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I'm guessing the right-wingers who use the term "alt-left" think that "alt-left" would just mean "far-left" when in actuality alt is short for alternative. "Alt-right" for example, doesn't mean "far-right" but was a term coined by the neo-Nazi Richard Spencer; a branch of the right that wants to establish the US as a white homeland, rail on about being "replaced" by nonwhite immigrants and think "The Jews" are the reason for anything bad that happens politically. Before that, even though white nationalism and anti-semitism were definitely around, there was no such thing as "alt-right". No one has created an "alt left" yet, so for now it doesn't truly exist.
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I use alt-left because i think it's a more encompassing term than 'woke' or 'SJW', though apparently it's an alt-right qualifier as any of those statements are going by the reaction here. so if using the term alt-left makes you alt-right, then wouldn't the reverse apply? extremism is extremism no matter where a group may couch their beliefs. plenty of the most horrific things in history were done under the guise of the best intentions. also how would you label that aspect of the left in the first place? anarchism? authoritarian socialists? as someone who has traditionally been left leaning, i find it hilarious when people insinuate that i'm on the 'alt-right' for simply addressing my concerns. I remember a time when being liberal meant you were a supporter of free speech, you were anti-censorship, anti-authoritarian, anti-corruption, in favor of objectivity and meritocracy, being anti-war, and respecting all people as individuals, yet now those all seem to get labeled as being 'alt-right talking points.'
frankly people underestimate the amount of sway the small minority of people on the far left have had recently. there are a lot of shades of maoism and authoritative communism in a lot of the far left social activist community and in academia, as well as a sense of authoritarian morality that is nearly religious fundamental in it's fervor. as far as labeling Trump as a fascist that's giving him too much credit, he's not intelligent enough nor motivated enough to do so, he's just a narcissist and skilled at debating people. he is dangerous in the sense that he will be deliberately divisive for attention and that has helped to aid the alt-right in becoming a larger threat, though some of that also was the fact that certain circles of people have also started to label people as being the worst representation possible simply for not 100% agreeing with their points. I am glad Trump did not get re-elected, but I fear a lot of the extremes that the left went to are dangerous and could lead to similar problems, either in placating the extremists on their own side, or shifting to business as usual and actually causing someone far more extreme than trump to rise on the right.
Trump's character and actions is not an excuse to insinuate you can't criticize the elitist democrats who were in many ways responsible for his rise in the first place and by labeling those people as alt-right. I understand being happy that Trump is gone, but labeling Biden and Harris as 'progressive' or seeing them working in favor of americans, or praising them for 'being professional' is disingenuous. You can't expect Biden who's spent decades in government to fix problems he essentially had a hand in creating. people also seem to have a short memory with respect to Harris and how she was rightfully KO'd in the primaries due to her law record. remember our vice president, who has a very real chance of becoming president, kept people in jail for cheap labor and didn't take an innocent man off death row until forced to. these are not people you praise or prop up, or view as being paragons of virtue.
i'd be remiss if I didn't propose a solution to the problems and for me that would be seeing the majority of americans moving towards a third party. this would likely mean forming a new one since the libertarian and green parties have been ineffectual as this election cycle and the last one proved. i've felt that something such as this would be best done through social media, which is why i bring up the problem of facebook, twitter, and youtube's ban hammers. if they're able to censor accounts like that with little actual reason for doing so, that prevents an attempt to bring people together. bringing people together from both liberal and conservative circles is the biggest threat to the washington elites who've benefited from divisiveness so naturally it's not surprising they're using their influence over these platforms to ban people under vague pretexts. the divide and conquer policy has very much been the MO of the political elite for decades now. it doesn't matter who started that because both sides have promoted it.
frankly people underestimate the amount of sway the small minority of people on the far left have had recently. there are a lot of shades of maoism and authoritative communism in a lot of the far left social activist community and in academia, as well as a sense of authoritarian morality that is nearly religious fundamental in it's fervor. as far as labeling Trump as a fascist that's giving him too much credit, he's not intelligent enough nor motivated enough to do so, he's just a narcissist and skilled at debating people. he is dangerous in the sense that he will be deliberately divisive for attention and that has helped to aid the alt-right in becoming a larger threat, though some of that also was the fact that certain circles of people have also started to label people as being the worst representation possible simply for not 100% agreeing with their points. I am glad Trump did not get re-elected, but I fear a lot of the extremes that the left went to are dangerous and could lead to similar problems, either in placating the extremists on their own side, or shifting to business as usual and actually causing someone far more extreme than trump to rise on the right.
