Artificially bloating the car list/The 200 new cars of GT6

[another_jakhole]

He claimed:



There is some truth to that statement. The example he gave, of the Mazda 1600 R-A vs the Mazda 1800 RS, is a valid example of such. The overwhelming majority of the time the statement is false, which is why people complain of the variants so much. Sticking strictly to the example he used, there are 34 Miatas in the game. 22 of those are duplicates, and even within the 12 that are distinct cars (specifically, the JDM Roadsters) there is some overlap because most of those are special color/option packages rather than distinctly performing models. The J-Limited, J-Limited II, VR-Limited and V-Special in real life were nothing more than limited run colors with some special interior options applied to otherwise standard Miatas; so out of 34 cars there are only 7 distinct ones (the original 1989 model, the 1995 S-Special, the 1997 SR-Limited, the 1998 1.8RS, the 2000 1800RS, the 2004 1600 NR-A and the 2007 NC), plus a variant of your choosing to represent a "base" model of the 1.8 NA.




And the Miatas aren't even the worst example of it.

First, 👍
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu_3-KbfcmU

But, I would have preferred examples of the others - RX-7's or GT-R's - especially since you pointed out that the Miata's aren't the worst of it.

 

[avens]

^The worst offender is most probably the S2000. At least 2/3 of the variants could be removed (AP1 years and regions) and no one would notice. The rest are distributed between tuner and imaginary versions, which are practically impossible to see in real life.

At the same time it's weird that there's so many AP1s, with exactly one AP2.

 

[tpark103]

I would be a bit disappointed if the list of 200 new cars included old cars that had been redone. At this point I've become accustomed to excepting whatever I receive from PD as they are a monopoly on PS3.

 

[PepeMickey]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if PD did all the duplicates (that already have premium versions) premium to boost the car roster. Instead of 2 premium miatas and 50 standard ones, you'll end up with 52 different premium versions of the same car.

 

[f40]

Show me in GT5 where they deliberately added cars twice to "pad" the car count.

Dodge Viper Team Oreca #51
Dodge Viper Team Oreca #91

Mazda Atenza Touring Car
Mazda 6 Touring Car

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Dodge Viper Team Oreca #51
Dodge Viper Team Oreca #91

Mazda Atenza Touring Car
Mazda 6 Touring Car

And don't forget the:

Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car
Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car

 

[NCRthree]

I'm against bloatation in general...cars, stomachs, anything.

 

[HuskyGT]

And don't forget the:

Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car
Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car

This is fun. Let's add more!

-Honda Civic SiR II (EG) '91
-Honda Civic SiR II (EG) '92
-Honda Civic SiR II (EG) '93
-Honda Civic SiR II (EG) '95
-Lexus SC430 (US) '01
-Lexus SC430 (EU) '01
-Renault Sport Renault Clio 2.0 16V '02
-Renault Sport Lutecia Clio 2.0 16V '02
-Renault Sport Renault Clio V6 24V '00
-Renault Sport Lutecia Clio V6 24V '00
-Renault Sport Renault Clio V6 24V Phase II '03
-Renault Sport Lutecia Clio V6 24V Phase II '03


All these are counted as individual cars when they are all the exact same car. The region doesn't matter as these are Standard cars and at least in my case I won't drive them with cockpit view. The different years in the Civics is also an invalid argument. There is no visual or performance difference on them, other than the paint options, BUT with the paint chip thing that's no justifiable excuse.

http://www.gran-turismo.com/local/jp/data1/products/gt5/carlist_en.html Proof that they are counted as individual cars.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Dodge Viper Team Oreca #51
Dodge Viper Team Oreca #91

Mazda Atenza Touring Car
Mazda 6 Touring Car

I don't believe the Vipers count. They were two separate cars in real life. have two SIMILAR liveries... but are different.

 

[Tornado]

Most of the Standard/Premium dupes (ignoring regional dupes) aren't actually counted in the car list separately, because they normally aren't accessible.

 

[finnracer]

Hopefully the new cars we get will mean we will get 900-1000 individual models (all bar regional dupes, stripe/no stripe, different racing numbers), which is still a phenomenal number!

 

[HuskyGT]

Most of the Standard/Premium dupes (ignoring regional dupes) aren't actually counted in the car list separately, because they normally aren't accessible.

