, they'll get a solid 90%+ support from them?

They probably aren't going to vote GOP and will support the Democratic candidate on paper, but they aren't necessarily going to actually vote for a conspicuously suddenly pro LBGT, identity politics candidate just because they are the blue candidate.



That can still be a win for the GOP in the end.

 

[Whitestar]

Tim Pool has also said he is pro Sanders and doesn't support Trump.
Hey, I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right. I'm just saying what I've heard him say in his videos.

I can understand someone having the impression of him being right wing though, since he seems to spend most of his videos bashing the "extreme left" or "far left".
But misogynist and pro-white (if the implication is "alt-right")? That's pretty far from the impression I've gotten. Seems like a fairly sensible and tolerant guy to me, even though some of those tweets doesn't reflect well on him.

But if we're cherry-picking tweets...

...that doesn't really look like a very problematic guy to me.

 

[Rallywagon]

Is this the same guy that runs the TimCast YT channel? If so, then he is definitely right leaning. Nearly every one of his videos seem to center around attacking the left. The few videos he has about the right are several in favor of their position. Just search Timcast on youtube and tell me again that guy is left leaning even slightly. No way.
That said, I have trouble taking a guy who wears goggles on his head as a fashion accessory serious.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Is this the same guy that runs the TimCast YT channel? If so, then he is definitely right leaning. Nearly every one of his videos seem to center around attacking the left. The few videos he has about the right are several in favor of their position. Just search Timcast on youtube and tell me again that guy is left leaning even slightly. No way.

This. As far as I know nobody in this thread is calling him an outright fascist or a neo-nazi, just disputing that he's a "leftie" (his own description).

 

[VolkswagenX]

Is this the same guy that runs the TimCast YT channel? If so, then he is definitely right leaning. Nearly every one of his videos seem to center around attacking the left. The few videos he has about the right are several in favor of their position. Just search Timcast on youtube and tell me again that guy is left leaning even slightly. No way.
That said, I have trouble taking a guy who wears goggles on his head as a fashion accessory serious.

Bashing the left does not make him right wing. Nobody so far has shown any proof of him being a right winger. Al we get is "just watch his video's". Jimmy Dore also attacks the left, does that make him right wing? What about Abby Martin? Is she right wing?

Still waiting for anything that shows Tim Pool being Pro-Trump, a mysogynist and pro-white.

 

[Rallywagon]

You are privy to the same the youtube we all are and just as free to come to the same or opposite conclusions. I never stuck a claim on anything other than him not being a leftist.
Edit:

That being said, if he is a self proclaimed leftist, he sure does spend a lot of time attacking the left. Id say 99% of his videos are attacking the left. And the 1% aimed at the right defend the right.

 

[VolkswagenX]

You are privy to the same the youtube we all are and just as free to come to the same or opposite conclusions.

That goes for all the opinions posted in de O&CE section of GTP right? "Hey just look it up yourself if you don't believe!".. I have seen a lot of his youtube videos and I don't see where he is a right winger. If it is so obvious, then somebody would have shown how he is right wing but all we get is "he attacks leftist and has spoken with right wing people.

That being said, if he is a self proclaimed leftist, he sure does spend a lot of time attacking the left. Id say 99% of his videos are attacking the left. And the 1% aimed at the right defend the right.

That still does not make someone a leftist.

I never stuck a claim on anything other than him not being a leftist.

That is true so I will ask @TenEightyOne again:

Pro-Trump, mysogynist, pro-white. It's not the most frothing twitter feed I've ever seen but calling himself "leftie" is bollocks.

Examples please

Pro-Trump

Example of him being pro-Trump?

mysogynist

Example of him being a mysogynist?

pro-white

Pro-white? Did you mean white-supremacist? I believe identity politics/nationalism can exist on the left and on the right.. Either way, examples please?

