America - The Official Thread

  • Thread starter ///M-Spec
  • 39,539 comments
  • 1,782,019 views
It largely depends on the laws in the state. Here in Utah, every liquor bottle has a little device on it that pours exactly 1.5oz of liquor in a drink. You can't ask for more either, although some bars get around this by allowing you to order a "sidecar" which is another shot of alcohol. You're not really supposed to get two drinks at the same time here though, so like if I go out to eat, I have to have finished my beer before ordering another beer.

In Michigan, I don't think anyone really cares and when I go to Wisconsin, I just assume every drink has 2-3 times the average amount of alcohol in it because the entire state is drunk and full of cheese.
Can confirm the Michigan and Wisconsin thing. I am friends with the bartender at one of our local bowling alleys. My drinks tend to come incredibly strong. And, no laws against double fisting, or even triple fisting. My sister and father live in Wisconson, good fun has been had ar the drinking holes out there too.
 
And, no laws against double fisting, or even triple fisting.
Mark_Wing-Davey_as_Zaphod_Beeblebrox.jpg
 
Why do you live there?!

I get paid a lot to live here, also the mountains are nice to look at and it's entertaining to watch polygamist families try to act normal. The sad part is I left Grand Rapids, MI which is considered Beer City USA. At least my liver is in slightly better shape.

Do you have any laws regarding carrying alcohol within an establishment (not to be confused with open container laws), say, from the bar to the table? That seems like something you'd have.

Oh, it's stranger than that. If a place is a restaurant, meaning it has a sign on the window that reads "This establishment is licensed as a restaurant, not a bar", then you actually have to order food in order to get an alcoholic drink. If you order a mixed drink, it's prepared behind the Zion curtain because obviously kids can't see 1.5oz of rum being poured into a Coke.

Draft beer can't be over 5% and only 5% and lower ABV beer can be sold in the grocery store. Anything higher is sold at the state liquor with nearly a 100% markup on it over their cost. It also can't be sold cold either, so if you want cold beer it has to be 5% or less and bought at a grocery store. This only went into place last fall and was heavily debated. Originally the bill was to allow 8% beer in the grocery store but the LDS Church had a full-blown fit and told the House and Sente to vote that down because obviously Utah is a theocracy. We do have craft root beer stores here though that have hundred of varieties and the ability to make your own six-pack, so we got that going for us I guess.

If you bring alcohol over state lines, it's a fine and it's all confiscated. If you bring a keg over state lines you're going to jail. As a fun fact, when I moved here and brought my bar with me I'd been thrown in jail for the amount of alcohol I had. Bringing alcohol through the airport is also illegal, but since it's the TSA, they really don't care.

Oh and our drunk driving laws are the strictest in the nations at .05. That means for an average weight person, it's almost certainly illegal to drive after two Utah beers even if you're completely fine. I don't even chance it and just drink at home. I mean I get not driving under the influence, but I'm in no way remotely impaired after two beers.

All of this is more or less ignored in Park City though because rich people don't want to be bothered. During Sundance, it's really ignored because we can't deny celebrities anything and apparently during the Olympics, the liquor flowed freely everywhere.

It's really bizarre to me how difficult liquor laws are in various states. I mean we border Nevada and Colorado, two states were marijuana is legal, you can buy alcohol literally anywhere, and you can gamble to your heart's content. It feels like Utah is missing out on a bunch of tax dollars because of it.
 
I get paid a lot to live here, also the mountains are nice to look at and it's entertaining to watch polygamist families try to act normal. The sad part is I left Grand Rapids, MI which is considered Beer City USA. At least my liver is in slightly better shape.



Oh, it's stranger than that. If a place is a restaurant, meaning it has a sign on the window that reads "This establishment is licensed as a restaurant, not a bar", then you actually have to order food in order to get an alcoholic drink. If you order a mixed drink, it's prepared behind the Zion curtain because obviously kids can't see 1.5oz of rum being poured into a Coke.

Draft beer can't be over 5% and only 5% and lower ABV beer can be sold in the grocery store. Anything higher is sold at the state liquor with nearly a 100% markup on it over their cost. It also can't be sold cold either, so if you want cold beer it has to be 5% or less and bought at a grocery store. This only went into place last fall and was heavily debated. Originally the bill was to allow 8% beer in the grocery store but the LDS Church had a full-blown fit and told the House and Sente to vote that down because obviously Utah is a theocracy. We do have craft root beer stores here though that have hundred of varieties and the ability to make your own six-pack, so we got that going for us I guess.

If you bring alcohol over state lines, it's a fine and it's all confiscated. If you bring a keg over state lines you're going to jail. As a fun fact, when I moved here and brought my bar with me I'd been thrown in jail for the amount of alcohol I had. Bringing alcohol through the airport is also illegal, but since it's the TSA, they really don't care.

Oh and our drunk driving laws are the strictest in the nations at .05. That means for an average weight person, it's almost certainly illegal to drive after two Utah beers even if you're completely fine. I don't even chance it and just drink at home. I mean I get not driving under the influence, but I'm in no way remotely impaired after two beers.

All of this is more or less ignored in Park City though because rich people don't want to be bothered. During Sundance, it's really ignored because we can't deny celebrities anything and apparently during the Olympics, the liquor flowed freely everywhere.

It's really bizarre to me how difficult liquor laws are in various states. I mean we border Nevada and Colorado, two states were marijuana is legal, you can buy alcohol literally anywhere, and you can gamble to your heart's content. It feels like Utah is missing out on a bunch of tax dollars because of it.
Wow! From GR to Utah, that must have been a bit of a culture shock. Not sure I'd want to leave the Bob and the belly dancing troupe out there, I cant imagine Utah could compete.
 
Fisting has to be against the AUP!

