Anyone like conspiracy theories?

[Hyst]

I remember reading that story a few years back, it fascinates me. I love reading stuff like this, any ideas where I can find some more mysteries of a similar style?

I thought this too, I'd love to see a movie based upon this event.

I'm still looking for a few like it myself, very strange.

wow

sounds like the making of a good thriller movie.

A documentary would be nice .

That story has been puzzling me for years.

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I'd never heard of the Dyatlov Pass Incident. Weird indeed!

I first heard of it a year ago, and I have absolutely no idea what happened. Not a clue.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Wow, that's creepy beyond all creepiness. Sounds like it could form the basis of one hell of a good story. I can already think of some of the basics to work into it. I find it interesting that Kholat Syakhl is Mansi for "Mountain of the Dead" when the name of another mountain nearby, Mount Yamantaw is Bashkir for "Evil Mountain". I wonder just how close Yamantaw's twin, Kosvinsky, is to Kholat Syakhl ...

 

[nk4e]

I wouldn't know if this was consider as a Conspiracy Theories
but
Aokigahara

 

[Pupik]

The shame of conspiracy theories and those who persist in believing them even when they have been totally discredited is that they detract from genuine mysteries and the very real, honest scientific endeavor to learn about the unknown, and to understand/accept reality. Sadly, for some people, fiction will always be more exciting that fact...

So one of those Egg Council creeps got to you too, huh?

 

[Alex.]

I think that the best part of it is when you have the theory and you go searching for facts, and others opinion about those facts.

I love conspiracy theories, but I love even more to search more about them and the actual facts. It is something incredible 👍

Agree.

I'm not an unintelligent person, but I like conspiracy theories. I'm not stubborn in other people's idea either, and if TM suggested a possible explaination for a theory I would take it into account because he is an intelligent guy and I respect his opinion.


As I said, Conspiracy theories show it's possible to think differently, I try not to be arrogant about it, and I try to keep my conspiracy theories realistic and as above, I'm open to other's ideas.

 

[homeforsummer]

So one of those Egg Council creeps got to you too, huh?

You'd better run, egg!

 

[Alex p.]

Alot of people who buy into conspiracy theories have a tremendous lack of discriminatory power - they seem to accept that absolutely everything and anything is possible, that everything that happens has an unseen purpose or is being 'controlled' by an invisible hand, and that merely being able to imagine a scenario (whether even remotely possible or not) is enough to make that possibility as valid as any other. I find alot of it tiresome and frustrating - not just because I find certain specific conspiracy theories particularly offensive (9/11 "truthers", creationists), but mainly because I think it is a counterproductive and even dangerous way of thinking that ultimately leads to nowhere but confusion and unnecessary conflict.

The main objection I have with conspiracy theorists and contrarians in general is that it is almost impossible to argue with them - it takes no discipline or effort to be one, they do not burden themselves with the responsibilities of truthfulness or integrity, they require no evidence, they are intellectually lazy, they are often purposefully dishonest or deliberately obtuse, and seem to need nothing more than the conviction of their own correctness or reinforcement from others who happen to agree with them to justify their behaviour. Most frustrating of all, though, is that serious conspiracy theorists, like David Icke for example, are not 'stupid' or unable to reason - on the contrary, they are very capable of using powerful persuasive techniques, but choose to use the sum of their powers of reasoning and perception on what amounts to nothing more than mental masturbation.

The shame of conspiracy theories and those who persist in believing them even when they have been totally discredited is that they detract from genuine mysteries and the very real, honest scientific endeavor to learn about the unknown, and to understand/accept reality. Sadly, for some people, fiction will always be more exciting that fact...