 

[Scaff]

Given his views are very tame even if I wouldn't say they fully align with what would be left wing, it would strongly conflict with those in the picture, I mean there is a Video where he interviews Britanny Pettiebone and he doesn't exactly look like he agrees with her at all(She is spitting out White nationalist talking points, and he is pointing out the hyprocracy of anti globalists being globalists with their nationalism):

I've seen that video before. The only point he challenges her on is the anti-globalist vs globalist part. On every factual claim she makes he either gives it a free pass or say yes.

Given the amount of inaccurate and untrue claims she's made in the past he should have been able to robustly challenge them, yet he utterly failed to.

Its simply one of the softest interviews I've ever seen.

Maybe He wanted to see how these people are without being recorded, I have no idea but making assumptions of a sinister reason(Again you say your not, yet you bring it up there has to be a reason for that) is kind of pointless given his track record, it doesn't make sense, he isn't even overtly political, he is a journalist more then anything and reports on news rather then actually giving his opinion on everything.

I bring it up because its relevant. Not a single bit of content has emerged from it, and his refusal to discuss it (resorting to abuse and attacks instead) is again relevant.

I know he has accepted money from Paul Joseph Watson who claimed to fund any journalist who will go to Sweden and report the facts on immigration, which he did and then disputed PJW's claims, saying it's not as clear cut as claimed and generally it's not the refugees but 2nd generation migrants and established Gangs doing the claimed numbers.

And yet the video content he put out from it (and I watched it all at the time) was far from honest or un-biased.

Given He has videos of everything he has reported on when he was at Sweden I don't see a political angle from this guy, it's just not there.

Granted he doesn't do much ground work any more as when he films protests he generally gets attacked.

You mean when he lied about filming people, about having a camera out, has been accused of editing content by numerous subject to change the tone and meaning and his claim of needing to be given a police escort was utterly refuted by the police?

Can you give links to those posts where you explain why is views are right wing? @Whitestar said Tim Pool claims to be a lefty and you made a comparison to North Korea claiming to be a democracy to discredit him being a lefty. I would like you to explain to me how Tim Pool's views make him right wing. This should not be to hard right? I've red the posts after this post and none of them show me why Tim Pool is more right wing than left wing.

Do I seriously need to explain what the North Korean analogy was about?

Just because people label themselves as something doesn't mean its accurate.

His interviews with the right are soft on them to the point if being worthless, his focus on demonstrations has a one-sided slant (and its not towards the left)!

 

[Rallywagon]

As the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. He may say hes left leaning. But his actions by merit of the videos he creates shows him to lean right.

 

[VolkswagenX]

Do I seriously need to explain what the North Korean analogy was about?

Just because people label themselves as something doesn't mean its accurate.

His interviews with the right are soft on them to the point if being worthless, his focus on demonstrations has a one-sided slant (and its not towards the left)!

Yes I understood the analogy and that's why I asked, which of his views made him right wing? It should not be that hard for you to give an example of this? Or maybe it is.

As the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. He may say hes left leaning. But his actions by merit of the videos he creates shows him to lean right.

What actions? Which Videos?

 

[Scaff]

Yes I understood the analogy and that's why I asked, which of his views made him right wing? It should not be that hard for you to give an example of this? Or maybe it is.


What actions? Which Videos?

It's my view that the majority of his videos are the right wing equivalent of 'I'm not racist but....'

You could prefece the majority with 'I'm not right wing but..... Insert right wing trope....'

He's consistently critical of the left, light on and critisism of the right and has some odd associations for someone left.

His sphere of influence and those who cite him are almost exclusively on the right.

However I'm fairly sure that none if this will be enough for some.

 

[mustafur]

He lied about filming people, about having a camera out, has been accused of editing content by numerous subject to change the tone and meaning and his claim of needing to be given a police escort was utterly refuted by the police?

There is a video which proves it though it very much looks like he is being escorted:

If that isn't being escorted what is it?

 

[Keef]

If that isn't being escorted what is it?

Looks like he's being pushed to me. Escorts are in front. That's the opinion of a person who used to have a job escorting people and who is not involved in this discussion.

