America - The Official Thread

[TB]

He doesn't kill his own people mate.

He might not have is hands around their throats or finger on the trigger but he's still done plenty of damage that has cost American lives.

Horrendous handling of anything Covid related.
Condoning the actions on J6 through pardons.
Installing the Supreme Court justices that overturned Roe v. Wade.
Closed the Office of Gun Violence Prevention.

NOTHING he's done or is doing is for the protection of the citizens of the United States.

Still waiting on those egg prices to drop, too. Any day now...

 

[Danoff]

He doesn't kill his own people mate.

The January 6th rioters he pardoned were a friendly bunch who love cops and the vice president I guess.

 

[eran0004]

Sounds like patriotism is the thing that's needed more than anything

No, humanism needs to come first. Putting nationalism or patriotism or pretty much any other ism (or religion) above humanism means that you're effectively advocating for tyranny in some form.

 

[Scaff]

OK OK OK let me rephrase: the Western world must stand up to the Chinese Communist Party and it's tyrannical leader Xi Jingping or else things could get messy indeed. I was not referring to the people of China because not all of them are evil. Sorry if I did not make that distinction clear enough for you.

You didn't make that distinction at all.

But saying that Trump is a tyrant?

He is.

Wow. I don't think he'll have people killed for going against him or order the massacre of uni students in a town square.

Claiming people hold a view they haven't stated, and using as a point to argue against is called a 'Strawman fallacy', it's a logical fallacy and shows either dishonestly and/or a weak position on the part of those that use them.

He will not enslave thousands of Uighur Muslims

Given that it's an ethnic group from Asia that would be a bit of a stretch, it's also your second strawman.

and he will not persecute people who are LGBTQI.

He already is (and did during his first term)!

Trump's anti-trans executive order 'a direct assault on LGBTQ+ Americans'

LGBTQ+ groups and charities have branded Donald Trump’s anti-trans executive order a “direct assault on LGBTQ+ Americans”.

www.thepinknews.com

Another thing he won't do is exterminate millions of Jews.

And that's strawman number three.

Trump loves his country, yes, but he's no Hitler.

Trump loves power, money, and himself. And if he has to be an authoritarian (tyranny exists in many forms - not just Hitler) to do so, he will, and has stated as much himself. Not only that, but the EO he's issuing are already testing the water, and that's without the unaccountable power the SCOTUS handed the position.


On a high note, at least some of those from JAn 6 TRump issued pardons to have had some return to a moral compass. It may only be two, but it's better than none.

‘I Broke The Law': Capitol Rioters Reject Trump’s Pardons, Demand Accountability

"Trump can shove his pardon up his a**," said one former Trump "obsessor" who was sentenced to 90 days in jail for his role in the attack.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

 

[eran0004]

He doesn't kill his own people mate.

Nobody does. The modus operandi of these individuals is to first proclaim that they're no longer "your people", then that they are "a threat to your people" and then you have them killed in order to "protect your people".

 

[Meythia]

Nobody does. The modus operandi of these individuals is to first proclaim that they're no longer "your people", then that they are "a threat to your people" and then you have them killed in order to "protect your people".

On the other side of the globe, accidents happen.
As if political power attracts accidents.

 

[Joey D]

Not the bipartisan interaction I was expecting:



For as terrible as Trump is, declassifying the documents on JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr. is huge. The country deserves to know what happened, and it's been long enough that anyone involved in a cover-up is dead. Declassifying any file on UFOs and UAPs would be an even bigger deal. Granted, I do think this is to distract from Trump doing more asinine crap, but he's going to do that crap whether we are watching or not, so we might as well be entertained by all of these files while the world burns. If there is something within the UFO files, I'm guessing Führer Musk is chomping at the bit to get billions of that sweet, sweet military budget to build space stuff to protect us from the aliens.

 

[Danoff]

Not the bipartisan interaction I was expecting:



For as terrible as Trump is, declassifying the documents on JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr. is huge. The country deserves to know what happened, and it's been long enough that anyone involved in a cover-up is dead. Declassifying any file on UFOs and UAPs would be an even bigger deal. Granted, I do think this is to distract from Trump doing more asinine crap, but he's going to do that crap whether we are watching or not, so we might as well be entertained by all of these files while the world burns. If there is something within the UFO files, I'm guessing Führer Musk is chomping at the bit to get billions of that sweet, sweet military budget to build space stuff to protect us from the aliens.