Ok, wow, how to start, first of all i would like to scream you all my anger in your face, ( i know sounds relly harsh but please give me a chance and read further lol) but that is not possible for some specific reasons. But yeah ok, for me you belong to the worst people. Believing any **** your so called government a.k.a. the media is telling you. Idiot (jep I'm pissed sorry). Your just scared, lacking confindence and strength to be honest to at least yourself. The fact that you say that 9/11 was NOT an inside job just shows that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA OF THAT MATTER, and still you write such ******** in here, yeah it's offensive to think it was an inside job, sure , and acting as a wannabe scientist. Government was always AGAINST the people, do you really think the people in power want a concious, informed, powerfull society? common you're dreaming. And by the way with government i do not mean the so called "most powerfull man on earth" a.k.a the president of the united states. He's a joke compared to the people being really in power, i mean all the secret societys, Kennedy was no member of them, informed the peole about them, got shot. He and Lincoln were the only presidents not being in these satanic perverted freak groups and they were both shot, coincedence? (Groups: Bilderberger; Rothschild, Skull and Bones (George W. Bush is a member of them-he admitted it in an interview,look it up, has secrecy sth. to do with democracy?- i don't think so), Opus Dei (the Vatikan), Rockefeller (Bankers) .
Btw, did you know that (just ONE example of your "carring" government) during world war 2. America sponsored the rise of the "third reich"? Did you know that also during that time the russian gov. dressed up their soldiers as nazis to kill their own peole (multiple villages were burned down, people being killed), only so that the hate against the nazi regime would grow in their own county?
So there you have it, if you are intelligent you will research the matters i spoke about, if not, you will confirm my assumption that YOU are weak and in denial (you said conspiracy theorists were lazy, proof at least to yourself you are not and look these topics up i spoke about). The gov. a.k.a. the secret groups never gave a **** about you or your family and never will be. They know that if people will find out, they will not survive the consequences. I would like to end my little speach with two quotes ( unfortunately forgot from who they are)
1. It is no sign of health to be adapted to a sick and perverted society.
2. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Ehrm, I need help reading that.

Maybe I need glasses.

 

[Der Alta]

The fact that you say that 9/11 was an inside job just shows that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA OF THAT MATTER, and still you write such ******** in here, yeah it's offensive to think it was an inside job, sure , and acting as a wannabe scientist.

I'm going to delete one word and maybe you'll see a glimmer of there being other sides of the coin.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Agree.

I'm not an unintelligent person, but I like conspiracy theories. I'm not stubborn in other people's idea either, and if TM suggested a possible explaination for a theory I would take it into account because he is an intelligent guy and I respect his opinion.


As I said, Conspiracy theories show it's possible to think differently, I try not to be arrogant about it, and I try to keep my conspiracy theories realistic and as above, I'm open to other's ideas.

I generally like conspiracy thoeries because I fancy myself as a writer, and when I write, I tend to write in the genre of conspiracy thrillers. I have a fully-formed idea in my head for what could be one hell of a story, drawing on the conspiracy lore of the Gemstone Files, UVB-76 ("The Buzzer"), HAARP, Lost Comonauts, chemtrails, Mount Yamataw and now the Dyaltov Pass Incident, plus a few of my own like an abandoned CIA operation, an attempted coup d'etat in Russia and so on.

 

[Alex p.]

I'm going to delete one word and maybe you'll see a glimmer of there being other sides of the coin.

Didn't get what you mean lol, sorry, am not native speaker, but if you mean the ****-word, then ,well go for it.👍

 

[Alex p.]

I generally like conspiracy thoeries because I fancy myself as a writer, and when I write, I tend to write in the genre of conspiracy thrillers. I have a fully-formed idea in my head for what could be one hell of a story, drawing on the conspiracy lore of the Gemstone Files, UVB-76 ("The Buzzer"), HAARP, Lost Comonauts, chemtrails, Mount Yamataw and now the Dyaltov Pass Incident, plus a few of my own like an abandoned CIA operation, an attempted coup d'etat in Russia and so on.

