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[calaby01]

Not sure why hanging pedals should be better. Otherwise Porsche would make them hang in their cars as well.

Not trying to be offensive but are you really involved with the Porsche company at all. Porsche has not had pedals hinged to the floor since 1997 when they produced your last air cooled 911. So that means Porsche actually quit making pedals like that before Fanatec was even started.

Edit: I stand corrected Porsche does still hinge their gas pedal from the floor. But the other two are as I spoke of and hung instead of sitting on the floor. I made a mistake but then again I am not associated with the company.

 

[Gabkicks]

IIRC, the gas pedal is attached to floor, and the others hang down in the porsches i've sat in. I dont know about every single model

 

[Delphic Reason]

Not trying to be offensive but are you really involved with the Porsche company at all. Porsche has not had pedals hinged to the floor since 1997 when they produced your last air cooled 911. So that means Porsche actually quit making pedals like that before Fanatec was even started.

Well, you beat me to it.

Not sure why hanging pedals should be better. Otherwise Porsche would make them hang in their cars as well.

Considering most ALL cars have their pedals hinged from above, most ALL cockpit builders try and find some way of inverting their pedals. The G25 pedals have always allowed for easy rearrangement. It looks to me that this would be possible with these pedals, and even looks like you may have had this in mind. Therefore, your response seems a bit strange, especially considering Porsche does hinge it's pedals from above.

 

[Gabkicks]

what about the gas pedal in that pic?

 

[nissan tuner]

I thought all 997's had their gas mounted to the floor? If cockpit builders want to invert the Clubsports, they can always find a new pedal plate if they dont like the the gas pedal.

 

[oqvist]

CSP pedals are not built after any Porsche car.

I have done some racing now and I really like this brake. It doesn´t feel like a real brake but the sense of control I feel I got with it compensates. And these pedals certainly are rock solid. Though I will have to mount them more securily now since they tend to want to wonder a bit after a while if you think you should stand on the brake to much

 

[Dijital Majik]

What about the Carrera GT pedals?

 

[Delphic Reason]

This is my problem. I have asked a number of very straightforward easy to answer questions. I have recieved more questions than answers from Fanatec. Instead of asking me why I want something. Just answer the @#%*! question. I have been standing up for you (Fanatec), but I'm starting to lose my patience.

Fanatec, for the last time (or to anyone who currently has the pedals), could you feasibly rearange the position of the pedals on the 2 shafts the pedals are mounted to? Thus making it possible to invert them? It seems very possible from what I have seen in pictures. I just need someone to confirm. My Clubsport pedal order can be cancelled, and will be cancelled if I do not at least receive a straightforward response.

I know for a fact, you can invert the G25 pedals (they were designed with this in mind), so if I may just cancel my order and go with G25 pedals, unless I can get some kind of clarification on this point.

Dijital Majik: I'm glad they at least don't look like that. I've never liked that style of pedals, let alone any floor hinged pedal setup. Hence why I would like a straight answer.

 

[oqvist]

From my quick look you simply just need some longer wires to exchange the pots. Personally I don´t see the point is there any specific car you are trying to replicate so I would also be interested in hearing why

 

[Delphic Reason]

From my quick look you simply just need some longer wires to exchange the pots. Personally I don´t see the point is there any specific car you are trying to replicate so I would also be interested in hearing why

Well, I would like to replicate 90% of the cars on the road, instead of just 10%.

Honestly, I just don't like floor hinged pedals. I have always preferred the feel of the top hinged variety. I think most people can agree with me there. It's no accident a large number of people invert there G25 pedals. It's also no accident they were designed with rearrangement in mind.

So, in regards to your response:

The wires connecting the pedal sensors to the frame are pretty short? That was something I was worried about. Would they be fairly easy to lengthen? A bit of soldering I suspect?

 

[oqvist]

If you have soldering skills it should be possible I suppose but better just finding longer cables somewhere. No idea what exact cable to google for though.

Also I do expect 99 % of all G25 users run with them floor mounted .
My CST pedals are over hang model but I preferr them floor mounted like in most real racing cars. Would love to have that in my real cars as well it´s just more racing that way

 

[Hotrails17]

Hi all. Was suggested by a poster on another forum that I come here to ask a question on the Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel / GT5 compatibility. I've read through a lot of the thread but there are a lot of different wheels being discussed, so apologies if this has already been asked.

