Aston Martin DBR9 Confirmed for GT Sport

[Furinkazen]

Not sure why you're playing mental gymnastics here, but the 2008 is essentially the same as the 2010 car, is it was basically the ex-works spec from 2008. If you plopped the car into the middle of the current GT3 or GTE fields they'd be off the pace.

Surfacing will get you a handful of time, not an entire 10 seconds

Mechanically same yes but significant aero differences.

Stream I believe said it was 2010 car? Well... it's not!

Appears to be a 2008 spec works car.

Cars built 2005-2007 (so including non works 009 cars) had different mirrors, and aero. Includes the Super GT entry.

2010 FIA GT1 cars had the "clean" front but not the tall curved rear wing, but rather a lower, flatter version with a swan neck support structure.

 

[Skygrasper550]

So I did a very quick benchmark lap around Brands Hatch, just to make sure which Group it's falling into once it arrives. And it's pretty much Gr.3 . I used the Ford GT LM Spec II because, like I said earlier, it's pretty much a GT1-spec car. See video below:

Car: Ford GT LM Spec II
Tires: Racing: Soft
Course: Brands Hatch GP
BoP: N/A
Time: 1:24.238


I also took a good look at the video of the race. At around 26:07, You can see all those who cross the finish line clock in 1:24.xxx lap times, which falls in line with the benchmark lap I made. I also calculated how long each lap was using the video. The race started at around 2:07 and ended at 26:07, which is 24 minutes. Multiplied by 60, that's 1440 seconds. Divided by 17 (which is the number of laps in the race), that's 84.7 seconds, which is 1:24.7xx .



And if that doesn't convince you enough, I also took out the Raybrig NSX for a quick spin using the same tires. BoP doesn't apply since it doesn't change anything to the NSX. See picture below.

EDIT: Update. Did a few more laps with the Ford GT, and after getting used to the track I got a 1:23.663.

 

[apff]

2016 GT500 are way more powerfull, have way more downforce, are lighter and have last gen confidential race tyres. No way a DBR9 could match.

Would be nice if PoDi added some same gen contenders to the Aston. Same about the McLaren F1.

 

[Phaceless_Ph]

Mechanically same yes but significant aero differences.

Doesn't debunk the point I'm making. The pace is still in the same ballpark as current GTE and GT3 cars.

 

[juanffy18]

Another one GT1 car!
Well after the inclusion of the F1 GTR and the DBR9 , i'm still waiting for more GT1 machines and kick off the VGT´S.

After the inclusion of the chicanes in La Sarthe:

Le Mans 1991
Mazda 787B: 3:43.503

Le Mans 1995:
McLaren F1 GTR: 3:57.180

Le Mans 1998
Mercedes-Benz CLK LM: 3:35.544
Toyota GT-One: 3:36.552
Porsche 911 GT1: 3:38.084
Nissan R390 GT1: 3:40.649
Panoz GTR-1: 3:40.730

Le Mans 1999:
Toyota GT-One: 3:29.930

Le Mans 2007:
Aston Martin DBR9: 3:48.969

The GT1 1998 cars would be fit easely in GR.2 or GR.1 class, if we compared the 787B already in GR.1 class whatever it is competitive or not

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I think one of Gran Turismo's biggest weakness"es is lumping incorrect cars together into one classification. Why are they so afraid it seems to create proper classes, why not have a touring car class, a super gt class, an actual club racing production class, nostalgic based classes that are era derived but yet still group together the proper cars that fit those classes?

But yet they seem determined to stick incorrect vehicles into a select few classes and call the gr3 or gr4 cars or even lmp cars when the cars they put in the class are not actual real representatives in those classes. Also it seems PD is one of the worst studios as far as keeping the cars within a class as fairly current.
The Dodge Viper has not been produced now since I think 2017 and is no longer raced in any major series but yet is still a featured car in GTS gr3. The current Ford GT car represented in gr3 was launched in 2004 and should not be in the modern gr3 class.
The latest Ford GT model from about 2015 was factory raced but has now been retired from racing the major series but yet has never been available in the GR3 class in GTS but it is included in several much smaller studios games. That also brings into the spotlight the absence of the Ferrari 488 another mainstay in in the GR3 class that has never been available in GTS but again is available in several much smaller studios games.

