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'70 Nissan GTR. sweet handler, especially with LSD and a little stiffer suspension.
Any recommandations of cars for european race: '1000 miles!' ?
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Mazda cosmo with racing exhuast and computer. but if you racing against then AC cobra ... toyota 7 with sports tyres hehe. actual that car is fun to drive on sports tyres
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bucket of water
I thought the race was production cars only.
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ditto^mine is tooLILALyes indeed tyresi forgot to mention i changed the suspension becasue the jag was a Wollowey old hector round the nurburgring
and yeh i used b spec barney/bob/barry/bill/betty for some of the race and
A spec "Alex" (being my real name) for the rest
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Common glitch in Sarthe on B-Spec. Agreeing with the forum, the Shelby Cobra is easily the best car to use for B-Spec and A-spec!
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Sadly not, for the B-spec wussies around here.
It gives them an easy option. 
It's Sport or Normal tyres only, which means you can take a 700+HP race car from 1970, which scrapes in under the date restriction, put some S3 tyres on, and get all "manly" because you B-specced a win over a 17HP Fiat 500!
And to think they sacrificed online racing for the ability to "cheat" in this manner and take imaginary photos of vehicles that you "imaginarily" own.
Driving simulator? Yeah if you're the one doing the driving!
I've said this somewhere before, I'd never even imagined there'd be a market for a race "management" game, but now I'm proved wrong.
I'll be releasing NASCAR Race Manager 2007 soon!
Your chance to manage up to 30 dull tossers, racing a "huge" choice of up to 4 different cars around 15 dull circuits, and to keep you equally gripped, 2 circuits with right & left hand bends!
Kleenex on standby!
[/ Rant/Sarcasm Mode]
Smallhorses[Rant/Sarcasm Mode]
Sadly not, for the B-spec wussies around here.
It's Sport or Normal tyres only, which means you can take a 700+HP race car from 1970, which scrapes in under the date restriction, put some S3 tyres on, and get all "manly" because you B-specced a win over a 17HP Fiat 500!
And to think they sacrificed online racing for the ability to "cheat" in this manner and take imaginary photos of vehicles that you "imaginarily" own.
Driving simulator? Yeah if you're the one doing the driving!
I've said this somewhere before, I'd never even imagined there'd be a market for a race "management" game, but now I'm proved wrong.
I'll be releasing NASCAR Race Manager 2007 soon!
Your chance to manage up to 30 dull tossers, racing a "huge" choice of up to 4 different cars around 15 dull circuits, and to keep you equally gripped, 2 circuits with right & left hand bends!
Kleenex on standby!
[/ Rant/Sarcasm Mode]
i thinks you hit the nail on the head as it where
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I'll admit that I had to B-spec portions of each race in 1000 miles. It was only because I don't have enough time to sit through an entire race. (the wife usualy has other things planned for me than a day of racing
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Are you sure about that. I was going to use my '63 race Vette, and it wouldn't let me enter the race with it.
)Are you sure about that. I was going to use my '63 race Vette, and it wouldn't let me enter the race with it.
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I've just done the Nurburgring race in an Alfa Duetto. Only 130bhp, but great fun. I did the first 5 laps, and let b-spec bob get on with some racing whilst I worked. Coming back I found that on lap 23/25 bob was only 5 seconds ahead of the next car! I had to make an emergancy pit stop, switch to A-spec and then win the race 1'30" ahead.
EDIT: Also, by the end of the race the car was down 8bhp! With a car this slow it makes a big difference too, especially struggling going up hill.
EDIT: Also, by the end of the race the car was down 8bhp! With a car this slow it makes a big difference too, especially struggling going up hill.
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You can use the Alfa Romeo Guila Sprint won in the GTA cup in Alfa Romeo's one make race. I tried using the Beetle one time. The Alfa was never more than 7 mins behind me, but it was fun. Then the next race in Opera or w/e I lapped everyone in NO TIME.