You're right; I just realized that. The S/P are counted as one. But checking the official car list, there are a lot of cars that are basically the same and counted individually.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I just can't let this go (damn vanity). Pseudo mediator, my post added nothing, which is basically what you meant.

Well then, tell me, a dumb-dumb (me, not you ), why the cars aren't different or are too similar. Why didn't you explain further after R34EVO9 pointed out exactly what you said not to use as a reason why the similar Standard models (even some of the Premium models, I'm saying now) are pointless, for lack of a better word. Why do some of those Standard models that are of the same generation have no value when looking at it from your perspective? I know there are others that can explain what I'm asking you to, so I really don't see a problem in them helping us resolve this issue.

I'm not saying R34EVO9 is right or completely wrong. I can recall a very specific thread, which I won't look for, that covered a ton of the inefficiencies those Standard/Premium cars have. I didn't partake because of the lack of knowledge that I have on the subject of...cars from an expert's, or mechanical?, point-of-view. Calling me a "fake" mediator doesn't do the justice of discussing and clarifying what I've now tried to explain specifically enough. Now, don't go all rude on me. I just want the truth. I can handle it, I know I can, I think I can, I think I can, CHOO CHOO motha:censored:

There is some truth to that statement. The example he gave, of the Mazda 1600 R-A vs the Mazda 1800 RS, is a valid example of such. The overwhelming majority of the time the statement is false, which is why people complain of the variants so much. Sticking strictly to the example he used, there are 34 Miatas in the game. 22 of those are duplicates, and even within the 12 that are distinct cars (specifically, the JDM Roadsters) there is some overlap because most of those are special color/option packages rather than distinctly performing models. The J-Limited, J-Limited II, VR-Limited and V-Special in real life were nothing more than limited run colors with some special interior options applied to otherwise standard Miatas; so out of 34 cars there are only 7 distinct ones (the original 1989 model, the 1995 S-Special, the 1997 SR-Limited, the 1998 1.8RS, the 2000 1800RS, the 2004 1600 NR-A and the 2007 NC), plus a variant of your choosing to represent a "base" model of the 1.8 NA.




And the Miatas aren't even the worst example of it.

Sorry was busy these past days, but it seems some spelled it out for you.

Wow and yeah I'd consider myself smart since you just did what I described. Comparing a R32 v R34 is alright and akin to comparing a 1.8 L Miata vs 1.6 L Miata. Do you know why? Cause they are different cars

Maybe you should read a post, digest it, and then carefully walk the fine line of whether to comment due to actually understanding what has been said. I'll leave it there because I really don't want to come off rude or more rude if already so.

More importantly when we "complain", we are doing so about the numerous models that are exactly the same. You wouldn't say the MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91, MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91, Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91, Eunos Roadster S-Special I (NA) '91 are all different cars would you? And if so can you tell us why they are different?

Also how can you say I didn't explain it further after? It's in bold, also I'm not asking an actual question since it is spelled out for him, thus being rhetorical.

 

[another_jakhole]

Also how can you say I didn't explain it further after? It's in bold, also I'm not asking an actual question since it is spelled out for him, thus being rhetorical.

You didn't explain why they are the same or different from one another.

...And if so can you tell us why they are different?

That's all you said. Tornado was the one to explain it, but even then like I said earlier, I would have preferred examples using GT-R's or RX-7's. First, I was and still am curious about the faults some of those duplicates have - Standard or Premium. Second, it looks like you haven't noticed that I'm not questioning the bloating of GT5's car list. I've only been caring to find out what the faults of the duplicate cars are from a mechanical standpoint (since I know there are many problems and with some of the Premiums.) My inquiry wasn't about GT5's duplicate cars' bloating of the car count. I'm still amazed that you're sticking with what you think this is about.

So let's put it this way. Tornado explained what you didn't care to. From what he explained that you didn't care to, I didn't totally get what I was looking for, but I just let it be. I'll leave THIS at this: the Saleen S7 has a strange and foolish fault with its weight balance (or maybe it's just a "typo" with the numbers and doesn't have any effect on how the car handles.) Either way, pointing out flaws similar to that one with the Standard cars, duplicates or not, and PREMIUM'S was what I was looking for.