America - The Official Thread

[McLaren]

Harris already brought up his bussing vote last debate. They might not bring up Obama but the gloves are already off. And bringing up Obama might not help him, not all of us that voted for him are happy with the results of his two terms.

True but for the most part, Obama had a lot of charisma and became a very likable president to the point, most people were more infatuated with his presence than some of his failures/scandals. Biden got to ride on that coattail with the “bro memes” towards the end of Obama’s terms.

I’m not gonna say it’s fool-proof but if Biden ran on a platform that promised to run his presidency in a way Obama would approve, it might draw back his voters. The big issue however: Biden doesn’t have Barack’s charm. He doesn’t look like the kind of guy you could sit and talk or laugh with, esp not with the inappropriate touching topic now.

 

[Liquid]

Unfortunately three people died in a shooting at a food festival in California. A man with a rifle started shooting and was himself shot dead by police.

It is being reported as the 246th mass shooting incident and 31,869th shooting incident overall in 2019 so far by the Gun Violence Archive, a website of which I was unaware until now.

In case you were wondering, GVA's definition of a mass shooting is 4 or more people shot, not necessarily being deaths, and not including the shooter:

Mass Murder - FOUR or more killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location not including the shooter.
Mass Shooting - FOUR or more shot and/or killed in a single event [incident], at the same general time and location not including the shooter

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Who shoots up a garlic festival?

 

[Danoff]

Who shoots up a garlic festival?

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I will like this in a week.

 

[Sander 001]

AS DEFICIT EXPLODES, GOP DEMANDS EMERGENCY TAX CUT FOR THE RICH

Twenty senators have urged the Treasury to give the wealthy another tax cut via executive order.

Cruz insists that it is now crucial to adjust capital gains for inflation “so that everyday Americans can continue to enjoy better lives and livelihoods.” And by “everyday Americans,” he of course means the spectacularly wealthy.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/republicans-capital-gains-tax-cut

 

[Danoff]

AS DEFICIT EXPLODES, GOP DEMANDS EMERGENCY TAX CUT FOR THE RICH

Twenty senators have urged the Treasury to give the wealthy another tax cut via executive order.

Cruz insists that it is now crucial to adjust capital gains for inflation “so that everyday Americans can continue to enjoy better lives and livelihoods.” And by “everyday Americans,” he of course means the spectacularly wealthy.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/republicans-capital-gains-tax-cut

It's totally correct though. If you don't index capital gains to inflation, you're paying tax on inflation.

 

[PocketZeven]

Trumps recent attacks on members of Congress hopefully opened the eyes of some of his followers. Their appalling!

 

[Joey D]

Trumps recent attacks on members of Congress hopefully opened the eyes of some of his followers. Their appalling!

Now that's wishful thinking. If his supporters ignore things like Trump's being a dollar store Communist, hating the Second Amendment, and ignoring everything he can about the Constitution then they won't care about racism. Seriously, how anyone who claims they're a Republican can support Trump is lost on me. He goes against pretty much all the major points the GOP should stand for.

 

[Imari]

AS DEFICIT EXPLODES, GOP DEMANDS EMERGENCY TAX CUT FOR THE RICH

Twenty senators have urged the Treasury to give the wealthy another tax cut via executive order.

Cruz insists that it is now crucial to adjust capital gains for inflation “so that everyday Americans can continue to enjoy better lives and livelihoods.” And by “everyday Americans,” he of course means the spectacularly wealthy.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/republicans-capital-gains-tax-cut

Of course, the poor aren't real people anyway or they wouldn't be poor.

 

[Danoff]

Of course, the poor aren't real people anyway or they wouldn't be poor.

Huh?

This is about correcting something that doesn't make sense in the tax code. Taxing on inflation.

 

[Rallywagon]

Huh?

This is about correcting something that doesn't make sense in the tax code. Taxing on inflation.

I am gathering that the idea that l, as Cruz puts it, this helps everyday people, who by and large see little or no positive change on regards to their life and inflation, is the issue here.

 

[Swagger897]

The example the actually use though in the letter makes perfect sense, especially when applied to other areas of investment aside from stock-markets. It basically goes for anything which is not pre-taxed: https://www.thebalance.com/pre-tax-vs-after-tax-investments-what-s-this-mean-2388974[URL]https://www.thebalance.com/pre-tax-vs-after-tax-investments-what-s-this-mean-2388974[/URL]

For those who do plan ahead for their lives, and who don't live in the moment, yes this is a benefit for the everyday American.

 

[GranTurNismo]

Thoughts?

 

[Northstar]

Thoughts?

Trust me, you don't want to know my true thoughts on most of the stuff you post.