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About 11 hours in real time. At 3x speed it would be a little more than 1/3 that time (just under 4 hours) due to the pit stops that are done in real time. In a stock AC Cobra, you will likely pit at least 20 times for all four races combined, and each pit stop takes about 30 seconds. Of course, if you do not monitor the pit stops, not only will 5 seconds be added to each stop, but the game will revert back to 1x speed.
In a stock AC Cobra with a decent B-spec driver expect the average finish times (normal speed) to be about :
3:20' (25 Laps = 324 miles) @ Nürburgring Nordschleife
2:30' (95 Laps = 170 miles) @ Opera Paris
3:10' (99 Laps = 206 miles) @ Côte d'Azur
2:30' (35 Laps = 295 miles) @ Circuit de la Sarthe II
For more detailed info on this event, including all the qualifying and AI cars, feel free to check out the following links:
I used the Shelby Mustang GT350. In B-spec. Total overkill, I know, but that was when all I really wanted to do was complete the game and unlock stuff, and I wouldn't have taken such a powerful car if I had known I wouldn't need it. On the other hand, if I really did want to finish it quickly, maybe I should have taken the fastest one available (Cobra).
I'm thinking of re-racing this one in A-spec, sometime. I have wanted to do an A-spec endurance race but many of them require you to use a really powerful car, and I hate the super-fast cars in GT4. They're really too much of a handful for me. So I'm thinking I'll try doing 1000 Miles with the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. Yes, it's more than enough power to let me make some mistakes, but the challenge with endurance racing is holding it together at all. I'm not a very good driver anyway.
But it'll have to wait a bit. I won't have a chance to even attempt this for quite some time.
I'm thinking of re-racing this one in A-spec, sometime. I have wanted to do an A-spec endurance race but many of them require you to use a really powerful car, and I hate the super-fast cars in GT4. They're really too much of a handful for me. So I'm thinking I'll try doing 1000 Miles with the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. Yes, it's more than enough power to let me make some mistakes, but the challenge with endurance racing is holding it together at all. I'm not a very good driver anyway.
But it'll have to wait a bit. I won't have a chance to even attempt this for quite some time.
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I used '69 Corvette Stingray, coffee, and a really long MP3 playlist haha.
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I have an issue with this post, the poster, and everyone else that feels the need to post garbage like this. Since you find it necessary to openly insult respectable people who are simply trying to enjoy a game, here for your edification is an appropriate response:
I DON'T CARE HOW GODLY YOUR GT skills are. Your 200 point skills will never be as good or worthwhile as my skills in respecting other players who have earned my respect. Your skills will never be as rewarding as my ability to feel good about myself without telling everyone that I'm better than you.
I don't need to win 200 point races to feel good about myself. I don't need to win all gold licenses to feel good about myself. I don't need other posters to tell me I'm a godly driver, or if you can't do the same as I, then you are a loser, a 'wussie' or whatever.
If you have an ego problem, get a doctor. I did not come to GTPlanet to find someone to worship. So you can win 200 point ASpec races. Good for you. Tell us all about it in the appropriate thread. Something like "Who are the most godly drivers in GT4" thread, ok?
For your narrow-minded consideration, think about this... Gran Turismo is a DRIVING SIMULATOR. Got it? Probably not... DRIVING SIMULATOR. How about now? I know, it's hard for you to understand. Tell you what, I will type more slowly since you probably can't read very fast: Some people like to drive. DRIVE.. get it? Sometimes, some people enjoy just driving a nice car on a nice track. Just enjoyment. Drive for the sake of driving. An XJ220 or R8 on Sarthe, GT40 on Nurburgring, Camaro LM on Seattle. Those are good times. It doesn't matter what the field is. It doesn't matter if I have competition or not. It doesn't matter if I'm racing equal or better competitors. MAYBE SOMETIMES I like the idea of having slower cars on the track that I have to drive around. Sometimes I'm driving against my own lap times. There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons for driving a vehicle that overpowers the AI vehicles and NONE OF THEM warrant your insults.