He's already showed all that stuff to his friends anyway.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Some way of formally detailing the effect of businesses on society and highlighting ethical practices couldn't hurt. I'm wondering now if the concept of wealth through prosperity is considered at all in business education. In the short term maximizing your own profit is best but in the long run raising everyone else up accelerates progress overall, or at least I'd think so.

The problem is that its not only best, its often the only consideration, particularly if the executives making the decision are beholden to shareholder returns. A totally unregulated capitalist system would be the most effective and fastest way to fully consume the resources of earth and make it an unlivable hellscape, and everyone would think they are doing the right thing. But now we have an entire slice of political electorate, who are petulant children, that act in bad faith at every opportunity. Trump doesn't want to drill in the artic (and everywhere else) because its necessary or makes sense, he wants to drill in the artic because its contrarian. The whole god damn conservative movement is contrarian simply because they have no actual ideas. Whatever the liberals want to do, we'll do the opposite because its the opposite.

We need to start thinking like this: How can we be good ancestors?

 

[UKMikey]

98% of Costco's shareholders just voted to reject pressure from Trump and his mob to ditch DEI initiatives.

Costco successfully defends its diversity policies as other US companies scale theirs back

Costco has claimed victory in pushing back on a shareholder proposal that urges the wholesale club operator to conduct an evaluation of any business risks posed by its diversity, equity and inclusion practices.

apnews.com

 

[Liquid]

Interfering with private businesses? What is this, the Soviet Union? How very free market.

 

[Blitz24]

98% of Costco's shareholders just voted to reject pressure from Trump and his mob to ditch DEI initiatives.

Costco successfully defends its diversity policies as other US companies scale theirs back

Costco has claimed victory in pushing back on a shareholder proposal that urges the wholesale club operator to conduct an evaluation of any business risks posed by its diversity, equity and inclusion practices.

apnews.com

Costco will get banned from America or attacked by white doofuses.

 

[Danoff]

The problem is that its not only best, its often the only consideration, particularly if the executives making the decision are beholden to shareholder returns.

Maximizing shareholder returns is just about the dumbest thing going. It turns out that shareholders often have no idea what's going on in the company, what's good for the company, where the company is going, or half the time even give two flips about the company. Trying to do and say things to get these people excited about buying shares is just the worst way to run a company.

 

[Meythia]

Granted, I do think this is to distract from Trump doing more asinine crap

From what I have read, the "comparatively low volume of still classified documents" wouldnt paint a different picture, so in fact it really would be done as a form of distraction.
Especially since Trump is doing that right now, this is more than an obvious sign of not doing it by good intentions.

 

[TB]

JFK

RFK

MLK

 

[05XR8]

Not the bipartisan interaction I was expecting:



For as terrible as Trump is, declassifying the documents on JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr. is huge. The country deserves to know what happened, and it's been long enough that anyone involved in a cover-up is dead. Declassifying any file on UFOs and UAPs would be an even bigger deal. Granted, I do think this is to distract from Trump doing more asinine crap, but he's going to do that crap whether we are watching or not, so we might as well be entertained by all of these files while the world burns. If there is something within the UFO files, I'm guessing Führer Musk is chomping at the bit to get billions of that sweet, sweet military budget to build space stuff to protect us from the aliens.

We talking Tony Stark or Mysterio? Maybe Ultron… yikes!

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Maximizing shareholder returns is just about the dumbest thing going. It turns out that shareholders often have no idea what's going on in the company, what's good for the company, where the company is going, or half the time even give two flips about the company. Trying to do and say things to get these people excited about buying shares is just the worst way to run a company.

I'm with you - but its the surest path* to BigWealth there is. As long as obscene wealth can legally be obtained (it can) and as long as people want obscene wealth more than anything else (they do) then its going to continue. It's just fully integrated into corporate civilization now. We either need to make obscene wealth less appealing (like a 100% tax on wealth over $1bn or something) or overhaul executive compensation with more guardrails, or enforce ethics. If we don't change anything, I'm afraid we're going to end up as a fundamentally unproductive, ethically bankrupt society, which just consumes and destroys the earth.

*What I mean here is that its a path that can be planned via business degrees, networking, rising through corporate ladders rather than the other way which is to be a very lucky AND a charismatic/charlatan salesman like Musk/Bezos/Zuck which requires immense will, a lot of uppers, and even less ethics.

 

[UKMikey]

We talking Tony Stark or Mysterio? Maybe Ultron… yikes!