As for the "comic", it's wrong on so many levels. First, you have to assume all republicans have the same stance on everything, which isn't any more true than saying all Democrats support antifa. Secondly you have to also ignore the actual arguments made for and against those things beyond stupid generalities.

And a third point, stuff like that hurts far more than it helps. If you want to actually find a solution to this mess, the answer will only be found through open conversation where everyone makes sure to consider alternate viewpoints, not memes as that only stifles any meaningful conversation.

 

[Dennisch]

 

[mustafur]

It matters if there is a Political twist to the shootings, killing a bunch of people because you can't get laid is different to killing Muslims because you think they are invading your country or killing Mexican looking people at the border because you don't want them in your country.

To take all Blame away from someone like Trump, doing alot of Nationalistic Talking points is to basically say Role Models Don't exist.

Look at Turkey for Example when the botched and likely total nonsense Coup happened, random people on the street killing Soldiers that where involved with no repercussions, you can't say that was because they where standing up to law in order when in reality it was from Worship of their Daddy Erdogan.

Nationalism brings the worst in society and having the biggest voice in the country spitting that crap out does have an effect.

 

[GranTurNismo]

Trust me, you don't want to know my true thoughts on most of the stuff you post.

As for the "comic", it's wrong on so many levels. First, you have to assume all republicans have the same stance on everything, which isn't any more true than saying all Democrats support antifa. Secondly you have to also ignore the actual arguments made for and against those things beyond stupid generalities.

And a third point, stuff like that hurts far more than it helps. If you want to actually find a solution to this mess, the answer will only be found through open conversation where everyone makes sure to consider alternate viewpoints, not memes as that only stifles any meaningful conversation.

But to be fair, virtually zero republicans have actually acknowledged that white supremacy, white male entitlement, and an extremely easy access to weapons of war were the main causes of the El Paso domestic terrorist attack. Either they completely deny that white supremacy was a factor (some conservative social media pages quoted the manifesto in a way that makes the shooter seem to oppose Trump), or they simply refuse to acknowledge it, knowing that being outspoken against white supremacy will piss off the many republicans who are also white supremacists. For the same reason they can't call out guns, because they know they must not say anything that comes off as critical about the NRA. Therefore, they do tend to blame these massacres on unrelated things, pretending to be a mental health expert (though mentally ill people exist in all countries, yet only America's mentally ill supposedly does domestic terrorism), blaming video games (Japan makes the most revenue off of violent video games out of any nation, yet only 10 were killed in Japan this year from guns), or saying ridiculous , off topic things like "he was a troubled kid". Republicans love to endorse concealed carry because "a good guy with a gun can stop a massacre" yet multiple other people in the Walmart carried guns and didn't save any lives, and then also say things like "Healthcare isn't a right" or things of that nature. The "meme" I posted is generally true.

It is the leftists, I don't mean Democrats but leftists instead (as many Democrats aren't leftist) like me who understand the real causes of these tragedies and aren't afraid to call out these institutions. We understand that white supremacy is extremely toxic and is growing, that assault rifles should be banned, that far too many people have guns when they shouldn't, and that the president's racist, divisive rhetoric only empowers, legitimizes and vocalizes right-wing extremists. We don't even think to try to blame these tragedies on "mental illness" or "violent video games" or "bullying" because we have enough common sense to know that these factors don't cause violence.

 

[Northstar]

But to be fair, almost zero republicans

So you've asked all 55 million registered Republicans and practically 0 acknowledged those problems?

It is the leftists, I don't mean Democrats but leftists instead (as many Democrats aren't leftist) like me who understand the real causes of these tragedies and aren't afraid to call out these institutions.

I'm sorry, I just can't do this anymore. If I don't put you on ignore now I'm just going to end up banned, so, from the bottom of my heart and in all honesty, I wish you the best of luck in life! Peace out!

 

[mustafur]

But to be fair, virtually zero republicans have actually acknowledged that white supremacy, white male entitlement, and an extremely easy access to weapons of war were the main causes of the El Paso domestic terrorist attack. Either they completely deny that white supremacy was a factor (some conservative social media pages quoted the manifesto in a way that makes the shooter seem to oppose Trump), or they simply refuse to acknowledge it, knowing that being outspoken against white supremacy will piss off the many republicans who are also white supremacists. For the same reason they can't call out guns, because they know they must not say anything that comes off as critical about the NRA. Therefore, they do tend to blame these massacres on unrelated things, pretending to be a mental health expert (though mentally ill people exist in all countries, yet only America's mentally ill supposedly does domestic terrorism), blaming video games (Japan makes the most revenue off of violent video games out of any nation, yet only 10 were killed in Japan this year from guns), or saying ridiculous , off topic things like "he was a troubled kid". Republicans love to endorse concealed carry because "a good guy with a gun can stop a massacre" yet multiple other people in the Walmart carried guns and didn't save any lives, and then also say things like "Healthcare isn't a right" or things of that nature. The "meme" I posted is generally true.