Trump's character and actions is not an excuse to insinuate you can't criticize the elitist democrats who were in many ways responsible for his rise in the first place and by labeling those people as alt-right. I understand being happy that Trump is gone, but labeling Biden and Harris as 'progressive' or seeing them working in favor of americans, or praising them for 'being professional' is disingenuous. You can't expect Biden who's spent decades in government to fix problems he essentially had a hand in creating. people also seem to have a short memory with respect to Harris and how she was rightfully KO'd in the primaries due to her law record. remember our vice president, who has a very real chance of becoming president, kept people in jail for cheap labor and didn't take an innocent man off death row until forced to. these are not people you praise or prop up, or view as being paragons of virtue.
i'd be remiss if I didn't propose a solution to the problems and for me that would be seeing the majority of americans moving towards a third party. this would likely mean forming a new one since the libertarian and green parties have been ineffectual as this election cycle and the last one proved. i've felt that something such as this would be best done through social media, which is why i bring up the problem of facebook, twitter, and youtube's ban hammers. if they're able to censor accounts like that with little actual reason for doing so, that prevents an attempt to bring people together. bringing people together from both liberal and conservative circles is the biggest threat to the washington elites who've benefited from divisiveness so naturally it's not surprising they're using their influence over these platforms to ban people under vague pretexts. the divide and conquer policy has very much been the MO of the political elite for decades now. it doesn't matter who started that because both sides have promoted it.
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If we could get back to 2015, it would be a miracle. An absolute miracle.
Citations required.
You're talking about private property so... yea.
...basically Trump and Trump's cult.
What's this conspiracy now? Does it already have a name or is this your own conspiracy theory?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54941571
Facebook is banning Kamala birtherism posts. But muh free speech...
I wonder how many people realise almost 40% of American people live on its coasts. That doesn't sound like an elite to me. But then NOAA are never Trumpers anyway so fake noos.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/population.html
Facebook is banning Kamala birtherism posts. But muh free speech...
I wonder how many people realise almost 40% of American people live on its coasts. That doesn't sound like an elite to me. But then NOAA are never Trumpers anyway so fake noos.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/population.html
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I think they're referring to the case of Kevin Cooper. Harris was, at first, against the retesting of DNA, but it looks like she ultimately allowed it. I don't know too much about the case though. The cheap labour thing appears to be a misrepresentation of what happened. It looks like lawyers in Harris's law firm said, or at least remarked, about this but not Harris herself.
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Do you believe you're actually saying anything cogent in this block of text ... & is there something wrong with your caps key?
Forget about about alt-right & alt-left, as far as I can recall, there has never been a Presidential candidate calling US elections rigged ... until Trump came along. He claimed that the previous President was illegitimate because he wasn't born in the US (with no proof). He called the 2016 election rigged before he won it ... then called it rigged when he won it, but didn't win the popular vote (with no proof). Now he's calling this election rigged (with no proof) because he lost both the electoral college & the popular vote. You could start with that before you start expounding on "elitist democrats" & "maoists".
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The majority of this paragraph is both malarkey and a perfect example of why I hate political labels.
Alt-right (in the US, at least) is literally defined as "...extreme conservative or reactionary viewpoints, characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics and by the use of online media to disseminate deliberately controversial content." You can absolutely call somebody alt-right and be 100% correct in doing so. By that measure, what is an accurate definition of "alt-left?"
Also, context is a key part as well. I've met several people on both sides who agree with your definition of "liberal" on a basic level, but their specific viewpoints end up leaning more towards the extreme.
Ok, so what you're doing here is actually quite dangerous. Remember that during his tenure as president, Trump has (in no particular order):
- Made several attacks on the 1st Amendment, including trying to shut down Twitter through Executive Order, and called for a Fox News pundit to be fired for speaking against him, among many other instances.