:D
Oh, yeah, laws against sodomy/buggery/non-procreative sex; that'd be quite the discussion.

Originally the bill was to allow 8% beer in the grocery store but the LDS Church had a full-blown fit and told the House and Sente to vote that down because obviously Utah is a theocracy.
I think I recall you talking about expecting those laws to be relaxed, perhaps in the premo beer thread.

We do have craft root beer stores here though that have hundred of varieties and the ability to make your own six-pack, so we got that going for us I guess.
Ew. The only root beer I like is ginger ale.
 
Oh, yeah, laws against sodomy/buggery/non-procreative sex; that'd be quite the discussion.


I think I recall you talking about expecting those laws to be relaxed, perhaps in the premo beer thread.


Ew. The only root beer I like is ginger ale.
Oh man, ginger ale is gross, give me sassafras and sarsaparilla any day!
 
I think I recall you talking about expecting those laws to be relaxed, perhaps in the premo beer thread.

Unfortunately, the only way they'd get more relaxed is if we get the Winter Olympics again in like 2030 or something. I'll be gone before then though since Utah is only a five-year plan.
 
Now that we're on a tangent, one thing I'm curious about for fellow Americans on the board, where in the US have you lived? For me:

Nobleboro, Maine | Population: 1643
Sheepscot/Alna, Maine | Population: 709
Ennis, Texas | Population: 18,513
Arlington, Texas | Population: 365,000
Fort Worth, Texas | Population: 741,000
Ann Arbor, Michigan | Population: 113,000
Oakland, California | Population: 390,000
San Francisco, California| Population: 883,000
 
Now that we're on a tangent, one thing I'm curious about for fellow Americans on the board, where in the US have you lived? For me:

Nobleboro, Maine | Population: 1643
Sheepscot/Alna, Maine | Population: 709
Ennis, Texas | Population: 18,513
Arlington, Texas | Population: 365,000
Fort Worth, Texas | Population: 741,000
Ann Arbor, Michigan | Population: 113,000
Oakland, California | Population: 390,000
San Francisco, California| Population: 883,000

Small town, Texas | 2000 (at the time)
Austin, Texas | 600K (at the time)
Los Angeles, CA | 4M (at the time)
Denver, CO | 600k

Technically I lived within suburbs in both LA and Denver, not so much "downtown". And I know a lot of people like to quote the suburb as being their actual location, and give the burb size, to make it look less metropolitan.
 
Now that we're on a tangent, one thing I'm curious about for fellow Americans on the board, where in the US have you lived?

Hooper, NE | Pop. 850
Schuyler, NE | Pop. 6,500 (official Census estimate; likely closer to 8,000 with undocumented immigrants; home to one of the largest meat-packing plants in the nation)
Lincoln, NE | Pop. 330,000 (current location)
Fort Collins, CO | Pop. 170,000 (okay, I don't actually live here, but my brother does, and I visit so often I may as well consider it a second home :D)
 
While I've visited a few places in the US, I haven't really moved around much in terms of my residence.

Detroit, MI | 600,000
New York, NY | 8,000,000
Cambridge, MA | 100,000

NY is great, but moving out made the price of living there look even crazier.
 
Pontiac, MI | 60,000 (Part of Detroit Metro 4.3 million)
Orion Township, MI | 36,000
Grand Rapids, MI | 200,000 (Metro 1 million)
Leighton Township, MI | 5,600
Salt Lake City, UT | 200,000 (Metro 1.2 million)
 
Moore, Oklahoma | 62,000 (Part of the Oklahoma City Metro 1.4 million)
Norman, Oklahoma | 123,500 (Also part of the Oklahoma City Metro) Norman is a college town, so there are roughly another 25,000 to 30,000 students here for a good chunk of the year that are not included in that number. Summers are so awesome with most of the students gone.
 
Novi MI: 33,000 (1990)
Waterford MI: 72,251(2000)
El Paso TX: 600,000 (2006)
Howell MI: 9,500 (2010)
Holt MI: 24,000 (2010)
Lansing MI: 116,986 (2017)
 
Moore, Oklahoma | 62,000 (Part of the Oklahoma City Metro 1.4 million)
Norman, Oklahoma | 123,500 (Also part of the Oklahoma City Metro) Norman is a college town, so there are roughly another 25,000 to 30,000 students here for a good chunk of the year that are not included in that number. Summers are so awesome with most of the students gone.

Good God. Moore AND Norman? How much do you like Tornados man?
 
Imagine having a president who's more concerned with social media and posting things than running the actual country. Although, if Facebook is anything to go by, he's no different than every other 70+-year-old with an account.
 
Trump Admin to Send Border Patrol Special Ops on Raids in Sanctuary Cities

This is so transparently pathetic. :lol:

Related to discussions in another thread...are ICE members required to swear an oath to the constitution?

And what part of the people being targeted are IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY and therefore subject to arrest for breaking our nations laws and therefore achieving criminal status which subjects them to being arrested and prosecuted under the provisions of laws they violated do you fail to understand?

Also a "Sanctuary City" designation by a locality or state that violates federal law is not a legal position in the eyes of the Federal statutes ( which Federal laws override state laws) only a feel good gesture that has absolutely no legal rights whatsoever and all citizens within such boundaries are still subject to Federal arrest and prosecution at the Feds discretion.

I for one am glad to see that the current immigration laws are being enforced as written and on the books and it is about time we quit picking and choosing which laws to enforce by whether we like or dislike those laws. Until those laws are repealed by Congress they are still the law of the land like it or not!

If you have a question about whether certain members of society are required to "swear an oath to the constitution" perhaps you should look at those leaders and police forces in those sanctuary cities and ask that very question as they are boldly and publicly ignoring and refusing to enforce the laws of the land which I expect most have sworn to uphold.
 
Last edited:
Back