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Ahh, the Pubes. Always makes me think of Steven Kings Dark Tower series. In the Third book they make it to a large city called Ludd. This city is in a place called Mid World. And it is a place where the world has moved on.
Anyway, there are two warring factions in the city. The Greys, so called because, well, they are older. They would prefer to live quite and peacefully. Then there are the Pubes. So called be cause they are, well, younger. That group is hell bent on destruction. I think at the moment, Pubes really works here.
 
huskeR32
Yes, things like funds to vote-by-mail, and funding for the Postal Service to make sure those ballots get where they need to go. Once again, I'm left wondering why that's a "lefty" thing. Why don't conservatives care about the Constitutionally-provided right to vote?
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Probably because we already have absentee & early voting.
USPS is 🤬 joke and has been for the last decade or so.
 
dlshearon
Probably because we already have absentee & early voting.
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And to suddenly extend that to everyone in the country would require more funding. You'd obviously need to print off a lot more ballots. You'd need more people to process them. You'd probably need to set up more drop-off locations. Hire more postal workers, or allow overtime. There are a lot of little ways that enacting universal vote-by-mail would cost more money. Democrats were trying to get that paid for; their bill included $3.6 billion dollars in funding to guarantee a fair election in these extraordinary times. The Republican bill? $0.

dlshearon
USPS is 🤬 joke and has been for the last decade or so.
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And do you know the reason for that? Are you familiar with the funding situation of the USPS? The impact that the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act had on that funding situation?

Or are you just repeating "USPS bad" because Trump said so?

And ultimately, what's your point? So what if the USPS is currently struggling? That means it should just be abandoned? The American way now is to notice that something is broken, and to just leave it be? What kind of mindset is that? Oh, right, the one that provides Republicans cover for their efforts to avoid a fair election.
 
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Why not spend the money that would go to mail in on absentee?

My opinion of the Postal Service comes from my personal experience, not cause it’s what Trump says.
I don’t watch the news or politics regularly to know what the clowns in D.C say or think on a daily basis.(don’t care)

I’ve lived with three different Post Offices and get mail to random people or not get my 🤬 at all. Pretty familiar with how they work as well having two family members retire from the Postal Service.

I had really no point in my post above other than we have ways to vote other than election day.

I’ll go back to the cave and watch. Obviously in here if someone doesn’t agree, it is automatic assigned party affiliation and really no discussion.

:dopey::cheers: See ya on the other boards.
 
dlshearon
Why not spend the money that would go to mail in on absentee?
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They're the same thing. Absentee voting is mail-in voting. Making it universal would just remove the need to apply for it - everyone would just receive a ballot at home automatically. And expanding the current absentee system into a universal vote-by-mail system would take more money.

dlshearon
My opinion of the Postal Service comes from my personal experience, not cause it’s what Trump says.
I don’t watch the news or politics regularly to know what the clowns in D.C say or think on a daily basis.(don’t care)

I’ve lived with three different Post Offices and get mail to random people or not get my 🤬 at all. Pretty familiar with how they work as well having two family members retire from the Postal Service.
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You didn't answer my questions at all. Do you understand the funding issues that are at the heart of the USPS's troubles since 2006?

dlshearon
I had really no point in my post above other than we have ways to vote other than election day.
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Yes. And what Democrats want to do is make sure that those options are available to everyone this year, and not suddenly run out of resources or postal capacity to deal with it when the much larger than usual amount of mail-in ballots are needed.

dlshearon
I’ll go back to the cave and watch. Obviously in here if someone doesn’t agree, it is automatic assigned party affiliation and really no discussion.
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:rolleyes: What's with the wounded act? If you wanted this to be a more civil discussion, there were many other ways you could have worded:

dlshearon
USPS is 🤬 joke
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Oh, and you dodging my questions doesn't render this "no discussion."
 
@huskeR32 yes I understand that PAEA broke(as in monetary) the Service with prepaying retirements & health benefits and that it lost millions if not billions by now.

No wounded act, same ole 🤬 here.
Yes I probably could have worded It different but I’m not too good at that. ;)

Watching this thread you get the same response out of people when you disagree with them. Aka, trumpism, you’re a rightwing/leftwing nut, yadda yadda.
It gets old and usually why I don’t participate.

As for mail in voting/absentee, not everyone votes. Make the ones who do want to vote request a ballot, its not hard to do. Let the Feds spend more money they don’t have on staffing the system so it will (attempt to) work on timely fashion.
 
dlshearon
Make the ones who do want to vote request a ballot, its not hard to do.
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Unfortunately, it can be difficult. Things might be different this year with COVID, but in years past there were states that made you jump through hoops to get an absentee ballot. I want to say there are 20 states that require you to provide an excuse for voting absentee and they typically revolve around if you're out of town, disabled, in the military, or have a religious reason for not voting in person.