- Passed through policy that turned several legal gun owners into Felons with no recourse, which is a direct attack on the 2nd Amendment.
- Has gloated about using federal agents to kill an American citizen, and then went on to say that any suspect of a violent crime can be killed by Federal Authorities with no intent to bring them to trial, for the sake of retribution. That's a direct attack on every American citizens 5th Amendment rights.
- Has used Federal Authorities to round up protestors, effectively violating their individual 5th amendment rights (yes, even rioters are citizens in this country, and have the same rights as non-criminals).
- Publicly told a violent, politically-motivated (but according to at least one person here, apparently non-racist) Neo-fasisct group to put themselves on stand-by.
- Has failed multiple times to condemn literal Nazis ("good/bad people on both sides").
- Has admitted to downplaying the dangers of COVID-19, and continues to do so even after contracting it himself.
- Has effectivley said that COVID-19 stimulus talks would only resume "when he wins the election," basically holding millions of people hostage.
- Has advocated multiple times for his supporters to watch polls and spy on people as they fill their ballots, effectivley green-lighting voter intimidation.
- Has publicly advocated for his supporters to engage in voter fraud.
- Has both publicly and legally tried to invalidate the result of the 2020 election.
By trying to lower Trump to the level of being nothing more than a bumbling foll, you're basically downplaying the actions he has taken as the president, and in doing so are down playing the effects of his actions, some of which will have significant (if not irreparable) long-term effects.. Calling Trump a fasisct and/or dictator isn't "giving him too much credit," it's referring to him as what he actually is. This is important so that if we see such actions in the future, we can be better prepared to stop it from happening again.
Throwing juvenile temper tantrums at people who disagree with him and calling people names (some of which may or may not be racist in origin) is hardly what I'd call "skilled debating."
That's not dangerous "in a sense," that's just dangerous, flat-out.
I won't say that this doesn't happen, but again, context is important.
Which is why we have an electoral process (for the president as well as Congressional, state and local leaders), and why it's important to make sure its integrity is upheld.
Who are you referring to? I've personally never seen anybody do that on this board.
I'd wager their reason for banning people is more-or-less due to T.o.S. violations that include (but are not limited to) spreading blatantly false information as fact. Also, much like GTP, they're private entities, and as such are free to do as they please when it comes to the service they provide.
I straight-up only lasted 10 seconds before seeing all I needed to.
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Supposedly trump was asking about how to attack Iran cause if its one thing we need right now its the threat of nuclear attacks.
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I've been trying to figure out why the GOP is the party of the conspiracy theory. I mean, I get that they are the party of the conspiracy theory. The only time when I recall hearing conspiracies come from the left was under Bush Jr., where he was supposedly this evil mastermind that was pulling the strings behind corporations and the military and was also simultaneously a complete dunce. But other than that example, I've got basically nothing.
I'm sure that some conspiracy junkies out there would say that it's because the GOP is perfect, and the democrats are constantly up to no good. But the conspiracy theories are so vast, and so different and so devoid of evidence, that it's very clear which party represents the conspiracy theorist.
Quick, there's a pizzagate, QAnon believer who thinks the moon landings were faked. Guess the party!
But "why", is what I keep coming back to. I've got a few answers to that question, none of them particularly satisfying.
1) The GOP has long been distrustful of government. They're the anti-government folks (when it's a democrat in the whitehouse, otherwise they're pro-government). Conspiracies go together with government like instant replay and slow motion, so naturally someone who has a deep distrust of government would be drawn to conspiracies.
2) Religion. The GOP is the party of religious values, and religion beats you over the head that evidence is not important for truth. Trust your feelings to know what is true and what is not... that's a recipe for conspiracies.
3) Lack of education. The GOP is generally less educated. This itself is associated with a conspiracy, that colleges are brainwashing factories churning out socialists. I attended college during a time when it was this belief was prevalent, I came out of college without voting democrat, so presumably I missed the brainwashing. Anyway, lack of education definitely would naturally correlate with conspiracy theories. Seeing through a conspiracy theory requires a bit of intellectual rigor and a firm foothold in logic.
4) Something else.