Fabian Stankowicz.

 

[Danoff]

We either need to make obscene wealth less appealing (like a 100% tax on wealth over $1bn or something) or overhaul executive compensation with more guardrails, or enforce ethics.

Maybe some kind of tax on IPO.

 

[GranTurNismo]

I'm with you - but its the surest path* to BigWealth there is. As long as obscene wealth can legally be obtained (it can) and as long as people want obscene wealth more than anything else (they do) then its going to continue. It's just fully integrated into corporate civilization now. We either need to make obscene wealth less appealing (like a 100% tax on wealth over $1bn or something) or overhaul executive compensation with more guardrails, or enforce ethics. If we don't change anything, I'm afraid we're going to end up as a fundamentally unproductive, ethically bankrupt society, which just consumes and destroys the earth.

*What I mean here is that its a path that can be planned via business degrees, networking, rising through corporate ladders rather than the other way which is to be a very lucky AND a charismatic/charlatan salesman like Musk/Bezos/Zuck which requires immense will, a lot of uppers, and even less ethics.

B-b-but what about muh FREE MARKET? Taxation is THEFT.

 

[Darla Starch]

B-b-but what about muh FREE MARKET? Taxation is THEFT.

 

[Pupik]

Costco will get banned from America or attacked by white doofuses.

Don't worry, they can't get in without a valid membership.

Not the bipartisan interaction I was expecting:



For as terrible as Trump is, declassifying the documents on JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr. is huge.

Meanwhile, the J6 and Ukraine files on DJT have already been incinerated, so they've technically already been revealed.

 

[Imari]

OK OK OK let me rephrase: the Western world must stand up to the Chinese Communist Party and it's tyrannical leader Xi Jingping or else things could get messy indeed.

Why exactly is "standing up to" China, which is presumably code for aggressively provocative economic policies and or direct military action, a desirable thing?

What is the "messy thing" that can only be solved by "standing up to" China and in no other way, like diplomacy, co-operation, etc.?

I don't think China being a country run by tyrants that kills it's own citizens is disqualifying for the US to work together with them. For starters, that would be the pot calling the kettle black. Plus the fact that the US is fine working with Israel. And all the other rotten regimes that the US has enabled or propped up over the years because it was in their interest. A foreign power being run in disgusting ways by assholes is honestly probably something that the US looks on favourably, as it gives them another potential avenue for control.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like a lot of the stuff China does and how it's run. I'm not going to make excuses that those things are morally good. I'm just not myopic enough to ignore the fact that many other countries do the same stuff and get a pass, so I don't think it's really fair to hold those things against them in terms of international diplomacy.

 

[05XR8]

Fabian Stankowicz.

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Yeah, I gave Musk too much credit. Probably more like Justin Hammer.

 

[Tornado]

OK OK OK let me rephrase: the Western world must stand up to the Chinese Communist Party and it's tyrannical leader Xi Jingping or else things could get messy indeed.

All it took to get him to try and reverse a ban on a method for the CCP having a direct line to manipulating the American public (that he originally championed in the first place mind you) was them writing him a huge check and kissing his ass at his inauguration.

I don't think he'll have people killed for going against him or order the massacre of uni students in a town square.

Trump, in his first term before the Supreme Court told him he could do whatever he wanted as long as he claimed it was presidential and when he actually had some competent people in his cabinet, literally used federal police to teargas a crowd of peaceful protestors in a town square; and the only justification he had to do so was so he could do a photo op with a bible he found somewhere.

 

[Jezza819]

98% of Costco's shareholders just voted to reject pressure from Trump and his mob to ditch DEI initiatives.

Costco successfully defends its diversity policies as other US companies scale theirs back

Costco has claimed victory in pushing back on a shareholder proposal that urges the wholesale club operator to conduct an evaluation of any business risks posed by its diversity, equity and inclusion practices.

apnews.com

I really haven't understood this since the conservatives started getting their britches in a bunch over it a few years ago.

So the opposite of Diversity would be Homogeneity? "A state in which everything is the same kind of thing". Which would mean to conservatives white, male, Christian, heterosexual?

If they're opposed to Equality that would mean they're pro Inequality.

And the opposite to Inclusion would be Exclusion.

So why don't they just come right out and instead of saying "We need to get rid of all the DEI policies". They should say, "We need for everyone to be the same and we need more inequality and exclusion policies". Most everyone already knows how full of **** conservatives are anyway.