ARL Wednesday Nights - Gr4 Championship

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PApunk924
Congrats @Moby45 can't wait to see what car you pick for everyone to use next season.
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Thanks man. It was a lot of fun.

Question on the subject. This league is a fun league with the idea of allowing people to get used to having no driver aids like traction control and such of which to be able to move up and run the GT3 cars(Gr.3). So that being in mind, all GT3 cars are RWD only cars. Should we choose to run RWD only cars in this league so it translates over to the upper league better?

Reason I ask is because GT4(Gr.4) cars are more based off the road going versions so their drivetrains are what you would get on the road car. As in the Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi EVO and Nissan GTR all have AWD setups. Others have FWD.

So do we want to stick with the RWD layout?
 
Moby45
Thanks man. It was a lot of fun.

Question on the subject. This league is a fun league with the idea of allowing people to get used to having no driver aids like traction control and such of which to be able to move up and run the GT3 cars(Gr.3). So that being in mind, all GT3 cars are RWD only cars. Should we choose to run RWD only cars in this league so it translates over to the upper league better?

Reason I ask is because GT4(Gr.4) cars are more based off the road going versions so their drivetrains are what you would get on the road car. As in the Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi EVO and Nissan GTR all have AWD setups. Others have FWD.

So do we want to stick with the RWD layout?
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Wait... I thought GT3 Subies and Mitsu's were AWD?
 
GT_brickhole
Gr3 is all rwd even IRL gt3 cars must only be driven by the rear wheels
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Correct. All GT3 race cars are RWD only per their ruleset. GTSport did a good job of staying close to the real life rulesets of the real life GT3 and GT4 class racing. Even with their cars that do not have a real life counterpart in either class.

Which is what appeals most to me for GT4 racing in real life is that that cars are more closer to their road going counterparts.
 
You bring up a great point @Moby45. This series is/was designed as a stepping stone into the gr3 series.

Drivers are here to learn how to drive with no aids and to practice clean tight racing. Which i think the series does a very good job of.

With that being said i feel the series has started to come into its own. I believe that the champion should be able to choose any Gr4 car they like. If we only use rwd vehicles it really narrows the selection and we are trying not to have any repeats until we have to.
 
PApunk924
You bring up a great point @Moby45. This series is/was designed as a stepping stone into the gr3 series.

Drivers are here to learn how to drive with no aids and to practice clean tight racing. Which i think the series does a very good job of.

With that being said i feel the series has started to come into its own. I believe that the champion should be able to choose any Gr4 car they like. If we only use rwd vehicles it really narrows the selection and we are trying not to have any repeats until we have to.
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Just chiming in, because why not. There are actually 17 RWD Gr.4 cars to choose from. Only 10 of the Gr.4 cars are not RWD. In other words if you do limit the selection you still have 17 different options to choose from. Of which this series has only used 3.
 
Lets discuss this. Its a fair point that i never considered and honestly don't think there is a wrong answer.
 
I'm good with whatever. I've got a Lamborghini Hurican design I'm dying to run. But I'm also looking forward to making a new livery for another car. I've got an awesome Mustang ready that differs from my GT3 design as well.
 
TexasJDC
Lol oh come on you knew that without even looking at kudos!
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I mean I knew there were more RWD car than non RWD cars, but I didn't know the numbers.
 
PApunk924
Lets discuss this. Its a fair point that i never considered and honestly don't think there is a wrong answer.
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I agree that the series is really it's own. Even in real life GT4 is its own series containing pro and amature drivers alike. In some cases, like in IMSA the teams have to have 1 pro driver and 1 amature driver for the car they enter.

I present two options...

1. Continue with using the RWD cars until we exhaust all available choices then move to using the rest of the cars not used.

2. Go ahead and open it up to picking any drivetrain now seems as it will possibly be the case in the future and treat this series as it is now which is a fun, competitive and more new driver friendly stepping stone series which can hold its own if need be.


I don't think there is a wrong answer either. Honestly the reason I brought it up was because I have 2 cars I want to use because they both have liveries I want to drive with and I never use them on Sport Races for obvious reasons. One car is RWD and the other is AWD. Also, this series runs like BTCC in a way so I had a thought of picking a car that suited Touring Car racing. I just need to know where this series wants to go and I will happily make my choice on car afterwards.
 
here is a short clip of me introducing myself to the series manager... luckily i only caught this lap.... the next lap at the same turn he was ahead of me once again and i thought he might try to take my inside line and i ended up booting him straight off the track....


ive been wanting to call a race that i have recorded and feel that this series may allow me to finally get a good bit of footage to 'call' a race.... this was just what i cropped out of last nights racing over my lunch break... i will post up more as i finish more up...




i also have the stream of the race from my view on the same channel as that video if anyone wants to see how cool running in the back was!
 