Then you take one of the most iconic race cars of all time the Porsche 917k and with a studio claiming to be in a partnership with Porsche how do you not include such an iconic legend of a car in the game when you include so many other early era cars?

PD has never made sense into how they group their cars within classifications/racing classes or followed any sort of reasonable pattern as far as to which cars they choose to introduce into the game as new models to expand, develop or enhance a certain racing class for actual on track class racing that follows a realistic course as compared to real world racing.

I like the new DBR9 car but it does not need to be in a modern gr3 or gr4 class for competition.

 

[Phaceless_Ph]

Another one GT1 car!
Well after the inclusion of the F1 GTR and the DBR9 , i'm still waiting for more GT1 machines and kick off the VGT´S.

After the inclusion of the chicanes in La Sarthe:

Le Mans 1991
Mazda 787B: 3:43.503

Le Mans 1995:
McLaren F1 GTR: 3:57.180

Le Mans 1998
Mercedes-Benz CLK LM: 3:35.544
Toyota GT-One: 3:36.552
Porsche 911 GT1: 3:38.084
Nissan R390 GT1: 3:40.649
Panoz GTR-1: 3:40.730

Le Mans 1999:
Toyota GT-One: 3:29.930

Le Mans 2007:
Aston Martin DBR9: 3:48.969

The GT1 1998 cars would be fit easely in GR.2 or GR.1 class, if we compared the 787B already in GR.1 class whatever it is competitive or not

GT1 between 97-99 was effectively LMP while GT1 during the DBR9 was essentially an evolution of the old GT2 class which was previously GTS.

 

[Suzumiya]

2016 GT500 are way more powerfull, have way more downforce, are lighter and have last gen confidential race tyres. No way a DBR9 could match.

Would be nice if PoDi added some same gen contenders to the Aston. Same about the McLaren F1.

No way the 2008 GT500s would be a match either. Class 1 cars are 3-5 seconds faster depending on the track. Are we forgetting thag they shoehorned in the 2008 cars with under 500 HP, then just put more power in it? Why not just put in the DBR9 with 1100 kg and 620 HP? It would be the same pace wise, Gran Turismo works on a pretty generic physics model.

And the 2010-2011 cars are much heavier and neutered. This is not a 2010 car.

Those who say it's on GTE pace, then the big question is why is the 911 RSR still so good despite BoP hits and such. Because it's different regs to GT3... it shouldn't be in a GT3 class.

2008 wing

2010-11 double element with added weight

 

[GT5Apex]

Im glad that they are adding the DBR9. It was one of the cars on my wishlist to be added to the game. Hopefully they add more GT1 cars.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Another indication on why GT Sport really should have more racing classes than just Gr.1-4. There's all of these GT race cars with varying degrees of performance that should not be racing against each other, but they are. The same problem that plagued the Xbox One Forza Motorsport titles.

Granted, it's still better than FM7's "Forza GT" class, which had GT4 cars in the same class as GTE. GT Sport hasn't done that, they kept GT4 separate in Gr.4. It's still becoming more of a problem. It started with the Porsche 911 RSR (why?!), then slowly expanded to the likes of the Mclaren F1 GTR, BMW M3 GT2, and Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car.

It really is a shame as I really like these additions of 90s and 2000s GT race cars. Those are some of my favorite race cars to drive in any racing game or sim. So, it would be cool to see them not having to be BOP'd for GT3 cars and rather race within their own classes like in real life. A class expansion could benefit online racing more so.

