At least 30 dead in Virginia Tech shooting, CNN calls monumental tragedy

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Joey D
I saw the video...it was disturbing to say the least. He had some issues with his mental health, I'm surprised no one was out to help him. I mean didn't his roommates notice he needed some help? And I'm not going to buy they didn't know, if you are mentally willing to kill 30 people and yourself, it's not a spur of the moment thing.
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He was mentally assesed wasn't he? And the doctor warned the police that he is a danger.

On the whole violent video games thing, someone on another forum posted something which kind of sums up the whole thing.

"Violent video games make violent people violent"

It's not going to turn the average bloke into Pol Pot.
 
I heard it on the news yesterday, damn, I feel so sorry for those who lost someone 👎

However, if this person was mentally ill or whatever desease he might have, I, once again, blame America's stupid gun law. I'm pretty sure you all have seen that documentary with Peter ....(last name?) I can not believe how you can recieve a gun for free with bullets by simply creating a bank account. I do not care about the flaming I might going to get right now but in the end, IMO, it's the current gun law in America which is ever so loose, they're just asking for problems!
 
What if this idiot NEVER in his life even played a video game ? he sent a package with a manifesto in it and never ONCE alluded to any game ever made.

so those fellows blaming video games are as usual pulling things out of their backsides again...and its not only their heads .
 
Sureshot
"Violent video games make violent people violent"
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Personally I would not even go that far, a game (no matter how violent) can't 'make' someone violent.


Bram Turismo
I heard it on the news yesterday, damn, I feel so sorry for those who lost someone 👎

However, if this person was mentally ill or whatever desease he might have, I, once again, blame America's stupid gun law. I'm pretty sure you all have seen that documentary with Peter ....(last name?) I can not believe how you can recieve a gun for free with bullets by simply creating a bank account. I do not care about the flaming I might going to get right now but in the end, IMO, it's the current gun law in America which is ever so loose, they're just asking for problems!
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I believe you are on about the documentary Bowling for Colombine by Michael Moore, in which even he points out a small fact you have missed. Many countries have gun laws as relaxed or more relaxed than the US, for example Canada. Or take Switzerland a country in which all adult men are required to do national service and then keep weapons at home, and not just sidearms, we are talking fully automatic assault weapons here. Sorry but the lax gun laws argument does not wash and even Michael Moore acknowledged that point, in fact Bowling for Colombine does not reach a definitive conclusion as to why such events occur.




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What if this idiot NEVER in his life even played a video game ? he sent a package with a manifesto in it and never ONCE alluded to any game ever made.

so those fellows blaming video games are as usual pulling things out of their backsides again...and its not only their heads .
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👍 Quite agree, the entire Daily Mail piece I posted quite honestly is them pushing a social and political agenda, as far as I am aware no proof exists that he was an avid games player or that he had even watched Oldboy (I have the whole Vengeance trilogy on DVD - does this automatically make me a risk?) No of course not). As far as I can tell they have made the link based on two photos (out of many) that slightly resemble shots from the film, despite many other pictures having no resemblance at all. Gutter journalism at its worst.


Regards

Scaff
 
Scaff
Personally I would not even go that far, a game (no matter how violent) can't 'make' someone violent.



I believe you are on about the documentary Bowling for Colombine by Michael Moore, in which even he points out a small fact you have missed. Many countries have gun laws as relaxed or more relaxed than the US, for example Canada. Or take Switzerland a country in which all adult men are required to do national service and then keep weapons at home, and not just sidearms, we are talking fully automatic assault weapons here. Sorry but the lax gun laws argument does not wash and even Michael Moore acknowledged that point, in fact Bowling for Colombine does not reach a definitive conclusion as to why such events occur.





👍 Quite agree, the entire Daily Mail piece I posted quite honestly is them pushing a social and political agenda, as far as I am aware no proof exists that he was an avid games player or that he had even watched Oldboy (I have the whole Vengeance trilogy on DVD - does this automatically make me a risk?) No of course not). As far as I can tell they have made the link based on two photos (out of many) that slightly resemble shots from the film, despite many other pictures having no resemblance at all. Gutter journalism at its worst.


Regards

Scaff
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If violent games made a person kill crazy , then as a gamer since pong who is an AVID violent game player..evil Sids Civ series has wars in it ......I'd think I would be put in jail just in case.
 