For this last one, I've been wondering whether there is a common personality flaw, like a lack of empathy or low emotional or social capacity, which causes cynicism and a persecution complex. This kind of thing would go naturally along with conspiracy theories. It is, after all, much the shape of Trump's conspiracy theory problems. His narcissism lends itself perfectly to his "the only way to beat me is to cheat, the game is rigged, everyone's out to get me" line of thinking which results in propagating and possibly even believing conspiracy theories.
Anyway, I don't know the answer. Maybe it's none of these, maybe it's all of them. But I'm definitely pondering why such a wide swath of society which all have one thing in common today (voting republican) also have another thing in common (conspiracy theories). Correlation does not mean causation. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but the numbers are big here.
I'm sure that some conspiracy junkies out there would say that it's because the GOP is perfect, and the democrats are constantly up to no good. But the conspiracy theories are so vast, and so different and so devoid of evidence, that it's very clear which party represents the conspiracy theorist.
Quick, there's a pizzagate, QAnon believer who thinks the moon landings were faked. Guess the party!
But "why", is what I keep coming back to. I've got a few answers to that question, none of them particularly satisfying.
1) The GOP has long been distrustful of government. They're the anti-government folks (when it's a democrat in the whitehouse, otherwise they're pro-government). Conspiracies go together with government like instant replay and slow motion, so naturally someone who has a deep distrust of government would be drawn to conspiracies.
2) Religion. The GOP is the party of religious values, and religion beats you over the head that evidence is not important for truth. Trust your feelings to know what is true and what is not... that's a recipe for conspiracies.
3) Lack of education. The GOP is generally less educated. This itself is associated with a conspiracy, that colleges are brainwashing factories churning out socialists. I attended college during a time when it was this belief was prevalent, I came out of college without voting democrat, so presumably I missed the brainwashing. Anyway, lack of education definitely would naturally correlate with conspiracy theories. Seeing through a conspiracy theory requires a bit of intellectual rigor and a firm foothold in logic.
4) Something else.
For this last one, I've been wondering whether there is a common personality flaw, like a lack of empathy or low emotional or social capacity, which causes cynicism and a persecution complex. This kind of thing would go naturally along with conspiracy theories. It is, after all, much the shape of Trump's conspiracy theory problems. His narcissism lends itself perfectly to his "the only way to beat me is to cheat, the game is rigged, everyone's out to get me" line of thinking which results in propagating and possibly even believing conspiracy theories.
Anyway, I don't know the answer. Maybe it's none of these, maybe it's all of them. But I'm definitely pondering why such a wide swath of society which all have one thing in common today (voting republican) also have another thing in common (conspiracy theories). Correlation does not mean causation. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but the numbers are big here.
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Dumber minds are more susceptible to conspiracy theories than smarter ones. Or at least, more well-informed ones.
Facebook plays a massive role too. Much of the Republican base is older, at least compared to democrats and leftists. Old people are very likely to be active on Facebook. It’s ironic how many geriatric Republicans do not trust what the MSM says about anything, yet they’ll see a post in their FB feed that says ANTIFA MARXIST JOE BIDEN WANTS TO TAKE GOD AWAY FROM AMERICA! CAN I GET AN “AMEN”. And obviously, it’s an echo chamber. When people like and follow right-wing posts and groups on FB, they will in turn be suggested even more right-wing posts and groups, often times ones that are more partisan and extreme. Facebook was integral to the spread of insane conspiracies like QAnon, the New World Order, and Pizzagate; too many old folks blindly believed it was true because they saw it on FB.
Also, it’s even more ironic how many republicans seem to hate “big government” and the “swamp” yet they are the most likely to fall in line behind the party establishment (Trump) and boot-lick, and are the most authoritarian in values.
It’s scary to think that probably around 40%, maybe even more, of American citizens would be in the upper right box of the Political Compass.
Facebook plays a massive role too. Much of the Republican base is older, at least compared to democrats and leftists. Old people are very likely to be active on Facebook. It’s ironic how many geriatric Republicans do not trust what the MSM says about anything, yet they’ll see a post in their FB feed that says ANTIFA MARXIST JOE BIDEN WANTS TO TAKE GOD AWAY FROM AMERICA! CAN I GET AN “AMEN”. And obviously, it’s an echo chamber. When people like and follow right-wing posts and groups on FB, they will in turn be suggested even more right-wing posts and groups, often times ones that are more partisan and extreme. Facebook was integral to the spread of insane conspiracies like QAnon, the New World Order, and Pizzagate; too many old folks blindly believed it was true because they saw it on FB.
