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How does right-libertarianism get the US out of that?
Any system that respects individual choice is going to rely on people willingly participating and understanding how the system works. It's not exclusively a libertarian problem. A large part of the US population is lacking understanding about many things and have become part of a culture that doesn't care to learn. That's a major concern by itself without considering what approach to government should be taken.
 
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  1. Believing in the inherent will of individuals to act in their own best interests.
Believing in the inherent will of individuals to act in their own best interests strongest desires, more like. The entire concept of a New Years resolution is a satire on how weak-willed and unmotivated humans are, particularly Americans who live comfortably.
 
I feel like that with the other Big Tech CEOs lining up to join Trump's Kiss My Ass Club was the green light for the USA to turn into early 2000s Russia. There's still the surface-level appearance of a democracy, but now the social media tycoons are in lockstep with the Republicans like the media barons of Russia being in lockstep with Putin. The opposition is either discredited establishment neoliberals who are blamed for petrol/gas costing >$4 per gallon and getting entangled in Iraq, or European-style social democrats like Bernie who'll never get a look in thanks to the almighty Algorithms.
 
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I feel like that with the other Big Tech CEOs lining up to join Trump's Kiss My Ass Club was the green light for the USA to turn into early 2000s Russia. There's still the surface-level appearance of a democracy, but now the social media tycoons are in lockstep with the Republicans like the media barons of Russia being in lockstep with Putin. The opposition is either discredited establishment neoliberals who are blamed for petrol/gas costing >$4 per gallon and getting entangled in Iraq, or European-style social democrats like Bernie who'll never get a look in thanks to the almighty Algorithms.
Having lived through that personally, this is what it feels like to me as well. Pretty ****ing ironic that we got away from this situation to end up in the same place a few decades later. I guess it’s still better than what’s going on in Russia for now.
 
Oh this is utterly bonkers.

"President-elect Donald Trump’s naming of actors Jon Voight, Mel Gibson, and Sylvester Stallone as his “special ambassadors” to Hollywood got the treatment on social media.

Trump on Thursday announced on his Truth Social platform that the trio will be “special envoys” and his “eyes and ears” in Tinseltown in a bid to boost the U.S. movie industry which he claimed “has lost much business over the last four year to Foreign Countries.”"

 
Oh this is utterly bonkers.

"President-elect Donald Trump’s naming of actors Jon Voight, Mel Gibson, and Sylvester Stallone as his “special ambassadors” to Hollywood got the treatment on social media.

Trump on Thursday announced on his Truth Social platform that the trio will be “special envoys” and his “eyes and ears” in Tinseltown in a bid to boost the U.S. movie industry which he claimed “has lost much business over the last four year to Foreign Countries.”"

Please leave Mel Gibson out of anything and everything.
 
Oh this is utterly bonkers.

"President-elect Donald Trump’s naming of actors Jon Voight, Mel Gibson, and Sylvester Stallone as his “special ambassadors” to Hollywood got the treatment on social media.

Trump on Thursday announced on his Truth Social platform that the trio will be “special envoys” and his “eyes and ears” in Tinseltown in a bid to boost the U.S. movie industry which he claimed “has lost much business over the last four year to Foreign Countries.”"

Surprised he didn't also include Roseanne Barr at this point.
 
Sounds like he's aiming for a 50s style blacklist and purge of Hollywood, anyone fancy a new one.

Sounds a lot like... Cancel Culture.
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Boeing is so screwed and I think the American populace should make a concerted effort to absolutely crater Boeing's stock price. They deserve it for all the problems they've caused. Just get rid of it, chapter 11, start over. And anybody who has served as an executive for Boeing for the past 30 years should be banned from ever acting as an executive ever again.



Nothing to replace either the 757 or the highest-selling plane of all time the 737, nothing even in the pipeline to compete with the A220. Can't fullfil military contracts, nothing to offer for federal projects like AF2. And because of this problem, P&W and other engine OEMs have a problem in that there is no direct market replacement for the PW2000 engines on the 757, because there is no true replacement of the 757.

It's a tossup between Trump himself and Boeing as to who is the biggest embarrassment for America right now. Honestly, I'm leaning toward Boeing.
 