I don't know if anyone knows yet... but will the Porsche 911 Turbo S Wheel work properly with the PS3 / GT5? I understand that it's supposed to be compatible with the PS3 but as it's a considerable chunk of cash I want to make sure in as many places as possible first! I'd guess that this should be able to do everything the Logitech G25 can do (for example)?

I'm quite excited because I said that I wouldn't buy a wheel until I could get one that worked on the PS3 and 360... and this looks like the one. Thanks in advance for any help.

Yup the Turbo S is 100% compatible with GT5. On the Fanatec support page it even gives you the new drivers so it works as soon as you plug it in. 👍

 

[Delphic Reason]

If you have soldering skills it should be possible I suppose but better just finding longer cables somewhere. No idea what exact cable to google for though.

I guess I'll have to see how the cables are connected at both ends, then. Hard to tell what I need without that knowledge. It sounds like it's not impossible, so I'll probably give it a go.

Also I do expect 99 % of all G25 users run with them floor mounted .

I'd say that number is way too high. Maybe 80%. Besides, that doesn't change the fact that Logitech designed them so they could be taken apart and rearranged/inverted.

My CST pedals are over hang model but I prefer them floor mounted like in most real racing cars. Would love to have that in my real cars as well it´s just more racing that way

I'm not sure what racing cars you have been in, but all the different race cars I have driven, all had top hinged pedals. Probably a big reason why I prefer it. Not sure how them being floor hinged makes them racier.

 

[nissan tuner]

I'm not sure what racing cars you have been in, but all the different race cars I have driven, all had top hinged pedals. Probably a big reason why I prefer it. Not sure how them being floor hinged makes them racier.

I'm not trying to persuade you into liking floor mounted pedals but a ton of racecars, including F1's, have that style of pedal.

 

[Psychotext]

Yup the Turbo S is 100% compatible with GT5. On the Fanatec support page it even gives you the new drivers so it works as soon as you plug it in. 👍

Thank you. Now to tell the missus that I'm buying a £300+ wheel.

Wish me luck.

 

[Brend]

so, has anyone bought this and is it worth the moneys??? im going to buy a wheel and i liked the look of this one

 

[Gabkicks]

yes, many already have their their gt3 wheels. if you look here and elsewhere, you will see opinions and reviews.

 

[Delphic Reason]

I'm not trying to persuade you into liking floor mounted pedals but a ton of racecars, including F1's, have that style of pedal.

Oh, I am aware there are many cars with them floor hinged. There are also many with them top hinged. Most of my experience has been with Rally, Autocross/Rallycross, Drifting, Drag. Most all of the vehicles I have come up against, in said disciplines, have been of the top hinged variety. Hence my preference for them in the aforementioned configuration.

 

[Dijital Majik]

Dijital Majik: I'm glad they at least don't look like that. I've never liked that style of pedals, let alone any floor hinged pedal setup. Hence why I would like a straight answer.

Tell me about it, the Carrera GT pedals are ugly and look awkward to use. Definitely a top-hinge pedal fan myself too, they just feel much nicer to use for me.

 

[The Outlaw]

Good news for you GT3 RS wheel owners - Ferrari Challenge for the PS3 works just fine with the GT3 wheel and Clubsport pedals This is my first time playing FC with a wheel and I must say the FFB quality is miles ahead of GT5P And feels beautiful with the Fanatec wheel. PD could definitely learn a thing or two from them, amazingly enough... I still believe GT5P's physics are a bit better though...but the FFB quality is of no comparison between the two games

Other than that the wheel has been performing flawlessly 👍 My biggest gripe and concern would have to be the Club Sport Pedals though, and particularly the braking response, modularity, and lack thereof. With the way the pedals actuate and modulate now I really am uncertain if it is even possible to put in a top caliber lap time. From the factory the brake pedal actuation was a mess, as it had about 2 1/2" of travel and the first inch didn't even activate the brake in game. Since then I've tried experimenting with the brake travel by changing out the medal slug and repositioning the brake rod as suggested by Thomas. This has helped a bit for me, as it has eliminated most if not all of the wasted travel that was present with the default settings. The only thing is now there is only about a 1/2" of pedal travel to modulate the entire braking force/range, with the different brake assembly settings/positions. The brake also doesn't provide nearly enough response even when the load cell sensor is adjusted to the most responsive setting. To get even the slightest amount of brake pressure in the game you must apply an unnecessary amount of force to the brake pedal, which just feels awkward and unnatural...and usually ends up making you think excessively about braking while entering the corner. To increase braking force from the initial bit you must apply an excessive amount of force to the pedal in order to get more braking force. This coupled with the already short modulation range and somewhat bindey/frictioney articulation, makes precise braking very difficult it seems I really hope the new firmware fixes or improves these issues dramatically...otherwise I'm a bit skeptical of the functionality of the Club Sport Pedals, and particularly the new brake design No question the pedals are built nicely and look solid, but if they don't work ideally I don't want them.