Wow cool there mate (btw. am from germany but speak russian too-priwjet bratan lol). Guess will look some things up you mentioned there 👍 up for that. If you're interested and have the time i would suggest you to look RFID-chips, Los Alomos (Dulce facility) and agreement between America and the Greys up. Have fun .
Doswjedanje.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Spaseebo balshoye!

I hope I got that right. My best friend is Russian - she's actually Moldovan, but introduces herself as Russian because only a handful of people even believe Moldova is a real country - and I've gleaned a little bit from her; mostly the usual hello, good-bye, thank you and so on.

Anyway, I'm getting off-topic ere. I'll look up those things you suggested, if only because they might be interesting.

 

[Touring Mars]

The fact that you say that 9/11 was NOT an inside job just shows that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA OF THAT MATTER, and still you write such ******** in here, yeah it's offensive to think it was an inside job, sure

On the contrary, I have a pretty solid understanding of who was responsible for 9/11, what the rationale was behind the attacks, what the attacks on 9/11 mean in the broader context, and all of my views are based on real evidence. You, on the other hand, who knows absolutely nothing about me, my background, or my interest/research into the subject, seem pretty convinced that I am wrong simply because I don't buy into baloney claims made with zero evidential support, invented by any crackpot with an imagination.

Government was always AGAINST the people, do you really think the people in power want a concious, informed, powerfull society? common you're dreaming.

Doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me either way - the fact that I choose not to believe that my life is being controlled or manipulated by "evil" powers beyond my knowledge or perception is my choice. I see absolutely no evidence that this is the case anyway, but even if it was, what difference does it make? Yours is the ultimate straw-man argument... aside from which, between myself, my friends, my family, my workmates and my professional contacts, I know plenty of people who directly contradict your argument that some unseen powerbrokers are "keeping us dumb". Perhaps I am priviliged, perhaps I am just lucky - but either way, your perception of society is clearly pretty different from mine.

Kennedy was no member of them, informed the peole about them, got shot. He and Lincoln were the only presidents not being in these satanic perverted freak groups and they were both shot, coincedence?

So, James A. Garfield, William McKinley, Ronald Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt - US presidents who have all been shot, two of whom died as a result - were all members of satanic cabals (but were shot anyway...)? That makes sense... What about the other 85 known assassination attempts on US presidents? Of course, if these cabals are so secret, then what makes you so sure of who was a member of one and who wasn't? You say Kennedy wasn't a member of such a cabal - how do you know? You say non-membership of a cabal was the reason he was shot - again, how do you know that? I am just as correct to assert that the Secret Covenant of The Turquoise Pantaloons had Kennedy shot for daring to wear white pantaloons on his trip to Dallas in 1963. Also, if these secret societies are so secret, then how come any Tom, Dick or Harry on the internet seems to know so much about them - who isn't a member, what they do, why they do it etc.? By all means, show me your evidence - but remember, factually incorrect and/or logically spurious comments don't count as 'evidence'.

did you know that (just ONE example of your "carring" government) during world war 2. America sponsored the rise of the "third reich"?

Evidence? Sources? Without them, your allegation means nothing - it's known in soccer parlance as a fresh air shot. Even if this simple piece of pseudohistory/revisionism were even remotely true (according to some mangled logic or other), it still ought to be considered in the broader context - but you conveniently neglect to mention the small facts that America also spearheaded the allied campaign to drive the Third Reich out of mainland Europe, and provided sanctuary/asylum to those being persecuted by the Nazis.

So there you have it, if you are intelligent you will research the matters i spoke about, if not, you will confirm my assumption that YOU are weak and in denial (you said conspiracy theorists were lazy, proof at least to yourself you are not and look these topics up i spoke about).

Your assumption is that I haven't already done plenty of research into these conspiracy theories - but I have, and the conclusions I have come to are that the vast majority of them are a complete waste of time. Theories are built on facts, not speculations. Most conspiracy theories are, in fact, not theories at all, but are mere hypotheses - most are discredited by the presence of simple facts, and some are simply untestable. As a result, they do not merit the same level of time and effort as real scientific study...

and acting as a wannabe scientist.