Boeing is so screwed and I think the American populace should make a concerted effort to absolutely crater Boeing's stock price. They deserve it for all the problems they've caused. Just get rid of it, chapter 11, start over. And anybody who has served as an executive for Boeing for the past 30 years should be banned from ever acting as an executive ever again.



Nothing to replace either the 757 or the highest-selling plane of all time the 737, nothing even in the pipeline to compete with the A220. Can't fullfil military contracts, nothing to offer for federal projects like AF2. And because of this problem, P&W and other engine OEMs have a problem in that there is no direct market replacement for the PW2000 engines on the 757, because there is no true replacement of the 757.

It's a tossup between Trump himself and Boeing as to who is the biggest embarrassment for America right now. Honestly, I'm leaning toward Boeing.

Need executive compensation reform. Boeing seems to be a particularly insidious victim of executive leadership not seeing beyond the next quarterly earnings report. Investing a ton of money into ground-up A220 competitor is probably not going to move the needle on the stock price...or worse...it may lower the stock price. But share buy backs? That will juice it. How about a stupid ass plan to spend the minimum amount of money possible to retrofit the 737 with huge new engines? Well...it certainly sold well before they started crashing.

I really wonder, and often, how this can be fixed. How can we get people who ultimately move large portions of the economy to make better decisions for the good of society? I think locking stock options and/or bonuses behind time windows would be a great place to start. You're allowed a base salary, but stock options & cash bonuses on share prices increases can only legally be given after 5 years...or even 10 years. Call it the Johan de Nysschen prevention law.

Or tax income beyond $1bn at 90%
 
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Or tax income beyond $1bn at 90%
You spelled conpensation wrong. Current income and gains taxes terminology is so screwed that these people can still be compensated astronomically while avoiding most traditional income and capital gains. But changing the system from the gronud up is a fantasy not worth discussing.

Let's make it 95%.
 
I really wonder, and often, how this can be fixed. How can we get people who ultimately move large portions of the economy to make better decisions for the good of society? I think locking stock options and/or bonuses behind time windows would be a great place to start. You're allowed a base salary, but stock options & cash bonuses on share prices increases can only legally be given after 5 years...or even 10 years. Call it the Johan de Nysschen prevention law.

Or tax income beyond $1bn at 90%
Instead of going after the money and hoping it makes corporations care, why not punish carelessness? If you're selling a product there is a pretty strong implication that the product isn't going to kill the user. If a product ends up being unsafe through negligent design the penalties for that should be huge. Businesses and the people running them shouldn't be able to get away with it and operating as normal in the aftermath. Take the profits, force the company to be under government oversight, and go after the people who didn't value the lives of those ultimately impacted.

Also create a program that corporations can register for that allows for increased public access to their inner workings and allows them to agree to a set of higher standards for doing business. These companies could be favored for government contracts which could make it very effective in certain industries.
 
allows [firms] to agree to a set of higher standards for doing business.
Unfortunately, and I'm not being pessimistic for the sake of obstruction, this is like the principle of all those checks and balances; the expectation that good people will do the 'right' thing. I agree with what you're saying but I just don't think these companies will self-report. Greed and insensitivity have eaten away at big business like necrosis.
 
Unfortunately, and I'm not being pessimistic for the sake of obstruction, this is like the principle of all those checks and balances; the expectation that good people will do the 'right' thing. I agree with what you're saying but I just don't think these companies will self-report. Greed and insensitivity have eaten away at big business like necrosis.
I was envisioning some level of government integration into the businesses themselves as a possibility, so that it's more than just sharing a single annual or occasional quarterly report that can be easily falsified, but the details are hard to pin down when the idea is only at a conceptual stage and you're right that if people are looking to cheat now they'll be looking for ways to cheat whatever system is put in place. That said I feel like this goes back to what I said before in the short discussion of libertarianism. You're always going to be at the mercy of people's willingness to participate. That's inescapable. If we try to cap profits I can see businesses splitting into sub billion dollar entities and colluding for example. Or perhaps under reporting earnings. If we give the people wronged the tools to go after their transgressors then at least we have "greed", or more accurately self preservation, and justice aligned. At least on paper.

Either way it's a problem that will take serious effort to fix.
 
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