Delphic Reason: Looking at the CS pedal assembly it looks as if it could easily be converted to a top hinged configuration 👍

 

[kikie]

We can come up with a new wheel if there is strong demand

And what kind of wheel will that be? A hardcore PS3 wheel? 💡 because that's what I want. I don't have an Xbox 360, don't want to use a pc anymore (too expensive if you have to upgrade you're pc all the time when new race games come out), I sold my PS3 last year but I will get one later this year or early next year. So a fully compatible PS3 wheel would be very nice.

Fanatec, for the last time (or to anyone who currently has the pedals), could you feasibly rearange the position of the pedals on the 2 shafts the pedals are mounted to? Thus making it possible to invert them?

Why don't you get the hypothetical G27 pedals? . I'm very sorry Delphic Reason, but I couldn't let this slip by. No offence intended.

No seriously, aren't you going to void the warranty if you invert the CSP pedals?

 

[Delphic Reason]

Delphic Reason: Looking at the CS pedal assembly it looks as if it could easily be converted to a top hinged configuration

See, that wasn't hard.

Thank you for your response, and in depth review of the pedals, to boot.

Why don't you get the hypothetical G27 pedals? . I'm very sorry Delphic Reason, but I couldn't let this slip by. No offence intended.

No seriously, aren't you going to void the warranty if you invert the CSP pedals?

Hahaha. Ok, you got me.

That's a good question though. I probably will void the warranty, but I'll probably beef up the wires/connections, etc... while I'm at it. (I'm a soldering fool), so barring a major meltdown of the pedal internals, I should be fine. The G25 pedals lasted me a few years out of their plastic base (inverted). We'll see how long these CS's can last.

 

[oqvist]

Good news for you GT3 RS wheel owners - Ferrari Challenge for the PS3 works just fine with the GT3 wheel and Clubsport pedals This is my first time playing FC with a wheel and I must say the FFB quality is miles ahead of GT5P And feels beautiful with the Fanatec wheel. PD could definitely learn a thing or two from them, amazingly enough... I still believe GT5P's physics are a bit better though...but the FFB quality is of no comparison between the two games

Other than that the wheel has been performing flawlessly ...

Good finding mirrors my own in just about everything except though I do think I get a lot of precision out of it. I run second hole and the 1 mm longer steel rod as well since the stock brake have just too much travel, to big deadzone and too little resistance.

I am used to short stiff brakes earlier with the Frex and my CST pedals but this is virtually completely stiff pedals with as mentioned perhaps 5 mm travel. Whereas the first 1-2 is deadzone. But since it goes 100 % on pressure it works but If you are after some realistic feel this is not the pedals to go for. Mind you this setting demands a cockpit forget a moving wheel chair and the pedals need to be mounted firmly if you are going for the über stiff setting. In stock no problem of course. I have made some comparisons to the CST pedals and beated my times with the CSP driving the Camaro which tend to get quite wormy on me during braking. Also tried some iRacing same issue there much less lock ups. In that sim it´s enough to nudge the brakes to lock them up for some strange reason. However with the CSP pedals compared to the standard Fanatec, G25 pedals stock I have to work harder to lock my brakes rather then keeping them from locking. Before I heard them lock and went oh **** now I can predict more when I am going to lock my tires. So I do it a bit on purpose to see how close to the threshold I am. So the brake feel certainly is there. CST pedals are smoother with more resolution when you dry sim but I don´t feel any greater precision while I race. May be partly due to me needing racing shoes with those

As mentioned my left leg is like two times the size of my right. It´s at least two times as stiff probably due to my simracing with short stiff breaks. For LFS when you have to RFB the pressure needed to go to full brake is simply to much to be done with the control I am capable of with my left. Even taken into consideration I am left footed since birth and for some reason find it very weird to RFB in my sims though I do it in real life all the time. I do loose a bit of control due to the extreme pressure for RFB.

But well for me they doesn´t lack in precision at all but I would have hoped for more adjustability regarding travel/pressure on the brake. The pot needs to be fully right I haven´t found any use for it as of yet. Particularly on the brake which is the hardest pedal to get good. If you are after a realistic brake pedal get the nixim modded G25 pedals it seems like. Though I love how rock solid they are. throttle and clutch feels great though they have a tad much travel. How much shorter does they get if you put them in the third hole?