...yeh, I am a wannabe scientist - which might explain why I actually am one.

 

[Alex p.]

On the contrary, I have a pretty solid understanding of who was responsible for 9/11, what the rationale was behind the attacks, what the attacks on 9/11 mean in the broader context, and all of my views are based on real evidence. You, on the other hand, who knows absolutely nothing about me, my background, or my interest/research into the subject, seem pretty convinced that I am wrong simply because I don't buy into baloney claims made with zero evidential support, invented by any crackpot with an imagination.


Doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me either way - the fact that I choose not to believe that my life is being controlled or manipulated by "evil" powers beyond my knowledge or perception is my choice. I see absolutely no evidence that this is the case anyway, but even if it was, what difference does it make? Yours is the ultimate straw-man argument... aside from which, between myself, my friends, my family, my workmates and my professional contacts, I know plenty of people who directly contradict your argument that some unseen powerbrokers are "keeping us dumb". Perhaps I am priviliged, perhaps I am just lucky - but either way, your perception of society is clearly pretty different from mine.


So, Abraham Lincoln, James A. Garfield, William McKinley, Ronald Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt - US presidents who have all been shot, three of whom died as a result - were all members of satanic cabals (but were shot anyway...)? That makes sense... What about the other 85 known assassination attempts on US presidents? Of course, if these cabals are so secret, then what makes you so sure of who was a member of one and who wasn't? You say Kennedy wasn't a member of such a cabal - how do you know? You say non-membership of a cabal was the reason he was shot - again, how do you know that? I am just as correct to assert that the Secret Covenant of The Turquoise Pantaloons had Kennedy shot for daring to wear white pantaloons on his trip to Dallas in 1963. Also, if these secret societies are so secret, then how come any Tom, Dick or Harry on the internet seems to know so much about them - who isn't a member, what they do, why they do it etc.? By all means, show me your evidence - but remember, factually incorrect and/or logically spurious comments don't count as 'evidence'.


Evidence? Sources? Without them, your allegation means nothing - it's known in soccer parlance as a fresh air shot. Even if this simple piece of pseudohistory/revisionism were even remotely true (according to some mangled logic or other), it still ought to be considered in the broader context - but you conveniently neglect to mention the small facts that America also spearheaded the allied campaign to drive the Third Reich out of mainland Europe, and provided sanctuary/asylum to those being persecuted by the Nazis.


Your assumption is that I haven't already done plenty of research into these conspiracy theories - but I have, and the conclusions I have come to are that the vast majority of them are a complete waste of time. Theories are built on facts, not speculations. Most conspiracy theories are, in fact, not theories at all, but are mere hypotheses - most are discredited by the presence of simple facts, and some are simply untestable. As a result, they do not merit the same level of time and effort as real scientific study...


...yeh, I am a wannabe scientist - which might explain why I actually am one.

I respect your opinion and I apologize for my "tempered" behaviour, seriously, it was immature-"unintelligent".
Still, i have the impression you did not research enough in some topics, but hey, maybe YOU are right, who knows. But what I really can not understand is that you are claiming some of my claimings are not proven by me (no sources etc.), I am honest here and say I was too lazy to search for them at the moment (it was about 3 am in the morning) , but at the same time I asked you to be different to conpiracist, means not lazy, and to research for them by yourself and if you even google it, or search for it on youtube, you will find a lot of information, at least I find it.

Again, sorry.

 

[TB]

I asked you to be different to conpiracist, means not lazy, and to research for them by yourself and if you even google it, or search for it on youtube, you will find a lot of information, at least I find it.

In a debate, it's your job, not theirs, to link, post and/or quote items in your defense. Otherwise it's just opinions, even if you say they are based on facts, and opinions are not debatable.

 

[Duke]

I asked you to be different to conpiracist, means not lazy, and to research for them by yourself and if you even google it, or search for it on youtube, you will find a lot of information, at least I find it.

