Assetto Corsa PC Mods General DiscussionPC

[marsanglier]

(..) if you are creating a mod for a track or car, please only include the files that are directly relevant to the mod itself. Obviously, I'm wise to this now - but clicking in and looking at your folder, if I were to update my Brno using your file, I'd lose KevinK2's custom AI and my own tailored ui_track.json for absolutely no reason at all.

There is no reason a texture update should change anything about the UI, AI or anything of that nature whatsoever. I'm sorry.

I am appreciative of your texture updates, but the way you go about them is strange and counterintuitive. On Breathe's list, there are countless updates to the right of track descriptions that can be wiped if not careful - and in this example, a clean-sweep of all the files for this one update would do just that, unjustifiably.
(..)

(..)

• Start line position corrected; start lights/clock/lap counter/session timer added; new billboard models added; new sponsors added; animated jumbotrons added.
• Camera-facing spectators and animated flag-waving spectators added.
• Marshals, TV vans, recovery trucks, camera cranes and cameramen added.
• Crowd and pitlane audio added.
• Physical road mesh and groove added; sausage kerbs and green runoffs added.
• Redundant treewalls removed; floating trees fixed; new trees planted.
• CSP animated flags added to pit buildings and grandstands.
• Animated helicopters, blimp, hot-air balloons, and distant airliners added.
• Night lighting and basic RainFX added.
• New AI line created; sections added; loading logo added.

(..)

I hope I'm not offending anyone when I raise this point, but for the same reasons X90 mentioned shouldn't most of these additions be a separate add-on as well?

Not meant as a dig at you. But does it need to be an 'official' update, including upping the version number, every time?
It can get a bit tiresome to see there's a new update, to then find there's only more of the same added.

Can't you create an add-on with all your additions, just like you expect ClimaxF1 to do? Seems to me a fair playing ground.
That way the end-user can decide for themselves if they want these additions or not.

 

[ImNotVettel]

Erm, people here DID point out that what he was doing was wrong but he refused to do anything about it until RD took the full track down.
And losing modders? The main reason modders seem to quit is because of their work being taken, edited and reuploaded elsewhere, which is all that we were fighting against here with Brno.

Yes,
but you used his textures and didn't give him any credit
as he wrote and as I saw
so you did the same thing that you accuse him of
and that frustrates good modders
I have said my opinion and now I don't want to discuss it anymore
Peace

 

[RicME85]

I hope I'm not offending anyone when I raise this point, but for the same reasons X90 mentioned shouldn't most of these additions be a separate add-on as well?

Not meant as a dig at you. But does it need to be an 'official' update, including upping the version number, every time?
It can get a bit tiresome to see there's a new update, to then find there's only more of the same added.

Can't you create an add-on with all your additions, just like you expect ClimaxF1 to do? Seems to me a fair playing ground.
That way the end-user can decide for themselves if they want these additions or not.

Not the same thing though.
When the creators of a track update various things you expect changes with an update, when you download a texture pack or skin your don't expect changes to 3d models etc, just textures.

 

[X90]

Kicked the hornet's nest here a bit. I'm not surprised there is more behind the scenes. So that solves the mystery of the bizarro updates.

I'll say this - the reality of the situation is, the work of the original authors needs to be respected - right down to the finest detail. If those intending to mod a track aren't interested in putting petty BS between them and the authors aside, then there are countless other tracks to work on made by other modders.

The uploading of the entire track, which strangely now seems intentional (and almost earned an RD ban) is inexcusable and potentially puts RT in the crosshairs again for using the road mesh from a 17 year old game (the horror!). Not worth the scrutiny for what seems like self-induced teenage drama.

 

[ClimaxF1]

Erm, people here DID point out that what he was doing was wrong but he refused to do anything about it until RD took the full track down.
And losing modders? The main reason modders seem to quit is because of their work being taken, edited and reuploaded elsewhere, which is all that we were fighting against here with Brno.

So don't you have my work included in your track, it works both ways.

It was you that tried to take my upload down and spread misinformation, this why I was given a opportunity to defend myself and everything was reversed.