 

[mustafur]

Looks like he's being pushed to me. Escorts are in front. That's the opinion of a person who used to have a job escorting people and who is not involved in this discussion.

escort
noun
/ˈɛskɔːt/

1. 1.
   a person, vehicle, or group accompanying another for protection or as a mark of rank.
   "a police escort"

Given the supposed threat was behind him it really wouldn't make sense for the police to be ahead of him in a escort like this.

If he was in a car then yes that would make sense, but he wasn't.

 

[Scaff]

Looks like he's being pushed to me. Escorts are in front. That's the opinion of a person who used to have a job escorting people and who is not involved in this discussion.

Following the same route out. But of course he must be telling the truth and the police lying.

It's also important to ask why would he need an escort, given that the people they were leaving were on foot?

 

[Keef]

How are the police supposed to protect from a threat while they're inside a car? Those cops weren't "escorting", they were bullying them out and following behind to make sure they didn't get sneaky.

 

[Danoff]

I have no idea what we're talking about (because I don't much care about this kid) but...

This is clearly a police escort.

 

[TenEightyOne]

There is a video which proves it though it very much looks like he is being escorted:

It proves that a police patrol arrives in an area (which we've already been told vehicles can't drive into) and that he says people are "masking up", which we don't see, and that he then walks out of the area looking shifty. The police van follows him but doesn't look too interested - it certainly doesn't claim the junction over the bendy-bus to keep up with him.

The whole thing reminds me of Brass Eye, a genius comedy.

EDIT: There's another interesting angle - unless he has a press accreditation through a regional news agency (as most large 'foreign' channels do by default) then he is unlikely to have a licence from the polis to film on the streets for reward (eg his YouTube channel). That could explain his departure. If he does have a licence then he's notified the police of his time/place of filming. The local bobbies wouldn't have to be Einstein to think that swinging past might be a good idea.

 

[mustafur]

Following the same route out. But of course he must be telling the truth and the police lying.

If it was just coincidence that they where leaving at the same time why where they going soo slow as to stay behind, the police officer was talking to them before they left as well, the statement by the police is clearly an obvious lie or they are dancing with the truth here(likely claiming it's not an escort because it doesn't fit with their exact definition of one).

It proves that a police patrol arrives in an area (which we've already been told vehicles can't drive into) and that he says people are "masking up", which we don't see, and that he then walks out of the area looking shifty. The police van follows him but doesn't look too interested - it certainly doesn't claim the junction over the bendy-bus to keep up with him.

The whole thing reminds me of Brass Eye, a genius comedy.

EDIT: There's another interesting angle - unless he has a press accreditation through a regional news agency (as most large 'foreign' channels do by default) then he is unlikely to have a licence from the polis to film on the streets for reward (eg his YouTube channel). That could explain his departure. If he does have a licence then he's notified the police of his time/place of filming. The local bobbies wouldn't have to be Einstein to think that swinging past might be a good idea.

Given that in the video they did say he can't film with the big camera, everything that preceeded was of a a conceiling viewpoint, all addressed in the video.

Going by what you have said every escort has the same high level security detail?

It does look like they are following, but then your claiming there is also alot of acting going on(again, nothing has been Proven, this is the only known video footage).

 

[Scaff]

If it was just coincidence that they where leaving at the same time why where they going soo slow as to stay behind, the police officer was talking to them before they left as well, the statement by the police is clearly an obvious lie or they are dancing with the truth here(likely claiming it's not an escort because it doesn't fit with their exact definition of one).

Given that in the video they did say he can't film with the big camera, everything that preceeded was of a a conceiling viewpoint, all addressed in the video.

Going by what you have said every escort has the same high level security detail?

It does look like they are following, but then your claiming there is also alot of acting going on(again, nothing has been Proven, this is the only known video footage).

Seriously you're grasping now.

 

[mustafur]

Seriously you're grasping now.

Pot calling the kettle black, the only video footage comes from Tim Pool and the only reason why we are talking about this is because you didn't like the fact I used his video to explain why you where wrong on the Native Maga controversy, you have used strawman to attack the person yet didn't exactly find a shred of evidence to dispute what is in the Video.