It is the leftists, I don't mean Democrats but leftists instead (as many Democrats aren't leftist) like me who understand the real causes of these tragedies and aren't afraid to call out these institutions. We understand that white supremacy is extremely toxic and is growing, that assault rifles should be banned, that far too many people have guns when they shouldn't, and that the president's racist, divisive rhetoric only empowers, legitimizes and vocalizes right-wing extremists. We don't even think to try to blame these tragedies on "mental illness" or "violent video games" or "bullying" because we have enough common sense to know that these factors don't cause violence.

Try telling a Guy from the Rust Belt that lost his job and his towns job options have dried up from Manufacturing losses that they are entitled

It's political suicide.

At the same time these people thanks to the electoral college have the most voting power in General elections.

So you've asked all 55 million registered Republicans and practically 0 acknowledged those problems?



I'm sorry, I just can't do this anymore. If I don't put you on ignore now I'm just going to end up banned, so, from the bottom of my heart and in all honesty, I wish you the best of luck in life! Peace out!

to be fair I think he is referring to the politicians not the people voting for them, otherwise yes your point is completely correct.

 

[Dennisch]

It is the leftists, I don't mean Democrats but leftists instead (as many Democrats aren't leftist) like me

Who do you blame for the Dayton shooting?

He was a self proclaimed Elizabeth Warren fan and probable voter. A self proclaimed leftist, like you.

 

[GranTurNismo]

So you've asked all 55 million registered Republicans and practically 0 acknowledged those problems?

Don't be ridiculous. What I'm saying is, none of the Republicans in congress (including Trump) as well as no Republican social media influencer/page that I've seen has acknowledged these causes, while almost all leftists have. The Republicans know they have no actual plan on stopping mass shootings and quite frankly, I think they could care less about not having a plan; appealing to the NRA is their number one goal, like always.

I'm sorry, I just can't do this anymore. If I don't put you on ignore now I'm just going to end up banned, so, from the bottom of my heart and in all honesty, I wish you the best of luck in life! Peace out!

Then ignore me, it certainly doesn't bother or offend me as you are far from the first member to put me on their ignore list. But really think about this though, you're ignoring a sixteen year old kid for one reason only, because you disagree with his political views. That basically confirms that I've "won" this debate, since either you can't come up with a way to counter my points, or you simply put your own emotions first. Ironic, that it's always the leftists who are branded as "snowflakes" and not open to debate, yet in this case it's the exact opposite.

 

[Famine]

and an extremely easy access to weapons of war were the main causes of the El Paso domestic terrorist attack

From what I've read he had one gun, which was a civilian, semi-auto (one press, one bullet, chambers next round) rifle.

Therefore, they do tend to blame these massacres on unrelated things, pretending to be a mental health expert (though mentally ill people exist in all countries, yet only America's mentally ill supposed does domestic terrorism)

Does it only count when they spree-shoot?

In the other thread that you abandoned for this one after being pulled up on several of your descriptors and the general tone of your post, which you've decided to replicate here, you claimed it's not a mental health issue, but it's "lonely, introverted white boys". I found that interesting, as you used two of the key descriptors for autistic spectrum disorders, then named the number one group diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders. But it's definitely not a mental health issue...

What do you even mean by "white male entitlement" anyway?

(Japan makes the most revenue off of violent video games out of ny nation, yet only 10 were killed in Japan this year from guns)

That'd be an interesting statement to qualify, but side-stepping that for a moment, is it only deaths from guns that are violent?

It is the leftists, I don't mean Democrats but leftists instead (as many Democrats aren't leftist) like me who understand the real causes of these tragedies

Mmhmm.

Thoughts?

Best case scenario is that you're trolling.

 

[Dennisch]

It's as if prisonermonkeys moved to the USA and pretends to be a 16 year old boy.

 

[mustafur]

It's as if prisonermonkeys moved to the USA and pretends to be a 16 year old boy.

Nah just a previously banned member.

 

[McLaren]

Thoughts?

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Highlighting parts of a political statement in yellow don't amplify it as true.

It is the leftists, I don't mean Democrats but leftists instead (as many Democrats aren't leftist) like me who understand the real causes of these tragedies and aren't afraid to call out these institutions. We understand that white supremacy is extremely toxic and is growing, that assault rifles should be banned, that far too many people have guns when they shouldn't, and that the president's racist, divisive rhetoric only empowers, legitimizes and vocalizes right-wing extremists. We don't even think to try to blame these tragedies on "mental illness" or "violent video games" or "bullying" because we have enough common sense to know that these factors don't cause violence.