Utah sends a ballot to every registered voter. We also have drop off places all over if you don't feel safe mailing it in. Every ballot gets a tracking number that you can enter online to see where the ballot is and if it's been counted. All ballots are checked against you're voter's registration signature to add another layer of protection to make sure you're the person sending it in. We also do early voting and I can go anywhere in the county to vote if I don't want to go to my polling place. It all works wonderfully and really the only excuse someone in Utah has for not voting is because they didn't want to.

I still haven't seen Trump address how Utah does their election either. While most voters participate by mail, our rate of fraud is super low and the outcome is almost always Republican.
 
Joey D
Unfortunately, it can be difficult. Things might be different this year with COVID, but in years past there were states that made you jump through hoops to get an absentee ballot. I want to say there are 20 states that require you to provide an excuse for voting absentee and they typically revolve around if you're out of town, disabled, in the military, or have a religious reason for not voting in person.

Utah sends a ballot to every registered voter. We also have drop off places all over if you don't feel safe mailing it in. Every ballot gets a tracking number that you can enter online to see where the ballot is and if it's been counted. All ballots are checked against you're voter's registration signature to add another layer of protection to make sure you're the person sending it in. We also do early voting and I can go anywhere in the county to vote if I don't want to go to my polling place. It all works wonderfully and really the only excuse someone in Utah has for not voting is because they didn't want to.

I still haven't seen Trump address how Utah does their election either. While most voters participate by mail, our rate of fraud is super low and the outcome is almost always Republican.
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I would think Covid would be an acceptable reason for absentee and all states would/should be ok with that.

Utah sounds like they have their 🤬 together and probably would be a good example to go by if they do green light mail in voting.

Thanks for the info. :cheers:
 
Trump heading to Minnesota on Monday. :scared:
Trump heading to my neck of the woods on Monday. 🤬
Trump supporters and every other thing making me change my plans. :banghead:

This is how I feel :grumpy:
 
TJ13
Trump heading to Minnesota on Monday. :scared:
Trump heading to my neck of the woods on Monday. 🤬
Trump supporters and every other thing making me change my plans. :banghead:

This is how I feel :grumpy:
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My commiserations. Incidentally I will never understand why the northern central part of the USA is called "the Midwest". I guess it's a historical thing and meant "not the Wild West".
 
dlshearon
I’ve lived with three different Post Offices and get mail to random people or not get my 🤬 at all. Pretty familiar with how they work as well having two family members retire from the Postal Service.
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The US Postal Service delivers 472 million items of mail every day. A 99.9% success rate would mean 472,000 pieces of mail delivered to the wrong address every day. That'd roughly be one item per household (either delivered to you by mistake, or an item of yours not delivered to you) every 11 months.

That's one piece of wrongly delivered mail every 11 months for a service with a 99.9% success rate. At 99% it'd be one every five weeks.
 
Joey D
I still haven't seen Trump address how Utah does their election either. While most voters participate by mail, our rate of fraud is super low and the outcome is almost always Republican.
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That's super tidy. Yeah, he's never going to touch it.
 
It seems less likely to me that Biden is a legitimate candidate for president in the absence of Trump as incumbent, and it seems to me that a Mitt Romney--someone removed from the broader Trump-backing GOP--would crush him with minimal effort.
 
ryzno
https://www.ajc.com/opinion/columni...e-coronavirus-era/XZAKIEFHWFG7LI7MUIKYB54TLU/

Didn't know exactly where to post this...
Interesting Op-ed.
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They're attributing the rise in homicide to anti-police protests without any evidence, and without even considering any other possible reasons. For example, I'd think it's at least worth asking if more people spending more of their time at home has led to an increase in domestic violence, including homicide.

Kinda seems like this writer had a conclusion they wanted to share, but didn't want to show their work.
 
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Inb4 those implicated play the Trump card; "We were only being investigated because of support for the president." They should know it didn't work for Duncan Hunter before pleading guilty to charges of--and ultimately his conviction and 11-month prison sentence* for--stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from his campaign for personal use.

*The only reason he's not in prison now is because of COVID-19, though I seem to recall Darrell Issa wanting Trump to intervene on Hunter's behalf, citing "imprisonment costs."
 
UKMikey
Current spin amongst YouTube commenters is "this is political to make Trump look bad in an election year" and "they should arrest Hillary instead". :lol:
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Trump's doing a great job of that all on his own ... and they really should have waited until just a few days before the election.
 
A lot of the comments underneath this frame Trump as secretly wanting to be or being an absolutely terrible stand-up comedian with no jokes.

At least he's honest about wanting to hoard other countries' oil.

 
Liquid
A lot of the comments underneath this frame Trump as secretly wanting to be or being an absolutely terrible stand-up comedian with no jokes.

At least he's honest about wanting to hoard other countries' oil.

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And Biden is supposed to be the incoherent one?
 

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