America - The Official Thread

[mustafur]

And the right calls the left SJW.

 

[Dotini]

A sitting President directly calling out Representatives as being anti-Israel and generally anti-Semitic.

They have been banned from entering Israel.

 

[TexRex]

Pandering to his base while simultaneously exploiting what he presumably believes is their inability to think critically...which isn't to say he's wrong, it's just an odd combination.

 

[mustafur]

They have been banned from entering Israel.

The Idea that Palestinians are Human must of triggered them.

 

[McLaren]

No, actually knowing that one of the two candidates WILL win the election as a voter it is in your best interest to vote for the candidate and party who's beliefs are the closest to your own even if they are not exactly aligned. One of those two candidates will end up in the White House and I will attempt to get the best option to fill that position.
Myself I have never actually seen a 3rd party candidate that I felt what they represented was superior and actually had a chance of working in this country.

According to near every 2016 election poll, everyone knew only one candidate was going to win with everything from a 70-95% chance of succeeding. Trump might as well have been running as an Independent himself.
https://www.thewrap.com/every-poll-that-got-election-wrong-donald-trump/

The missed fact is every time a person decides to vote for a 3rd party, that's a vote both the Democrats & Republicans lose and narrows the gap. Acting as if a 3rd party doesn't have a chance in hell so there's no point in actually voting for them completely undermines the entire point of voting for them in the first place. If you never vote for them, they will always, always lose. But if you vote for them, their odds of winning actually amount to a percentage above 0%.

To quote an old phrase: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

 

[Dotini]

I think both major parties are corrupt and their candidates unfit. So I have voted for 3rd parties ever since Ross Perot's first run. I am sincerely proud to tell you I have never lost a night's sleep over my decisions, and that is more important to me than anything else to be gained through voting.

 

[VolkswagenX]

Pandering to his base while simultaneously exploiting what he presumably believes is their inability to think critically...which isn't to say he's wrong, it's just an odd combination.

He should pander to his base in the US instead of his base in Israel.

 

[zzz_pt]

He should pander to his base in the US instead of his base in Israel.

AFAIK, every other president has been pro-Israel too. Trump just has a "peculiar" way to make that point accross. I would also suggest more peolpe now than before criticize (some rationally but a lot of them irrationally) Israel and the jewish community - we could say identity politics has gained a lot of ground and being pro-muslim and anti-west, regardless of individual policies and specific actions is pretty much common nowadays.

Therefore, I'm not surprised Trump pushes this button more often. He gains votes with identity politics too. It's easy to play that game. Stupid, but easy.

 

[TexRex]

AFAIK, every other president has been pro-Israel too. Trump just has a "peculiar" way to make that point accross. I would also suggest more peolpe now than before criticize (some rationally but a lot of them irrationally) Israel and the jewish community - we could say identity politics has gained a lot of ground and being pro-muslim and anti-west, regardless of individual policies and specific actions is pretty much common nowadays.

Therefore, I'm not surprised Trump pushes this button more often. He gains votes with identity politics too. It's easy to play that game. Stupid, but easy.

He's just painting criticism of the country's diplomatic and financial relationship with Israel as anti-Semitic; bonus, he gets to attack the left in the process. And his base eats it up.

 

[zzz_pt]

He's just painting criticism of the country's diplomatic and financial relationship with Israel as anti-Semitic; bonus, he gets to attack the left in the process. And his base eats it up.

Yeah. He's on Twitter afterall. He has to make the most mess/impact with the least amount of characters possible.

 

[PocketZeven]

They have been banned from entering Israel.

He just doesnt learn, does he. Still spreading hatefull rhetoric.

 

[ryzno]

He just doesnt learn, does he. Still spreading hatefull rhetoric.

What's her name was granted a pass to see her grandmother in Israel but turned it down, or so I heard. Political Hogwash...

 

[PocketZeven]

What's her name was granted a pass to see her grandmother in Israel but turned it down, or so I heard. Political Hogwash...

At least be respectfull man. Being critical of someone or a country does not equal "hating" someone. Rhetoric like that puts lives in danger.