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Moby45
I agree that the series is really it's own. Even in real life GT4 is its own series containing pro and amature drivers alike. In some cases, like in IMSA the teams have to have 1 pro driver and 1 amature driver for the car they enter.

I present two options...

1. Continue with using the RWD cars until we exhaust all available choices then move to using the rest of the cars not used.

2. Go ahead and open it up to picking any drivetrain now seems as it will possibly be the case in the future and treat this series as it is now which is a fun, competitive and more new driver friendly stepping stone series which can hold its own if need be.


I don't think there is a wrong answer either. Honestly the reason I brought it up was because I have 2 cars I want to use because they both have liveries I want to drive with and I never use them on Sport Races for obvious reasons. One car is RWD and the other is AWD. Also, this series runs like BTCC in a way so I had a thought of picking a car that suited Touring Car racing. I just need to know where this series wants to go and I will happily make my choice on car afterwards.
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i think if its gr4 it should be all gr4, being able to drive a FF or awd fast still helps you drive a rwd fast... and the bigger your tool chest the better.

that being said, i am happy just to follow the crowd.
 
GT_brickhole
i think if its gr4 it should be all gr4, being able to drive a FF or awd fast still helps you drive a rwd fast... and the bigger your tool chest the better.

that being said, i am happy just to follow the crowd.
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I agree, but I also like the Spec nature of this series also where we all run the same car for the 4 week season.


Also, being able to drive AWD fast doesn't help you drive RWD fast. Lol It's the other way around. AWD teaches you bad habits. That's why when telling people who want to start their journey into stage rally I tell them to start with a 2WD car first.
 
GT_brickhole
here is a short clip of me introducing myself to the series manager... luckily i only caught this lap.... the next lap at the same turn he was ahead of me once again and i thought he might try to take my inside line and i ended up booting him straight off the track....


ive been wanting to call a race that i have recorded and feel that this series may allow me to finally get a good bit of footage to 'call' a race.... this was just what i cropped out of last nights racing over my lunch break... i will post up more as i finish more up...




i also have the stream of the race from my view on the same channel as that video if anyone wants to see how cool running in the back was!
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That is a perfect example of what this series is all about.

3 months ago when this series started a bump like that would have put me out of the race completely.

Now i can recover without completely losing control and still compete.
 
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Moby45
I agree, but I also like the Spec nature of this series also where we all run the same car for the 4 week season.


Also, being able to drive AWD fast doesn't help you drive RWD fast. Lol It's the other way around. AWD teaches you bad habits. That's why when telling people who want to start their journey into stage rally I tell them to start with a 2WD car first.
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i like the one model aspect, i just dont think we should only do 'only' rwd every season is all.

i was a driving instructor for the Audi Driving Experience in my younger days and HATED how they talked about their awd systems... it seem criminally negligent to boast something that still has to compete with phsyics.... so when the"boss" wasnt listening i would say "awd definitley gives you the upper hand" instead of making it the superman system they were pushing. but weight transfer is weight transfer regardless of the driven wheels....
 
GT_brickhole
IMO an awd car is just a front wheel drive car you can get all 4 spinning on...:dopey::dopey::dopey:
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It is for the most part. One that gives you more traction to get out of corners lol.

What we teach in loose surfaces is that FWD will prepare you to drive your AWD car faster as a lot of the physics behind it are very similar. Learning to rally a RWD car will make you an all around better driver and how to modulate the throttle better, which will translate to AWD greatly as well. My wrx is mostly rear biased as far as awd goes but it feels like FWD during slow corners and such.

Which is why I also own a miata, haha. So that way I can be silly. And the Miata is very good at teaching consistency and momentum and how to keep it. Much like any low powered car.
 
Moby45
It is for the most part. One that gives you more traction to get out of corners lol.

What we teach in loose surfaces is that FWD will prepare you to drive your AWD car faster as a lot of the physics behind it are very similar. Learning to rally a RWD car will make you an all around better driver and how to modulate the throttle better, which will translate to AWD greatly as well. My wrx is mostly rear biased as far as awd goes but it feels like FWD during slow corners and such.

Which is why I also own a miata, haha. So that way I can be silly. And the Miata is very good at teaching consistency and momentum and how to keep it. Much like any low powered car.
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yeah, all my awd experience is on paved race tracks, i still had to use the scindi' flick(sp?) and lots of off throttle over steer with the awd setup on the audi's. the rs4 was the most fun out of all of them being the closest thing to a track car. then the TT cause it would rotate once you had enough weight on the front tires....(they let me drive an audi r8, just not on track.....cool car too though)

where you at moby? i would love to do a rally school... that would be about the only motorsports i havent done... uhhh ... on 4 wheels,
 
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