What I do like about them is the rock solid feel. 100 % metal and they don´t flex anywhere. With new lubricants the throttle and clutch is really really smooth. The brake have to little travel to be able to measure but I don´t see why it would be different They are better then the stock Fanatec pedals due to the considerably higher precision and much more solid construction that´s for sure.

 

[Ps3fanboy]

And what kind of wheel will that be? A hardcore PS3 wheel? 💡 because that's what I want. I don't have an Xbox 360, don't want to use a pc anymore (too expensive if you have to upgrade you're pc all the time when new race games come out), I sold my PS3 last year but I will get one later this year or early next year. So a fully compatible PS3 wheel would be very nice.

Why don't you get the hypothetical G27 pedals? . I'm very sorry Delphic Reason, but I couldn't let this slip by. No offence intended.

No seriously, aren't you going to void the warranty if you invert the CSP pedals?

i guess he means more copys of the porsche 911 turbo s wheel, but thats just a guess.

 

[detergent]

Should we come up with a compatability list of the GT3 RS wheel and PS3 games? Something that includes what features are working best such as the 900 degree mode force feed back etc?

 

[Gnomie]

But well for me they doesn´t lack in precision at all but I would have hoped for more adjustability regarding travel/pressure on the brake. The pot needs to be fully right I haven´t found any use for it as of yet. Particularly on the brake which is the hardest pedal to get good. (...)

What I do like about them is the rock solid feel. 100 % metal and they don´t flex anywhere. With new lubricants the throttle and clutch is really really smooth. The brake have to little travel to be able to measure but I don´t see why it would be different

Let me see if I understand correctly: are you saying that the brake is too soft and squishy in the stock configuration, and if you move to the next hole and use the longer metal rod the travel becomes too short? Is this the general consensus among the CST owners as well?

If so, how about trying to replace the foam bit with something else that's a little bit stiffer? (Rubber perhaps) Has anyone tried that?

I'm in the June shipment, which probably means I'll get them sometime around Christmas if I know Fanatec correctly..

 

[Biggles]

Good news for you GT3 RS wheel owners - Ferrari Challenge for the PS3 works just fine with the GT3 wheel and Clubsport pedals This is my first time playing FC with a wheel and I must say the FFB quality is miles ahead of GT5P And feels beautiful with the Fanatec wheel. PD could definitely learn a thing or two from them, amazingly enough... I still believe GT5P's physics are a bit better though...but the FFB quality is of no comparison between the two games

Thank you for this news TA! As you may be aware, I have been (with a reckless disregard for my own safety ) extolling the virtues of the FFB in Ferrari Challenge for some time in the GT5P forum. I have at times wondered if the weakness of the FFB in GT5P had more to do with the G25 than the game itself, however, your comments seem to confirm that, even with the RS wheel, the FFB feels much more convincing in FC than GT5P. It is amazing how you can actually feel the weight of the car shifting around through the FFB in FC & the tires slipping & regaining traction.

Can anyone who has both the G25 pedals & Clubsport pedals confirm how the two compare? The Clubsport pedals are the most expensive part of the package, so it reasonable to expect that they should be very good...

Finally, any feedback on the shifter(s)?

 

[Ps3fanboy]

Should we come up with a compatability list of the GT3 RS wheel and PS3 games? Something that includes what features are working best such as the 900 degree mode force feed back etc?

i dont think you should, i think the new turbo s wheel will be awesome,

 

[oqvist]

Let me see if I understand correctly: are you saying that the brake is too soft and squishy in the stock configuration, and if you move to the next hole and use the longer metal rod the travel becomes too short? Is this the general consensus among the CST owners as well?

If so, how about trying to replace the foam bit with something else that's a little bit stiffer? (Rubber perhaps) Has anyone tried that?

I'm in the June shipment, which probably means I'll get them sometime around Christmas if I know Fanatec correctly..

zoomguy have already tried that with good results http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145043&page=2.

 

[Psychotext]

Anyone here have any comments on the standard Fanatec peddles? I understand they're not supposed to be as good as the G25 peddles (especially with the brake mod) but are they really that bad? I'd be happy enough getting just the Turbo S wheel and buying the G25 peddles... except as best I can tell you can't get the G25 pedals separately anywhere. At least not in the UK.

I've read that the clubsport pedals are considerably better, but if I add those the total cost goes from ludicrously expensive to bat**** metal expensive. =/