I meant no harm with my previous upload as I didn't think it was a problem, I guess I made a mistake which did apologize for and corrected it.

Can we not move on from this and rather look at this track as one of the prettiest tracks AC has to offer.

Nothing has changed, have corrected my upload and all credits are there to the entire team.

Everyone's contribution should rather be celebrated than tarnished.

 

[pugsang]

Can't you create an add-on with all your additions, just like you expect ClimaxF1 to do? Seems to me a fair playing ground.
That way the end-user can decide for themselves if they want these additions or not.

I just wish you knew how much time the 3d remodeling took, how many hours some people spent from their personal time to fix or improve things. Then you could decide if all these could be exported and released as an addon.

 

[X90]

I hope I'm not offending anyone when I raise this point, but for the same reasons X90 mentioned shouldn't most of these additions be a separate add-on as well?

Not meant as a dig at you. But does it need to be an 'official' update, including upping the version number, every time?
It can get a bit tiresome to see there's a new update, to then find there's only more of the same added.

Can't you create an add-on with all your additions, just like you expect ClimaxF1 to do? Seems to me a fair playing ground.
That way the end-user can decide for themselves if they want these additions or not.

These are official track updates from the team themselves. Big difference. Yes, some version updates are minor - but it's theirs all the same.

Far different than someone outside the team making an external change.

The argument could be made that updates could be more spread out/reduced in number - that's valid, no one likes reinstalling or getting bogged in version messiness - but I think the cadence of updates for Brno was just fine.

 

[StoffelWaffle]

As long as we don't lose RT's will to do more tracks... That'd be devastating.

 

[Masscot]

Yes,
but you used his textures and didn't give him any credit
as he wrote and as I saw
so you did the same thing that you accuse him of
and that frustrates good modders
I have said my opinion and now I don't want to discuss it anymore
Peace

But he WAS credited. In fact, he was the ONLY contributor who was specifically named in the changelog. I've already stated this. All of the active team members were listed separately in the 'author' section, where their names are actually less visible.

 

[ClimaxF1]

I just wish you knew how much time the 3d remodeling took, how many hours some people spent from their personal time to fix or improve things. Then you could decide if all these could be exported and released as an addon.

There's not much difference in the time consumed and hours spent.

Everyone has different skill sets and all these take hours, days and lots of testing.

Combined you get the best possible result.

Creating new textures or updating them and setting lighting can take days and many hours.

I would love to know how many hours have gone into this track combined because it's one of the prettiest tracks available.

 

[Vintagedriver]

Its all become a bit hilarious here, Reboot team is complaining about @ClimaxF1 mod, while @Johnr777 is complaining about Reboot team ripping activities at Overtake and Discord.
Guys, please work together, no need for a fight, this can be solved.

 

[ClimaxF1]

But he WAS credited. In fact, he was the ONLY contributor who was specifically named in the changelog. I've already stated this. All of the active team members were listed separately in the 'author' section, where their names are actually less visible.

This was never my issue, in one of your previous uploads everyone was mentioned except me. I'm not talking about the author section in the ui folder which nobody looks at.

Your upload had no mention of me yet you used all my textures, vegetation, new tree's and day night lighting.

Can we not move on and just appreciate what everyone has done for this track.

I will delete my upload if we can find a way to combine everything and make my upload as a banner update.

This way there will be no confusion and the community will have the best possible track.

 

[Masscot]

I hope I'm not offending anyone when I raise this point, but for the same reasons X90 mentioned shouldn't most of these additions be a separate add-on as well?

Not meant as a dig at you. But does it need to be an 'official' update, including upping the version number, every time?
It can get a bit tiresome to see there's a new update, to then find there's only more of the same added.

Can't you create an add-on with all your additions, just like you expect ClimaxF1 to do? Seems to me a fair playing ground.
That way the end-user can decide for themselves if they want these additions or not.