Posting things like "Easy win = no fun" is nothing more than a subtle insult along these same lines. People are not so stupid as you suppose. It is YOU that is being narrow-minded. We are quite well aware that a challenging race is usually more fun than an easy one. What you don't understand is that sometimes, some people are not driving for nothing other than winning the most difficult challenge we can possibly win, or prove to ourselves we can do it. I dont need to prove anything to myself or anyone else.
I realize this only comes with age... try to be patient.
Oh, and the last thing I have to say about it, Smallhorses you need better /rant skills. THIS is a rant. Study it, and keep in mind I spent 10 minutes removing text to shorten it up and tone it down.
[ / Rant Reply Mode OFF]
For everyone else, I sincerely apologize for exposing you to the previous 'unpleasantness'
[Rant/Sarcasm Mode]
Sadly not, for the B-spec wussies around here.
It's Sport or Normal tyres only, which means you can take a 700+HP race car from 1970, which scrapes in under the date restriction, put some S3 tyres on, and get all "manly" because you B-specced a win over a 17HP Fiat 500!
And to think they sacrificed online racing for the ability to "cheat" in this manner and take imaginary photos of vehicles that you "imaginarily" own.
Driving simulator? Yeah if you're the one doing the driving!
I've said this somewhere before, I'd never even imagined there'd be a market for a race "management" game, but now I'm proved wrong.
I'll be releasing NASCAR Race Manager 2007 soon!
Your chance to manage up to 30 dull tossers, racing a "huge" choice of up to 4 different cars around 15 dull circuits, and to keep you equally gripped, 2 circuits with right & left hand bends!
Kleenex on standby!
[/ Rant/Sarcasm Mode]
[ /Rant Reply Mode]
I have an issue with this post, the poster, and everyone else that feels the need to post garbage like this. Since you find it necessary to openly insult respectable people who are simply trying to enjoy a game, here for your edification is an appropriate response:
I DON'T CARE HOW GODLY YOUR GT skills are. Your 200 point skills will never be as good or worthwhile as my skills in respecting other players who have earned my respect. Your skills will never be as rewarding as my ability to feel good about myself without telling everyone that I'm better than you.
I don't need to win 200 point races to feel good about myself. I don't need to win all gold licenses to feel good about myself. I don't need other posters to tell me I'm a godly driver, or if you can't do the same as I, then you are a loser, a 'wussie' or whatever.
If you have an ego problem, get a doctor. I did not come to GTPlanet to find someone to worship. So you can win 200 point ASpec races. Good for you. Tell us all about it in the appropriate thread. Something like "Who are the most godly drivers in GT4" thread, ok?
For your narrow-minded consideration, think about this... Gran Turismo is a DRIVING SIMULATOR. Got it? Probably not... DRIVING SIMULATOR. How about now? I know, it's hard for you to understand. Tell you what, I will type more slowly since you probably can't read very fast: Some people like to drive. DRIVE.. get it? Sometimes, some people enjoy just driving a nice car on a nice track. Just enjoyment. Drive for the sake of driving. An XJ220 or R8 on Sarthe, GT40 on Nurburgring, Camaro LM on Seattle. Those are good times. It doesn't matter what the field is. It doesn't matter if I have competition or not. It doesn't matter if I'm racing equal or better competitors. MAYBE SOMETIMES I like the idea of having slower cars on the track that I have to drive around. Sometimes I'm driving against my own lap times. There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons for driving a vehicle that overpowers the AI vehicles and NONE OF THEM warrant your insults.
Posting things like "Easy win = no fun" is nothing more than a subtle insult along these same lines. People are not so stupid as you suppose. It is YOU that is being narrow-minded. We are quite well aware that a challenging race is usually more fun than an easy one. What you don't understand is that sometimes, some people are not driving for nothing other than winning the most difficult challenge we can possibly win, or prove to ourselves we can do it. I dont need to prove anything to myself or anyone else.
I realize this only comes with age... try to be patient.
Oh, and the last thing I have to say about it, Smallhorses you need better /rant skills. THIS is a rant. Study it, and keep in mind I spent 10 minutes removing text to shorten it up and tone it down.