Also, it’s even more ironic how many republicans seem to hate “big government” and the “swamp” yet they are the most likely to fall in line behind the party establishment (Trump) and boot-lick, and are the most authoritarian in values.
It’s scary to think that probably around 40%, maybe even more, of American citizens would be in the upper right box of the Political Compass.
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Wanna name some of the people in this highly influential minority that have shades of maoism and authoritarian communism? From down here in upside down land even the left in the US looks pretty right wing. Every time I hear an American praise New Zealand I wonder if they know that it's a socialist hellhole with Jacinda Ardern ruling over the comrades with an iron fist.
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I don't disagree with your top 3, but don't discount socioeconomic factors. The 70/40 GDP split between Biden & Trump probably (I haven't looked for data to back this up) correlates to Trump voters being more likely to be out of work due to Covid. But even before Covid, it's pretty clear that the GOP electorate has been trending towards the have-nots end of the equation, and they are pissed about it. All in all, Trump voters are pretty damned aggrieved and looking for their next fix of outrage. If you're looking for reasons to fuel your outrage, I can bet conspiracy theories are particularly appealing.
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There's an air of desperation creeping into your posts that's making me anxious. Not so long ago I was the one trying to explain to you how libertarian theory was not able to adequately address societal issues because it assumed that there was a rational basis underlying human interaction, whereas, in fact, the more important factors determining human interaction are barely rational at all. You poo pooed that argument as being irrelevant. The events of the last few years seem to have brought you to an uncomfortable epiphany on the subject.I think the question you pose is a pertinent one. First, I would say that in the past - say the last 50 odd years - conspiracy theories have been much more the purview of "the left". Scepticism about the military/industrial complex, neo-colonialism, neo-imperialism, capitalism, corporate power, agro-business, Zionism etc. Conservatives (sort of by definition) believed in the established order of things. They believed in American Exceptionalism, they believed in the American Way, they supported American military, economic & political dominance unquestioningly & they believed in American "goodness" ... while leftists were extremely sceptical of all those things.
A lot of that seems to have turned around in the last 20 years. Is it a result of increasing economic disparity in American society? It started in the Reagan years where marginal tax rates dropped dramatically & the rich started to get relatively richer & the poor & lower middle class started to get relatively poorer. The '90's - with the collapse of the Soviet Empire & the growth of the American tech industry held everything together for a while, but the shock of the tech bubble bursting, followed by 911 & then the 2008 financial crisis made things feel very shaky for a lot of people. Above all, in the last 30 years the American manufacturing industry has been contracting & with it a lot high-paying blue collar jobs.
Along with that there has been the growth of right wing media - first radio, then television & finally the explosion of social media platforms. Discontented working class Americans - especially white Americans - seem to have increasingly gravitated to these right wing media outlets. Now, instead of standing up for capitalism & the American Way, a lot of Americans have become increasingly sceptical of it. Enter Trump who blames immigrants, the Chinese, the "coastal elites", the MSM, Hollywood, academics, sneaky Europeans and Democrats in general.
And so here we are. It's quite the **** show. A similar thing has been happening in other parts of the world ... it just seems to be more extreme in the US. I don't want to say "told you so", but income inequality IS a problem. It's got to be addressed in some way. How people feel about things matters. When they feel angry they start to act crazy ... that video posted by UKMikey being a striking example.
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Don't forget the FEMA death camps that were apparently covering the US ready for the coup if the Democrats lost in 2016, it's odd that Trump never managed to find a single one of them.
This piece (and the associated study) from 2015 had already flagged the start of the process, I doubt even they knew just how widespread it would be on the right.
https://www.vox.com/2015/12/10/9886222/conspiracy-theories-right-wing
This however did make me laugh...
"Perhaps the fact that there is a Democratic president in office has made conservatives more prone to CTs, and the effect would be reversed under a Republican president."
...yep, Trump blew that idea out of the water.