 

[Granadier]

So I did a very quick benchmark lap around Brands Hatch, just to make sure which Group it's falling into once it arrives. And it's pretty much Gr.3 . I used the Ford GT LM Spec II because, like I said earlier, it's pretty much a GT1-spec car. See video below:

Car: Ford GT LM Spec II
Tires: Racing: Soft
Course: Brands Hatch GP
BoP: N/A
Time: 1:24.238


I also took a good look at the video of the race. At around 26:07, You can see all those who cross the finish line clock in 1:24.xxx lap times, which falls in line with the benchmark lap I made. I also calculated how long each lap was using the video. The race started at around 2:07 and ended at 26:07, which is 24 minutes. Multiplied by 60, that's 1440 seconds. Divided by 17 (which is the number of laps in the race), that's 84.7 seconds, which is 1:24.7xx .



And if that doesn't convince you enough, I also took out the Raybrig NSX for a quick spin using the same tires. BoP doesn't apply since it doesn't change anything to the NSX. See picture below.

EDIT: Update. Did a few more laps with the Ford GT, and after getting used to the track I got a 1:23.663.

They confirmed during the Nations race on stream that it would be BoP'd for the Gr.3 class, but it's nice that you collected this data.

 

[MIE1992]

I think the current class system is fine, but I think what's needed is more events that don't permit every car within a given class. So all the cars in Gr.1 could stay there, but I'd like more interesting car restrictions, like a race just for the Group C cars. I think you could have fun restricting the car selection to the three LMPs from 2016 that are in the game, namely the TS050, the updated R18, and 919. There's just a lot of potential to keep the classes as they are, but also have fun with vehicle restrictions, instead of just picking a class and then allowing all the cars within that class to enter.

I'm also very convinced that many of the Sport Mode races (both the Daily Races and FIAGTC races) are procedurally-generated within somewhat limited parameters. It'd make sense since PD is likely very busy with working on the next GT game, but I'd really hope that between GT Sport and the next title, online races could become more interesting through vehicle restrictions. It's not unlike how the campaign may have an event that limits eligible cars to those with a boxer engine, or some other characteristic.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

Was starting to think they stopped adding cars in favor of making all new cars for GT7.. which I wouldn't have minded if it was the case.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I think the current class system is fine, but I think what's needed is more events that don't permit every car within a given class. So all the cars in Gr.1 could stay there, but I'd like more interesting car restrictions, like a race just for the Group C cars. I think you could have fun restricting the car selection to the three LMPs from 2016 that are in the game, namely the TS050, the updated R18, and 919. There's just a lot of potential to keep the classes as they are, but also have fun with vehicle restrictions, instead of just picking a class and then allowing all the cars within that class to enter.

I'm also very convinced that many of the Sport Mode races (both the Daily Races and FIAGTC races) are procedurally-generated within somewhat limited parameters. It'd make sense since PD is likely very busy with working on the next GT game, but I'd really hope that between GT Sport and the next title, online races could become more interesting through vehicle restrictions. It's not unlike how the campaign may have an event that limits eligible cars to those with a boxer engine, or some other characteristic.

They already do it with the Gr.4 FWD only races in Sport Mode so some kind of parameters exist.

 

[05XR8]

Until we all drive it ourselves, the only infor we have is Miyazano's initial impressions of the DBR9. It's fast in a straight line at Brands Hatch and requires early braking.

Sounds like the traits of a GT-R, Ford GT, Mustang and F1.

What time did Jimmy Broadbent set at Brands Hatch? I guess people can try to compare one flying lap, in the cars I mentioned above.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Whatever Jimmy did won't be accurate since he was trying to commentate at the same time and literally just sat down and went

 

[VulcanSpirit]

Until we all drive it ourselves, the only infor we have is Miyazano's initial impressions of the DBR9. It's fast in a straight line at Brands Hatch and requires early braking.

Sounds like the traits of a GT-R, Ford GT, Mustang and F1.