[ / Rant Reply Mode OFF]
For everyone else, I sincerely apologize for exposing you to the previous 'unpleasantness'
Smallhorses
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[ /Rant Reply Mode]
I have an issue with this post, the poster, and everyone else that feels the need to post garbage like this. Since you find it necessary to openly insult respectable people who are simply trying to enjoy a game, here for your edification is an appropriate response:
I DON'T CARE HOW GODLY YOUR GT skills are. Your 200 point skills will never be as good or worthwhile as my skills in respecting other players who have earned my respect. Your skills will never be as rewarding as my ability to feel good about myself without telling everyone that I'm better than you.
I don't need to win 200 point races to feel good about myself. I don't need to win all gold licenses to feel good about myself. I don't need other posters to tell me I'm a godly driver, or if you can't do the same as I, then you are a loser, a 'wussie' or whatever.
If you have an ego problem, get a doctor. I did not come to GTPlanet to find someone to worship. So you can win 200 point ASpec races. Good for you. Tell us all about it in the appropriate thread. Something like "Who are the most godly drivers in GT4" thread, ok?
For your narrow-minded consideration, think about this... Gran Turismo is a DRIVING SIMULATOR. Got it? Probably not... DRIVING SIMULATOR. How about now? I know, it's hard for you to understand. Tell you what, I will type more slowly since you probably can't read very fast: Some people like to drive. DRIVE.. get it? Sometimes, some people enjoy just driving a nice car on a nice track. Just enjoyment. Drive for the sake of driving. An XJ220 or R8 on Sarthe, GT40 on Nurburgring, Camaro LM on Seattle. Those are good times. It doesn't matter what the field is. It doesn't matter if I have competition or not. It doesn't matter if I'm racing equal or better competitors. MAYBE SOMETIMES I like the idea of having slower cars on the track that I have to drive around. Sometimes I'm driving against my own lap times. There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons for driving a vehicle that overpowers the AI vehicles and NONE OF THEM warrant your insults.
Posting things like "Easy win = no fun" is nothing more than a subtle insult along these same lines. People are not so stupid as you suppose. It is YOU that is being narrow-minded. We are quite well aware that a challenging race is usually more fun than an easy one. What you don't understand is that sometimes, some people are not driving for nothing other than winning the most difficult challenge we can possibly win, or prove to ourselves we can do it. I dont need to prove anything to myself or anyone else.
I realize this only comes with age... try to be patient.
Oh, and the last thing I have to say about it, Smallhorses you need better /rant skills. THIS is a rant. Study it, and keep in mind I spent 10 minutes removing text to shorten it up and tone it down.
[ / Rant Reply Mode OFF]
For everyone else, I sincerely apologize for exposing you to the previous 'unpleasantness'
Sadly you've missed 2 key things here, and invoked several unrelated things.
I'd ask that you respect my intelligence before you launch into speculation about my ability to read, I can tell from your age, occupation and lists of interests that you're an educated man too, but I have a postgraduate degree in Analytical Chemistry, which is very difficult to achieve without basic reading skills.
Firstly you'll notice that along with RANT mode, I invoked SARCASM mode too.
The point of the post was not to belittle anyone, nor their DRIVING skills, but to express my disgust for the overkill of B-spec which in this case permits someone to progress through the game in triple quick time exploiting every possible means to win, without actually, as you say, "enjoying the drive". They get game completion in a DRIVING SIMULATOR without actually taking any of the time to do just that.
It seems from the initial part of your post that being as coffee and a long mp3 playlist were involved that you drove the series, and enjoyed it, regardless of the competition. You didn't use set-it-and-forget-it mode and go off to do some gardening while the PS2 played your game for you. If I interpreted this wrong, oh well.
But if it's true, you earn more respect than someone who does as I suggested and races a Toyota 7 Race Car with sports tyres against 100HP road cars in B-spec mode and claims a satisfying win. Secondly the rant wasn't directed at anyone other than PD, for their inclusion of B-spec and Photomode options in GT4 at the expense of Online racing, which is what many many people around here actually wanted. The ability to race your peers in closely matched racing, instead of being able to see a bunch of kids saying "Woohoo! I completed the game in 2 weeks in B-spec and now I can pwn you all with my Sauber C9 skillz" when they actually couldn't keep a clean lap together if they tried, well, I know which I'd have taken.
