are Gt4 physics being redone?

[Scaff]

Understandable, but those deflections should be rather small, shouldn't they? I'm mainly thinking of a video Mr Deap posted a few months ago with a fully-tuned 300C on Seattle. The severe jiggly motions that car was making looked very wrong, and if a real car was doing the same thing, you'd know that something was broken.

Granted, if you gave a real-world 300C tons of horsepower and tires made out of god (like the way-too-grippy R5's I'm sure Mr Deap used), the sheer weight of the car counteracting against the grip of the tires probably would break something.

I would not disagree that visually GT4 is far from perfect in these areas (then again I would say that most racing/driving games have similar visual issues - Enthusia is one of the better ones - but then it has smooth track surfaces making life a bit easier), its why I have always maintained that tuning in GT4 can't be done using visual only feedback.

In the real world while these deflection are small and visually difficult to notice, they certainly can be felt in a car and do have an effect on handleing, I simply raised the point as it appeared as if you were saying that they could only occur if a suspension component was broken or damaged.

Already had those things covered, my good friend. I said "RWD cars can and will" drift stock," not "all RWD cars," and added, "often without adding anything," but not always.

I then stated that Enthusia's tendency towards oversteer was debatable, but that I considered GT4's flaws to be much more severe.

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I know, it was as more a post aimed at all members that a specific point for yourself.


Regards

Scaff

 

[road kill]

Skating on ice? Really? Because from all of the times that I've lost grip in a real car, I can tell you that, if anything, Enthusia gives you too much tire grip. Live for Speed is closer to reality on that.

It's also funny that you should mention "without any tuning at all" -- that says to me that you probably buy into GT4's "cars need to be meticulously tuned to drift" theory, which, if I may be blunt, is a load of bull. RWD cars can and will drift stock, often without having to add anything.

Now, whether or not Enthusia drifts too much is debatable. I will not deny that it's not true-to-life, but to say that Enthusia's oversteer is much more exaggerated than GT4's lack of oversteer is wrong, in my opinion.

To summarize, it's true that Enthusia needs to throw more understeer into the mix, but it's still closer to reality than GT4 could ever hope to be.

actually no im not saying that cars need to be tuned up to the max with like 400hp to drift in gt4 because thats entirley not true.

i can grab almost any Fr in Gt4 remove the driving aids and drift it on s3's

i used to do stock drifting all the time so if your thinking you need a super tuned car in gt4 to drift your highly mistaken.(i mean i could drift a capp with stock suspension and nothing but power mods..)

so i for one know that you dont need a tuned car to drift. but im just saying that while playing enthusia it almost seems like Fr cars cant
understeer because while using my example car the 180sx i never understeered even if I made some error in the turn the game seemed happy to let you easily slide through the turn.

so im just saying (like you said yourself earlier) enthusia's oversteer in game seems pretty unrealistic given the fact that it could drift stock the amount of oversteer and how easy to drift in enthusia is just

 

[Dave A]

I'm 100% with Scaff on the EPR and GT4 debate, I prefer EPR's physics, I find them more involving and it simulates lower speed grip far better I enjoy driving lower powered cars in EPR a lot more than in GT4. But I completely agree with Scaff that both EPR and GT4 are off the mark, just in different ways.