Scaff
Personally I would not even go that far, a game (no matter how violent) can't 'make' someone violent.


Regards

Scaff
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A person who's mentally unstable enough to take 32 lives and then his own is incredibly unpredictable.
 
Sureshot
A person who's mentally unstable enough to take 32 lives and then his own is incredibly unpredictable.
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I don't believe I disputed that, nor was I speaking in regard to this specific incident, more the incorrect assumption that video games can make someone violent.

If you wish to refer this to the Virginia Tech shootings then keep in mind then currently no evidence exists at all that he was an avid gamer of any form. Rather given the video message posted to the media it would currently appear that he was of the opinion that certain parts of society had driven him to these actions (that they would have the blood on their hands). Nothing at all currently even indicates that video games (violent or otherwise) had even a passing role to play in this.

Could playing a video game, watching a film or listening to certain music trigger a violent outburst in someone? Well that's a much broader subject and one still very much removed from making anyone do anything. No proven link between entertainment and/or media forms and violent behaviour has even been credibly made. Mentally unstable people can be triggered into violent outbursts by a wide range of factors, often completely trivial and unrelated to anything in particular. Links to games/music/films have been attempted as a form of defence in the past and as far as I am aware have never been successful.

Lets look at it this way, the average evening news contains far more real violence and depravity that almost any video game, yet would you make the same claim that it can 'make' people violent?

Regards

Scaff
 
Violent games and films ect can desensitise people to violence, but they won't make someone violent.
 
American gun laws aren't the problem, it's the lack of training people get. Banning guns will not make the problem go away, in fact it will put guns in the hands of the people who shouldn't have them and take them away from the people that should if they so desire. Education on gun safety will go a lot further then banning guns, but if you are going to commit a crime with a gun chances are you are going to buy it by other then legal means.
 
RACECAR
here's a rather interesting article you guys might be interested in: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070424/ap_en_tv/winfrey_virginia_tech
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The Mainstream Media censors video and images of 9/11 with concern that it would hurt the families that have been affected, yet billboards these images of this bastard 24/7 and calls it: "good journalism". Why the hypocrisy? It's only "good journalism" when it pushes their agenda.

Something you won't see on CNN:

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070424/481/bag10304241004
 
You learned about America's gun laws from Bowling for Columbine, that's a pretty inaccurate view of what it's like.
 
There was an interesting bit in The Independant last Thursday on guns in America and it summed it up rather well, I thought.

"Europe doesn't understand America's things with guns and America doesn't understand Europe's problem with guns" Two very different worlds, hey?
 
Solid Fro
The Mainstream Media censors video and images of 9/11 with concern that it would hurt the families that have been affected, yet billboards these images of this bastard 24/7 and calls it: "good journalism". Why the hypocrisy? It's only "good journalism" when it pushes their agenda.
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Honestly, showing Cho's video is no different than showing bin Laden's video after 9/11, or every other terrorist video after an attack. The stuff that was held back from 9/11 (cell phone calls, security footage) is the same as witholding the Columbine school security videos, or any possible school security footage VT may have.

I wonder if they could have less crazy footage of Cho to show that would have been a little more respectful, but as was said in the article, this answered why. The only other way to have done it would have been a transcript, but words on paper about the downfalls of society may give his personal resonings but they don't show how completely looney tunes this guy was.

Bram Turismo
Enough to know that getting a rifle for free at a bank is wrong...
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I can do that? I must be at the wrong bank. They didn't even offer me a toaster.

I hate to tell you, but our gun laws do not allow you to walk into a bank, open an account and get a free rifle the way Moore did. Either the bank broke the law, and Moore with them, or the bank is telling the truth when they claim Moore called to set up the account weeks before the filming, allowing for 10 day waiting period that is/was bank policy. Currently Michigan law requires a permit given to you by the state to purchase a gun.

So, basically what you are basing your opinion on was either not done according to law, or was a lie. Either way, it means you don't know what the American gun laws are if that is what you are basing them on.
 
The bank was in the upper peninsula of Michigan if I remember correctly. Those yoopers are so used to guns though it didn't really matter, every yooper owns at least one firearm...I'm sure of it.
 
Thats funy Moore was totally discredited for Bowling on Columbine and his work has been exposed for the farce it is , yet people STILL claim to have learned from it.

So what does that say about you ?
 

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