This on the other hand...
"That means they (in regard to the right) are not only deluded but unchecked, beyond the influence of any moderating force, easy prey for demagogues and hucksters. They become the conspiracy-addled tail that wags the political dog."
...has come to pass more clearly than I suspect the author would have imagined.
I saw bunch of Trump voters on a page looking into Irish citizenship last week.
Two reasons were given as to why they wanted to leave the US after the election.
- Biden is open borders, so the country will be flooded with immigrants (not true - but hey that's never stopped them saying it), utterly lost on them is the fact they would be immigrants if they moved to Ireland (oh wait, they would be ex-pats, the OK category of immigrants reserved for English speaking white folk).
- Ireland is also a socialist hell-hole in comparison with the US given Trump followers definition, state-funded health care for all, strong welfare programmes and they even just legalised abortion. I mean most of Europe is a socialism playground by US definitions, just about the only place they would feel at home right now are either Hungary or Poland, but those they would never go for due to the language barrier.
When this was pointed out to them, they actually accused residents of Ireland of being wrong and lying about it!
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Conspiracy theories spread more prevalently amongst those who feel disenfranchised in some major aspect of their lives. When they feel they have little power to shape their future but can't see why that is, a conspiracy theory that goes some way to explain the position they're in, no matter how left of field it is, and gives them comfort in that it explains why they are in this position and provides them with something to fight against - and therefore allows them to feel there is hope and a way to re-shape their future. Whether it's the liberal elite enforcing them to change the way they live, or in this time of covid and lockdowns, Bill Gates faking a worldwide pandemic so he can put tracking chips in everybody via a vaccine injection* **
*do we even have the technology to produce a tracing chip small enough to fit through a needle?
**are they aware that they can already be tracked via the very smartphone they probably read that CT on?
*do we even have the technology to produce a tracing chip small enough to fit through a needle?
**are they aware that they can already be tracked via the very smartphone they probably read that CT on?
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It's basically the modern version of religion. New religions are not so common these days, but new conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. And both have the major effect of giving people comfort and a feeling of understanding about things that are otherwise inexplicable or scary.
While most conspiracy theories are obviously dumb on the face of them, I think it's worth looking at the societal factors that lead people to feel so adrift that they'll willingly believe that paper masks are a tool of oppression. People who are happy and secure do not go looking for boogeymen like that.
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Another crazy maoist academic:
Virginia Wesleyan dean resigns after Biden Facebook post uproar
https://www.pilotonline.com/news/ed...0201116-3lcaxoxb3vginkstipg4b7tbzm-story.html
Virginia Wesleyan dean resigns after Biden Facebook post uproar
https://www.pilotonline.com/news/ed...0201116-3lcaxoxb3vginkstipg4b7tbzm-story.html
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My goodness that article has aged well. From that perspective, it is bleak.
I don't want to go too @Dotini here but, I'll indulge just for a moment. This is how wars are started. I can't think of a Trumper that I know that I can actually reach. And what's worse, I can't think of anyone who can reach them. Even Trump is not disproving the COVID hoax by catching COVID and being hospitalized by it, and tweeting that he tested positive for it. Some still don't believe it even exists. You'd think Trump would be dispelling that theory (just by example), but there is a segment that is not convinced.
When someone is so filled with hatred, and believes so blindly that others are dangerous or threatening, and cannot be reasoned with, it results in violence.
I have definitely seen the media step back from pushing incendiary news. I'm not sure it will do any good, but there has been a small level of restraint, especially in regard to Trump's chances of overturning the EC result. The (mainstream) news could be reporting that in a much more alarmist manner, and it suggests to me that people across the board are actually finally concerned about the social effect of inflammatory reporting. That at least one lawfirm backed off of Trump's legal challenges suggests that some level of concern for legal integrity (even if it's just to avoid being disbarred) exists. Twitter has stepped up (a little). Facebook stepped up (a little). Trump is set to take the wheel and take his cult further off the deep end.
The end of this road is violence, and I'm not seeing how we turn away.
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Riiiight, because the practicing Irish Catholic for 78 years is definitely anti-Christian. And the man who ran for highest office of America is definitely anti-American. Quality right-wing logic.
