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Q.E.D.
He ain’t going back.
Just wait until “foreign policy” comes for US citizens who oppose Russia and/or Israel.
He ain’t going back.
Just wait until “foreign policy” comes for US citizens who oppose Russia and/or Israel.
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The Supreme Court absolutely needs to die on this hill, if needs be. Otherwise the executive branch can do essentially anything it wants as long as the action is somehow put beyond the jurisdiction or action of the court before the court has opportunity to make a decision. Trump is already talking about deporting US Citizens to El Salvador. I'm not sure if its even materially different if there is no due process - you can't claim constitutional protection, even if you are a US citizen, if you are never given the opportunity to do so.
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I swear Musk is/was was/is the Court jester/distraction while Trumpf's folks were and still are causing havoc in front of the camera.
It really is a blitzkrieg at democracy. Tariffs, Greenland, deportation, attacking Democratic votes in North Carolina, ignoring all court procedure. They've not even used smoke and mirrors yet. Everything is being done in full view.
We need to see some strong
from all peoples to help Congress fix what the Trumpf administration are destroying.
It really is a blitzkrieg at democracy. Tariffs, Greenland, deportation, attacking Democratic votes in North Carolina, ignoring all court procedure. They've not even used smoke and mirrors yet. Everything is being done in full view.
We need to see some strong
from all peoples to help Congress fix what the Trumpf administration are destroying.
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Yeah, I just watched that reel of the dictator and the wannabes laughing off and lying about bringing Garcia back.
I haven't been back to the states going on 17 years, but if they're on a full court press to deter people from coming to the USA, it's working on me.
I haven't been back to the states going on 17 years, but if they're on a full court press to deter people from coming to the USA, it's working on me.
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I don't know that I agree with that.
I agree that this is egregious and serious and awful and depressing. And I agree that it's a problem. But I don't know that I really need the court to demand that the executive pull some kind of foreign policy strings with another country over someone who came to the US illegally and was an asylum seeker.
As far as ideas go, the idea to make the uh... camp... in El Salvador instead of the US is a pretty good one. Awful, of course, immoral, sure, but clever and a challenge for the US as a whole.
If he were a US citizen I would say yea maybe die on this hill. I think there will be another hill to die on soon anyway. I don't draw the distinction between citizen and asylum seeker out of some kind of notion that a citizen is a different kind of person or suffers more or anything like that. But I think it would be a stronger case for the supreme court legally.
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This case should be an even bigger scandal than it is. We took the time to make sure that this guy really was in danger (properly seeking asylum) and then accidentally sent him back there? Horrific.
Edit 2: A little side note is that it wasn't actually asylum because it wasn't submitted in time. It was a "withholding of removal" which requires even MORE proving up of risk.
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Murdoch owns the rights to John Oliver in the UK and blocked all his YouTube videos over here, so I can't watch this one unless I hoist the jolly roger or shell out for a VPN. Further evidence, if any were needed, of the increasing corporate encrappification of modern society.
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Trump is caught on microphone saying he's going to send US citizens to El Salvador and has asked the El Salvador dictator to build five more prisons. Also there are no real journalists in press meetings, just the tame journalists that belong to Trump supporters.
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Oh this bitch is big mad.
G'damn he really doesn't like people who offer a different perspective on his actions, eh?
America needs, and I stress this word hard - NEEDS - to learn from his presidency. Don't elect B-List celebrities, crooks or liars to office. They only understand the law enough to skirt it, and have absolutely no respect for the American constitution.
This orange buffoon is putting his wild, idiotic tantrums on full display for the world. He thinks he sounds strong, everyone else thinks he sounds stupid, and he's the leading representative of the USA.
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A bit less than half of the people in the US think he doesn't sound stupid.
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The time for national contemplation was during and following his first term, especially after Jan 6th... in just about every other nation on earth he'd be politically dead and buried (at least). All the red flags were present then.
It would take a self-inflicted catastrophe for enough of the cult to wake up and smell the roses, as it is IF there's another election in '28 and IF the D's win (assuming no attempt at a coup d'état) then based off the past 2 months there's going to be one hell of a salvage job.
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Even if this isnt mathematically correct, those who think he doesnt sound stupid are more than those who voted for him (supposing his voterbase already was 100% participating as is the case whenever there is a hard-right-wing party on the polls, everyone who didnt vote would have been any other party and likely some dems to change the tide).
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I would wager a sizeable portion of that group doesn't buy into or even care about his policies or the effects they will have on their wellbeing in the future. They just wanted to spend a couple months dancing around waving their middle fingers in the air and yelling "YOU MAD BRO LOLOLOL WE WON" before forgetting about it and moving onto the next meme, just like what happened the first time he got elected.
You can't tell me that the same demographic who once ate Tide pods because TikTok dared them to, and who are currently getting kicked out of movie threaters because TikTok is telling them throw stuff at the screen during the Minecraft movie, are capable of comprehending the long-term ramifications of their decisions.
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I'm not sure why you think that may be.
No, probably a bit less than those that voted for him. A very non-zero group thought he sounded stupid and voted for him anyway.
There is certainly some level of this going on. But a lot of what got him elected isn't this. There's a wide swath of the US population that think he has good points.
I'm not sure folks are really trying to see this from the other side to understand how they're thinking. Take the El Salvador man who was deported. A lot of those people think he shouldn't have been here in the first place and belongs in El Salvador, and they don't care about the particulars or asylum. A lot of those people think we SHOULD bully other countries, or the press, because they think we're better than those countries and the press is full of evil people.
I don't think his supporters are unhappy yet. There was a hint of it when too many people got fired from the government, and there is a hint of it with the stock market. But we're not there yet.
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There's also a rural demographic, mostly in states where traditional industries and the jobs that went with them have largely disappeared over the last forty or so years, that have (next to) nothing and no brighter future on the horizon, who need to see some change and don't see it coming from either the Democrats or traditional GOP. They probably deep down know that Trump won't make their lives any better, but if they see others suffering too, its hardly going to ruin their day.
It's like Brexit in the UK. Few people were going to benefit from it in the short to medium term, but the hope of some sort of cataclysmic shift in the future, from which they may benefit from, and the potential side effect of suffering - or at least a level of discomfort in demographics who can usually ride out short-term economical turmoil, then they see that as a form of social levelling.
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Doing a LinkedIn Learning course on Problem Solving Techniques for work (I sometimes get paid to just watch these courses) and the presenter just gave an example of what can happen if you assume the problem only has one cause and not two, and it made me laugh as I'm 99% sure this is what Trump does!
The example;
When the weather is hot, more people swim in the sea to cool down. As more people swim in the sea, unfortunately some of them will get in to distress and drown.
Also during hot weather, more people eat ice cream. It's easy to draw a correlation between increased ice cream consumption and people drowning, and ban ice cream, but that won't actually stop people drowning, as you've failed to identify the separate causes (for increased ice cream consumption and people drowning).
It honestly feels like Trump lives in a world where the first 'cause' is the only cause, and getting rid of that cause fixes everything. If there turns out to be a second separate cause, he's already lost interest and moved on.
The example;
When the weather is hot, more people swim in the sea to cool down. As more people swim in the sea, unfortunately some of them will get in to distress and drown.
Also during hot weather, more people eat ice cream. It's easy to draw a correlation between increased ice cream consumption and people drowning, and ban ice cream, but that won't actually stop people drowning, as you've failed to identify the separate causes (for increased ice cream consumption and people drowning).
It honestly feels like Trump lives in a world where the first 'cause' is the only cause, and getting rid of that cause fixes everything. If there turns out to be a second separate cause, he's already lost interest and moved on.
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