 

[TexRex]

At least be respectfull man. Being critical of someone or a country does not equal "hating" someone. Rhetoric like that puts lives in danger.

I'm pretty sure I know the steps you've taken to get there, but that seems like a bit of a stretch to me.

 

[PocketZeven]

I'm pretty sure I know the steps you've taken to get there, but that seems like a bit of a stretch to me.

I was referring to the Trump tweet and not what Ryzno posted. Sorry if I wasnt clear.

 

[TexRex]

I was referring to the Trump tweet and not what Ryzno posted. Sorry if I wasnt clear.

I was as well. Hateful rhetoric isn't in and of itself incitement to violence. Because of that, getting from one to the other requires a significant leap.

 

[PocketZeven]

I was as well. Hateful rhetoric isn't in and of itself incitement to violence. Because of that, getting from one to the other requires a significant leap.

Not really its a thin line. You just need one crazy person that takes the rhetoric too litteral. It makes a difference if you and I say it or the POTUS.

 

[TexRex]

Not really its a thin line. You just need one crazy person that takes the rhetoric too litteral. It makes a difference if you and I say it or the POTUS.

Crazy people don't rely on rhetoric to do crazy things.

 

[BobK]

He just doesnt learn, does he. Still spreading hatefull rhetoric.

Being critical of someone or a country does not equal "hating" someone.

A little bit of a double standard there.

 

[TexRex]

A little bit of a double standard there.

Equating criticism of Israel, and the United States' relationship with Israel*, to anti-Semitism is the exact opposite of being critical.

*Edit to add.

 

[PocketZeven]

Crazy people don't rely on rhetoric to do crazy things.

But it could work like a sprak in a potential fire. I should have added "potentially"in the sentence I have to admit.

A little bit of a double standard there.

I am confused? Please explain.

edit: correction

 

[TexRex]

But it could work like a sprak in a potential fire.

Yeah, "not in and of itself".

I should have added "potentially"in the sentence I have to admit.

Yes. Ideally from the beginning, but at the very least in a subsequent response and instead of doubling down.

 

[PocketZeven]

Yeah, "not in and of itself".


Yes. Ideally from the beginning, but at the very least in a subsequent response and instead of doubling down.

You are correct, but I presume now that you understood what I was trying to state (rhetoric could potentially spark violence).
I doubled down, because I thought you did not understand what I was referring to.

edit: correction

 

[TexRex]

You are correct, but I presume now that you meant what I was trying to state.

I don't see how I did. Is what I've quoted above as you intended it to be read?

 

[PocketZeven]

I don't see how I did. Is what I've quoted above as you intended it to be read?

See correction above.

 

[TexRex]

You are correct, but I presume now that you understood what I was trying to state (rhetoric could potentially spark violence).

It still relies on so many loosely linked hypotheticals that I question the merit of such a remark.

"The birth of a single child could bring about the end of the world."

 

[ryzno]

At least be respectfull man.

I honestly don't know who it was, no disrespect was intended, my point still stands.

 

[PocketZeven]

It still relies on so many loosely linked hypotheticals that I question the merit of such a remark.

"The birth of a single child could bring about the end of the world."

I get your remark, but in my opinion it isnt comparable when the president of a country is saying a certain group of individuals and called out by name, hate israel and are anti semetic.

edit: to add to your example, it would require someone with influence singling out that single child. To make it somewhat comparable.

 

[TexRex]

I get your remark, but in my opinion it isnt comparable when the president of a country is saying a certain group of individuals and called out by name, hate israel and are anti semetic.

edit: to add to your example, it would require someone with influence singling out that single child. To make it somewhat comparable.

It requires a lot of things to come to either conclusion. Violent actions are dependant on more than hate.

 

[PocketZeven]

It requires a lot of things to come to either conclusion. Violent actions are dependant on more than hate.

Correct. Yet a person of influence should not single out individuals with a message of hate and when something does happen, expect they did not have any hand in it at all. Or am I wrong?