Lastly your RANT is directed in many ways to not actually replying to my RANT at all, but at lines I have included in my signature. They clearly don't impress you, but then you have similar lines in your own. If you have issues with parts of my signature address that with me by PM, not in an off topic post in a thread. 👍
I fail to see where anywhere in my post in this thread that I indicate that a) I am a GT4 God. b) anyone who cannot win a 200pt race is feeble.
Clearly I'm proud of the achievements I've made in GT4, I have run some good races, I have raced head-to-head with some of GT Planet's best racers.
It hasn't come easy, it's taken a lot of practice. Practice I wouldn't have got had I used B-spec mode to complete the game for me.
Already have!
You've seen the link in my signature that you're so fond of! 
Please, in future be sure to read and absorb what is being said, in what manner and to whom, before launching into a personal attack on another member. You're not dealing with a 13 year old here, admittedly I'm 15 years your junior, but seriously, at your age you should know better!
Who knows, maybe it was the NASCAR comments that set you off?
Anyway, I've got a plane to catch, so enough of that!
Now, back on topic,
the Toyota Celica 1600GT '70 is a excellent car for this event, guaranteed close exciting racing for one and all against the first lineup after reset. 👍 Kept in stock form, as it was bought used, no oil change, no modifications at all, and with S1 (SH) tyres fitted for durability it was worth 93 A-spec points per race. 👍
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Um . . . The AC 427 Cobra and Shelby's Cobra both have over 500 HP stock.
Don't get me wrong, they both are great cars. . . But total over kill for the 1000 mile race.
I have been thinking of re-running the series again and have been contimplating using a couple diffrent cars. It will be a mix of A and B-spec racing because I don't have a lot of time lately, and leaving the playstation on and running isn't always going to be an option.
In my first trial I used a white G4 tuned.
For my next run at it I have narrowed it down to the following cars.
(I just have to pick one and get started)
'69 Corvette (C3) (only a racing trans) - recently fallen in love with this one.
'65 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA (Stock)
'69 Camaro SS (stock, maybe racing trans) - I know, overkill, but its so fun to drive
'66 Honda S800 (? got to buy one again, accidently sold it off)
'68 Isuzu 117 Coupe (Fun little pocket rocket , stock)
'62 Lotus Elan S1 (stock)
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Amen!
The Ginetta is one of my favorite cars to use in this event... and of the classic cars in GT4, but only in A-spec as the B-spec driver can have trouble controlling it's touchy handling - although I have found that some set-ups do improve B-spec performance.
All excellent choices, although you'll need to do some serious modifying and tuning on the Honda S800 to make it competitive with most of the AI fields. Of all the cars you listed, the Isuzu 117 Coupe will give you the closest race for most AI fields. The Elan S1 and Giulia Sprint GTA are both really fun to drive, but not as challenging as say the '63 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale... which I'd recommend adding to your list for future consideration. 👍
Definitely the best if all you want is the easiest win.Sorry if it is mentioned above but the Cobra is definitely the best for this one. Definitely
Definitely the worst if you want a close race against any of the 22 possible AI cars, except for the AC 427 of course.
Here are the 'Top 10' cars to choose from if all you want is a relatively quick and easy win:
- 1966 AC 427 S/C
- 1962 Buick Special
- 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454
- 1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350
- 1970 Dodge Charger 440 R/T
- 1967 Mercury Cougar XR-7
- 1970 Plymouth Super Bird
- 1964 Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO
- 1967 Shelby Cobra 427
- 1965 Shelby Mustang G.T. 350R
However, if you read through this and other threads on this event you'll find many are looking for a close race.
The trick to having a really fun close competitive race against the AI and not just yourself, is to select a car and mods so as not to have a power to weight ratio less than 1:3, less than 200hp, and keep resetting the AI field until it doesn't include a '66 AC 427, '63 Corvette, or '61 Jaguar E-Type. At least that has worked out really well for me.
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