I'm sorry if you find the updates tiresome, there probably won't be any more unless a significant issue is identified. There's really not much left from the original track folder, even the main kn5 is completely different now, not to mention all the new trees, TSOs, spectators, flying stuff, 3D environment etc etc so just creating an add-on wasn't really the way to go. It wouldn't really have been practical. Our original v2 had a unique folder name to preserve the original track anyway, so anyone can still use that one as well if they want.

 

[ClimaxF1]

Its all become a bit hilarious here, Reboot team is complaining about @ClimaxF1 mod, while @Johnr777 is complaining about Reboot team ripping activities at Overtake and Discord.
Guys, please work together, no need for a fight, this can be solved.

Why is reboot team complaining about me, my work is only texture updates and settings.

Is Reboot team not ripping everything from other games

 

[marsanglier]

I just wish you knew how much time the 3d remodeling took, how many hours some people spent from their personal time to fix or improve things. Then you could decide if all these could be exported and released as an addon.

So it seems I did offend.. and I apologise for that, Pugsang.

I absolutely appreciate that there's a lot of work done on Brno.

The point I tried -and as it seems failed- to make is that if the texture updates by ClimaxF1 should be released as a separate add-on, why the modifications that Mascot does to a lot of tracks (balloons, blimps, helicopters, flags, ambulance lights and such) are part of an official update. I guess it is because he is part of the team, but the argument is that these things could be seen as add-ons that are not relevant to the track itself. It is icing on the cake. My suggestion is to let the end-user decide if they want icing or not.

I admire the hours that people put in to make & update awesome mods like Brno, that -with and without ClimaxF1's update- looks great!

 

[Masscot]

This was never my issue, in one of your previous uploads everyone was mentioned except me. I'm not talking about the author section in the ui folder which nobody looks at.

Your upload had no mention of me yet you used all my textures, vegetation, new tree's and day night lighting.

Can we not move on and just appreciate what everyone has done for this track.

I will delete my upload if we can find a way to combine everything and make my upload as a banner update.

This way there will be no confusion and the community will have the best possible track.

I'm pretty sure you were always mentioned in the UI changelog. Check the PMs from that time (I just did as I also have them to hand) and you'll be reminded that your issue was that you wanted more of a fuss made about your textures being used, NOT that you had not been credited at all.

 

[pugsang]

So it seems I did offend.. and I apologise for that, Pugsang.

Nothing to be offended, just point out that some things can be done and some not. The full track geometry had to be changed to include the new terrain from @pk3r72owns and this made things more complicated there.

 

[OooAhh Cantona]

SimDream has stolen those 1993 cars from ACFL. I don't know which cars he used as a base. Probably 1994. But there are still ACFL notes in the data folder.

I have very limited modding skill and I've had a lot of grey hairs when trying to fix them. The 1993 cars were a complete train wreck in their base form. They flip over and crash all over the place. I changed a lot and now they're "ok".

I DID fix most crashing issues with the 82, 83, 84 and 93 cars. Well sort of.

I mean the SD 82, 83, 84 cars still have this issue when they hit the barrier they start "crawling" on the track sometimes.

I don't remember exactly. If you have them installed now, do me a favour and try to race Adelaide 1992 with say, 20-22 car race grid. If they don't have issues during the 20 laps then they probably work everywhere.

I just did a quick AI test.

• SimDream 1993 F1 + RMi update
• Adelaide 1992
• 24 cars
• 100% strength, 100% aggression
• 10 laps
• Race mode (not Weekend and not full championship)

I put myself in last place and activated AI driver. Results...

• There were 2 brief crawls after a corner (no barrier hits).
• 3 retirements
  • 1 retirement was a flip due to my AI driver dive bombing at a corner and making contact with that car.
• Pitting was fine.
• No pile up crashes.

 

[ClimaxF1]

I'm pretty sure you were always mentioned in the UI changelog. Check the PMs from that time (I just did as I also have them to hand) and you'll be reminded that your issue was that you wanted more of a fuss made about your textures being used, NOT that you had not been credited at all.

Can we not move on, we should be celebrating this track.

Everyone's updates has made this one of AC's best tracks and am happy to be a part of that journey!