I'm not sure what got your original screen name banned, but you seem awfully set on testing the waters with this new one with high horse statements like this against the other political party. What was it you said in the other thread?

blaming an entire race for a certain tragedy would be inaccurate and could be racist,

Switch race with Republicans and you're pretty spot on at being the type of person you were so spoken out against people doing to Muslims.

Then ignore me, it certainly doesn't bother or offend me as you are far from the first member to put me on their ignore list. But really think about this though, you're ignoring a sixteen year old kid for one reason only, because you disagree with his political views.

I think it has more to do with the fact that you completely wrote off the other side of the political spectrum as somehow condoning the attacks because all the people you saw represent everyone.

That basically confirms that I've "won" this debate, since either you can't come up with a way to counter my points, or you simply put your own emotions first. Ironic, that it's always the leftists who are branded as "snowflakes" and not open to debate, yet in this case it's the exact opposite.

It is ironic. You've spoken on this subject of recent mass shootings entirely from an emotional stand point yourself. You're not presenting any points, you're just harping Leftist Memes as if they couldn't possibly be injected with hidden bias and ignored details.

This isn't Reddit though, no one cares if you win an argument b/c you don't actually present yourself in a debatable manner....

 

[TexRex]

you're ignoring a sixteen year old kid

You're 16?

That basically confirms that I've "won" this debate,

So you are.

 

[GranTurNismo]

Who do you blame for the Dayton shooting?

He was a self proclaimed Elizabeth Warren fan and probable voter. A self proclaimed leftist, like you.

Though as it wasn't a politically motivated attack, the fact that he supported Warren is pretty irrelevant, especially as Warren isn't one who peddles racist, xenophobic talking points. That being said, I blame the easy availability of weapons of mass destruction and male entitlement, mostly. It's certainly possible this shooter had a mental health issue, though that in itself is not a cause of domestic terrorism.

From what I've read he had one gun, which was a civilian, semi-auto (one press, one bullet, chambers next round) rifle.

Does it only count when they spree-shoot?

In the other thread that you abandoned for this one after being pulled up on several of your descriptors and the general tone of your post, which you've decided to replicate here, you claimed it's not a mental health issue, but it's "lonely, introverted white boys". I found that interesting, as you used two of the key descriptors for autistic spectrum disorders, then named the number one group diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders. But it's definitely not a mental health issue...

What do you even mean by "white male entitlement" anyway?

That'd be an interesting statement to qualify, but side-stepping that for a moment, is it only deaths from guns that are violent?

Mmhmm.

Best case scenario is that you're trolling.

Still, this man should've never acquired a gun and the fact that he had one only proves the point that not enough background checks are being done, and that guns in general are far too easy to access.

By white male entitlement, I mean that in too many cases, those who are the most privileged in society (usually white men) feel that they are entitled to display their anger/extreme emotions by committing violence. White women and people of color, who make up roughly 60% of America's total population, make up for a very low percentage of mass murders.

I admit my mistake, the actual statistic is that Japan makes more money off video game revenue out of any country, not violent video games specifically. Though of course there are other ways to kill people fast without guns (knife attacks in UK, for example), using a gun is the easiest and quickest method, and I theorize that if assault rifles were completely banned and if crazed individuals didn't have guns, there would be less gun deaths in America.

I understand my opinion may not be mainstream for this website, but I'm not trolling. Please don't ban me again!

 

[Danoff]

white male entitlement

Still at it I see.

like me who understand the real causes of these tragedies and aren't afraid to call out these institutions. We understand that white supremacy is extremely toxic and is growing, that assault rifles should be banned,

Oh boy, back through the "what's an assault rifle" problem again.

that far too many people have guns when they shouldn't,

Fairly useless sentiment. Yes criminals should not have guns, or freedom. What do you propose to do about that?

and that the president's racist, divisive rhetoric only empowers, legitimizes and vocalizes right-wing extremists.

We don't even think to try to blame these tragedies on "mental illness" or "violent video games" or "bullying" because we have enough common sense to know that these factors don't cause violence.

No, we blame them on inanimate objects.

White women and people of color, who make up roughly 60% of America's total population, make up for a very low percentage of mass murders.

But not murder though.. so... Again, what's up with the race agenda here?

 

[Dennisch]

the fact that he supported Warren is pretty irrelevant, especially as Warren isn't one who peddles racist, xenophobic talking points. That being said, I blame the easy availability of weapons of mass destruction and male entitlement, mostly. It's certainly possible this shooter had a mental health issue, though that in itself is not a cause of domestic terrorism.

It is clear you don't pay attention at all when people are countering your nonsense with actual fact filled posts.

Shooter is a racist, blame Trump. Shooter is a lefty, political views are irrelevant.

Quality logic.