Well the key is to move the braking point waaaaay back from what you are used to, and then they are fun as hell. You would think that breaking so early would influence the lap times, but if you go into the corner too fast, wrestling with the car because of low grip an weight will make you miss the appex almost every time, and that makes lap times much worse and the drive frustrating. And of course you have to "massage" the throttle through gears 1 and 2. But as said, extremely fun cars to drive these. And the Challenger is BOPed perfectly to VRC cars, so thats an additional bonus.