You'll find metric tons of information about conspiracy theories on the internet. What you will NOT find is much in the way of supporting facts.

 

[Sureboss]

...yeh, I am a wannabe scientist - which might explain why I actually am one.

You didn't have much choice though, did you Brian?

 

[Mark T]

You'll find metric tons of information about conspiracy theories on the internet. What you will NOT find is much in the way of supporting facts.

That's because the governmentz remooved them from the intranet. Obfiously.

 

[Joey D]

Actually some information about various conspiracy theories has been censored by the government. There are quite a documents released by the government with huge portions of it blacked out so you can't read it. It's that censoring that contributes to theories because obviously the government doesn't want you to know about it and that makes people suspicious.

 

[Alex.]

Jeez I thought all those quoted posts from Alex p. were from me at first

 

[arora]

this is interesting, some 'fake' Roswell papers...

http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/majestic12.htm

 

[ND4SPD]

UVB-76 is pretty cool. Would love to know what it really is.

I like this theory about it that I read online.

In the event of all out nuclear war, the russian military would need to quickly ascertain which bases were still active. So they all tune into this frequency. UVB-76 continually sends a signal which indicates "all is well". When nuclear war breaks out, it will stop. This triggers all the other facilities to start broadcasting if they have survived. Each facility will have a specified time interval for its broadcast so they don't step on each others transmissions. The few times a voice went over the air and listed some names, may have been to bring additional facilities online.

Using this would quickly give military leaders vital information about the surviving facilities.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Another theory suggests UVB-76 is a major part of the Soviet nuclear startegy known as "Dead Hand" (or, more accurately, "Hand from Coffin"). In the event of a decapitationary nuclear strike - one intended to annihilate Moscow and the Soviet leadership - UVB-76, acting as a pulse (its buzzing is a lot like a heartbeat) of Moscow, would send out a final message to all nuclear installations across the Soviet Union instructing them to fire. Essentially, the head may have been cut off, but UVB-76 ensure that the body's final act will be to return the favour. The problem is that with the Soviet leadership dead and disarray among the ranks, Russia wouldhave no way of determining where the missile(s) came from and so would be forced to fire its own at everything.

 

[Joey D]

The dead man's switch seems like it would be plausible, either that or it's just a group of rather cheeky people out to mind---- the world. Both make sense to me as the sending messages to spies and whatnot seems a bit pointless in this day and age when we have encoded messaging devices. I know that a radio station seems kind of odd to have as a dead man switch but it would be an instantaneous way to alert all the military installations at the same time of an attack.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Actually, numbers stations have been used since World War I and have consistently proven to be pretty effective, because the only way you can decipher what is going on is to have what is called a one-way pad, which is a single-use pad with the cipher on it that is destroyed once the message has been received. There's a numbers station in Guam called "Cherry Ripe" and another in Cyprus known as "The Lincoln Shire Poacher" (both are named for the few bars of the folks songs they use as an interval signal) that are believed to belong to British intelligence.

There's another mysterious one in New Mexico called Yosemite Sam because it broadcasts a line from the 1949 cartoon "Bunker Hill Bunny". No-one has any idea who sends it, why they're sending it in the first palce or where it's going. While UVB-76 makes sense as a fail-deadly, Yosemite Sam only broadcasts one line from the cartoon ...

 

[Joey D]

Hmm I've been reading up on number stations since I last posted and they are pretty interesting. I can see how they could work to send transmissions, but I also can see them just being mind----'s with the world. I'm finding this stuff pretty interesting though, I think I'm going to research it further.

 

[ND4SPD]

The thing about UVB-76 being a dead man's switch is interesting as apparently you can hear background voices talking in the background making it seem like there are people at the location.

Here's another interesting one that I quite like.
The Bloop! Would love to someday find out what animal made such sound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloop

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Then here's another one for you: Slow Down

 

[Leonidae]

this is one of my favourites..: Aurora.