What time did Jimmy Broadbent set at Brands Hatch? I guess people can try to compare one flying lap, in the cars I mentioned above.

Jimmy's lap was a 1:28.526, which he said himself wasn't as quick as what others might or might have already clocked. As to the discussions about which category the DBR9 will be put in, his comments about the car's downforce and BoP seem to suggest Gr.3:

 

[SuperSportX]

Another one GT1 car!
Well after the inclusion of the F1 GTR and the DBR9 , i'm still waiting for more GT1 machines and kick off the VGT´S.

After the inclusion of the chicanes in La Sarthe:

Le Mans 1991
Mazda 787B: 3:43.503

Le Mans 1995:
McLaren F1 GTR: 3:57.180

Le Mans 1998
Mercedes-Benz CLK LM: 3:35.544
Toyota GT-One: 3:36.552
Porsche 911 GT1: 3:38.084
Nissan R390 GT1: 3:40.649
Panoz GTR-1: 3:40.730

Le Mans 1999:
Toyota GT-One: 3:29.930

Le Mans 2007:
Aston Martin DBR9: 3:48.969

The GT1 1998 cars would be fit easely in GR.2 or GR.1 class, if we compared the 787B already in GR.1 class whatever it is competitive or not

The Toyota GT ONE, CLK-LM and 911 GT1 1998 Spec would work in Gr.1

The R390, Panoz, F1 GTR Longtail and CLK-GTR would be too slow for Gr.1 assuming PD adds them, i've had yet to drive Gr.2 but I assume they would fit in. Forza Motorsport 4 had GT1 Spec cars racing against GT500 cars and they made for some really close and intense races.

 

[kjeldsen]

Le Mans 2005, all pictures by me.

 

[05XR8]

Whatever Jimmy did won't be accurate since he was trying to commentate at the same time and literally just sat down and went

Jimmy's lap was a 1:28.526, which he said himself wasn't as quick as what others might or might have already clocked. As to the discussions about which category the DBR9 will be put in, his comments about the car's downforce and BoP seem to suggest Gr.3:

A player can still reference that with one lap. Not 20 laps.

Plus, someone doesn't have to be an FIA Tour finalist to reference the cars I mentioned against that lap time. There will be players that lap slower than Jimmy's time.

Thanks for posting his time. I'll check it.

 

[apff]

No way the 2008 GT500s would be a match either. Class 1 cars are 3-5 seconds faster depending on the track. Are we forgetting thag they shoehorned in the 2008 cars with under 500 HP, then just put more power in it? Why not just put in the DBR9 with 1100 kg and 620 HP? It would be the same pace wise, Gran Turismo works on a pretty generic physics model.

And the 2010-2011 cars are much heavier and neutered. This is not a 2010 car.

Those who say it's on GTE pace, then the big question is why is the 911 RSR still so good despite BoP hits and such. Because it's different regs to GT3... it shouldn't be in a GT3 class.

2008 wing

2010-11 double element with added weight

I think are some misunderstanding in what you said.
GT500 2008 are based on the same regulation set than the GT1. However the japanese DBR9 didn’t race on the same performace level than in Europe. The engine restrictor was different. The minimum weight may have been to. The aero wasn’t adapted to this new rules set nor the engine hardware, ... without pushing the engineering to the rule book limit the car was off the pace, but not by much. A BOP could have solved the issue.

Looking at the 2010, GT1 were in their end while GT3 was developing. Some were racing on both ruleset. Those were old GT1 with cheapest components adapted to the BOP system that doesn’t require maximum performance. Some others were GT3 dedicated cars.

Looking at the 911 RSR, it is a GTE car. Basically it costs 2 to 4x the price of the 911 GT3. It is about the same weight, slightly bellow on power. GTE has more downforce for less drag. It races on confidential race tyres while the GT3 race on commercial race tyres that are less grippy. This make the GTE slightly quicker. Overall, if you want to race a GTE with a GT3, it will be downgraded in performance making it easier to drive (comparatively) which helps. The better balance due to more development helps too.