The straws have been clutched when you look at what topic this has turned to.

None of which is proof of anything rather then a opinion on a video.

 

[Novalee]

ROCHESTER, N.Y. – Three men and a high school student were charged with plotting to attack a rural upstate New York Muslim community named Islamberg with explosives, authorities said Tuesday.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4876824/islamberg-new-york-muslim-community-explosives-plot/

Do we now need walls around non european whites to protect them from before mentioned european whites ?


The point being ,trying to point the finger at one ethnic group as being the prime threat when law enforcments own stats say american born and raised folks will kill other americans compared to people wanting to become americans is just the simple reality that trumps whitehouse at the cost of american lives is a huge mistake .

 

[Northstar]

ROCHESTER, N.Y. – Three men and a high school student were charged with plotting to attack a rural upstate New York Muslim community named Islamberg with explosives, authorities said Tuesday.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4876824/islamberg-new-york-muslim-community-explosives-plot/

Do we now need walls around non european whites to protect them from before mentioned european whites ?


The point being ,trying to point the finger at one ethnic group as being the prime threat when law enforcments own stats say american born and raised folks will kill other americans compared to people wanting to become americans is just the simple reality that trumps whitehouse at the cost of american lives is a huge mistake .

Your posts remind me of this meme...

 

[Tornado]

I love when my part of the state is in the news!

 

[samurai8juice]

I love when my part of the state is in the news!

there's a New York City, but there's a New York State too? No way!

 

[Blitz24]

I love when my part of the state is in the news!

there's a New York City, but there's a New York State too? No way!

Seriously. I thought you two were making up the place you lived in. Everybody knows that the only place in NY is NYC!

Anyways, seems like the youngest of the suspects was seen showing a picture of SOMETHING that seemed off to other kids in school, and that's what got the ball rolling. The moral of the story is..... don't use a smart phone?

 

[TexRex]

The moral of the story is..... don't use a smart phone?

A bird in the hand is worth all the tea in China.

 

[Scaff]

Pot calling the kettle black, the only video footage comes from Tim Pool and the only reason why we are talking about this is because you didn't like the fact I used his video to explain why you where wrong on the Native Maga controversy, you have used strawman to attack the person yet didn't exactly find a shred of evidence to dispute what is in the Video.

The straws have been clutched when you look at what topic this has turned to.

None of which is proof of anything rather then a opinion on a video.

On the contrary, it's been provided, you just dismiss it out of hand (the police must be lying, he can't has a bias, he's really left wing).


A strawman would be demanding proof someone's a Neo-Nazi when no such claim was made.

If he's not altright, then he's a useful idiot for the alright.

That's OK however, as it's pretty much what I expected.

 

[McLaren]

The point being ,trying to point the finger at one ethnic group as being the prime threat when law enforcments own stats say american born and raised folks will kill other americans compared to people wanting to become americans is just the simple reality that trumps whitehouse at the cost of american lives is a huge mistake .

You don't need law enforcement stats to predict that:

The foreign-born population stood at 13.7 percent in 2017, or 44.5 million people, according to the data, compared with 13.5 percent in 2016.

Unsurprising the 85% of American-born population are more likely to attack than the 14% that are foreign-born. I'm sure this is a statistic many countries share when comparing the two demographics.

Do we now need walls around non european whites to protect them from before mentioned european whites?

Last year, whites accounted for 62% of Aggravated Assault charges. Blacks accounted for 55% of Murder & Nonnegligent Manslaughter charges.
Whites accounted for 69% of all charges, blacks accounted for 27%. Compared to their respective populations however, that's 2.41% of whites charged and 5.52% of blacks charged.

I get you're trying to combat Trump with his own ignorance, but it doesn't sound any better using law enforcement stats to point out the "simple reality" when law enforcement stats can show a more detail scenario of crime. Esp. when your law enforcement stat is a super-broad American-born vs. Foreign-born stat & if that even ties to your non-whites from whites question before it.