Back to the Aston, it raced in many type of events, FIA, ACO, SRO. All of them using slightly different rulebook. This explains the rear wing difference you see.

 

[RetroJohan]

 

[GTV0819]

I am not a race car fan But i love this, But most people complaining about race cars, are still going to use the same race cars even if they add more, so sonetimes i don’t understand Their logic

Maybe they also complain because they thought they would add more newer race cars in the game and not this.

 

[AlanH49]

What a nice addition but what about the new generation of GT3 cars like (Vantage GT3 Ford GT3 and that gorgeous Bentley Continental GT3 etc)??

At this point it’s an open secret a handful of GTE cars were scanned during the ‘18/‘19 WEC season.

 

[Marxander97]

At this point it’s an open secret a handful of GTE cars were scanned during the ‘18/‘19 WEC season.

For real? How do you know?

 

[Suzumiya]

I think are some misunderstanding in what you said.
GT500 2008 are based on the same regulation set than the GT1. However the japanese DBR9 didn’t race on the same performace level than in Europe. The engine restrictor was different. The minimum weight may have been to. The aero wasn’t adapted to this new rules set nor the engine hardware, ... without pushing the engineering to the rule book limit the car was off the pace, but not by much. A BOP could have solved the issue.

Looking at the 2010, GT1 were in their end while GT3 was developing. Some were racing on both ruleset. Those were old GT1 with cheapest components adapted to the BOP system that doesn’t require maximum performance. Some others were GT3 dedicated cars.

Looking at the 911 RSR, it is a GTE car. Basically it costs 2 to 4x the price of the 911 GT3. It is about the same weight, slightly bellow on power. GTE has more downforce for less drag. It races on confidential race tyres while the GT3 race on commercial race tyres that are less grippy. This make the GTE slightly quicker. Overall, if you want to race a GTE with a GT3, it will be downgraded in performance making it easier to drive (comparatively) which helps. The better balance due to more development helps too.

Back to the Aston, it raced in many type of events, FIA, ACO, SRO. All of them using slightly different rulebook. This explains the rear wing difference you see.

I know that the DBR9 raced in different events. The 2010-2011 car was a different spec with more weight and less aero. For the 2006-2008 car they used that same rear wing.

GT500 cars are silhouette racers. GT1 cars are from road car chassis. They are apples to oranges. GT500 rules based off GT1 was true for 1994-1996. It hasn't been since then.

GT1 in 2010 was being phased out by the SRO. ACO also started seeing little GT1 involvement so the aero difference is necessary for customer teams yes. That doesn't change that the 2008 car which is in the game is still seconds ahead of the GT3 cars in this. GTE has specific aero regulations and tire regulations. done with this

 

[VulcanSpirit]

Something I spotted while going through Jimmer's guide:

Gr.3 it is, then.

 

[juanffy18]

Basically is the Gulf Oil livery car?

 

[BrunusCL82]

I never imagined that the cars of old FIA GT1 competition would be added. With DBR9 added, my hope of seeing the following cars is on:

- Ford GT GT1 Matech
- Saleen S7-R
- Maserati MC12 GT1
- GM Corvette C6.R
- Lambo Murciélago R-SV GT1

 

[Scuderia Paul]

Yes it is pretty much the Gulf liveried works car from 2010 with albeit with some sponsor changes. I will be making the green with orange trim cars from 2006 (PSP) and 2007 (Intercontinental Hotels & Resorts).

I'm really looking forward to trying it. Delighted to be getting a new race car.

I never imagined that the cars of old FIA GT1 competition would be added. With DBR9 added, my hope of seeing the following cars is on:

- Ford GT GT1 Matech
- Saleen S7-R
- Maserati MC12 GT1
- GM Corvette C6.R
- Lambo Murciélago R-SV GT1

The Maserati MC12 GT1 is my all-time favourite GT car so that would be heaven.