At least 30 dead in Virginia Tech shooting, CNN calls monumental tragedy

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No. No. No. NO! This is NOT a gun control topic. And for the very reason I have already stated.
I did it on another forum and I will do it here: I will start a gun control topic if necessary, but I would really appreciate it if this topic would not be dragged down in this. It is disrespectful in my opinion.
 
This is an extremely sad event.

My thoughts are with the families of those involved.
Killing like this is senseless, and unfortunately it brings back memories of Columbine.
 
No. No. No. NO! This is NOT a gun control topic. And for the very reason I have already stated.
I did it on another forum and I will do it here: I will start a gun control topic if necessary, but I would really appreciate it if this topic would not be dragged down in this. It is disrespectful in my opinion.

Just putting in my 2 cents.
 
A gun isn't designed to save life, they are meerely marketed as such in places where it is legal to puchase them, but that is not their design. Guns are designed to kill. You have that the wrong way round, wheras cars are designed as a form of transport but can be used to kill, guns are designed to kill but can be used as a deterrent or to save your life. How right or wrong it is for guns to be legal in the US is of no concern to me, I don't live there, I don't know American pollitics, I don't really want to know them and I am not questioning that aspect of the debate. Any comments that may indicate such are as I stated earlier, only related to the UK. But you cannot compare a gun to a car, and say you can use both to kill so in terms of legality they should be considered equal or some bull like that. Guns are designed as weapons, there is a big difference.

I'll take this to another thread.
 
My Condolences to One And All,
I am nether a second ammendment appologist nor a knee jerk liberal, I am merely a citizen of a world that has become an increasingly dangerous place in which to dwell. Ever since the first being to walk upright, discovered that a bone left over from the previous meal could be used to inflict blunt force trauma, mankind has been doing so with great verve. One could argue that the abundance of fire arms in this country is the root cause. I think not. I believe that the lack of civility, the acceptance of violence as an acceptable means to an end is the true villain.
We are an advanced species, yet we are the only species that kills for sport, or passion. We are inundated daily with reports of murder and mayhem, and as a result we have become somewhat numb to all of it. In the comming days, the horror of this will become less and less fresh, until another news story of similar magnitude comes along to replace it. History bears this out.
This type of senseless violence has been going on since the sixties.
How many people remember the shootings in Texas in the sixties, the Luby's Cafeteria masacre, Columbine, and the more recent murders of the Amish children?
Until we collectively as a society take to heart the pain, the agony, the shock, that these horrendous assaults to our greater community cause, then this behavior will go on unchecked, unabated.
When there are those to punish, then do so with an unholy wrath that would be a true deterent. When there are none to punish, we feel a sense of impotence. From that place we need to all come together, to mourn, to rant, and ultimately heal. We are indeed our brothers keeper, and we need to treat that role with the gravity it so deserves.
Leave us treat one another with respect and dignity, let us bring civility back into our daily existence.
Mournfully
Fangio
 
I finally got to watch the 80 year old man who lives on the street where I work get shot and die during a gang shooting . So far this year in Phila. he is 147 I think ...murdered because he was in a bad spot .

I guess 32 at once is different ....but watching the video from our security camera's ....well it was difficult ...because all I remember is an old smiling man that waved to me every day when I left to go home. I didn't recognize the slab of meat that they tuned him into.

If only one person had a weapon to shoot back ....if only .
 
This is a twisted and sick individual. I feel for the families of the lost and wounded. Those are the people that matter right now.
 
here's one thing I don't get: if they saw this and were worried, why couldn't they have pulled him to the side and talked to him? people always think that by leaving him to some counselor that the problem is solve and yet it is not. it wouldn't have hurt to talk and listen to him. I've done that with someone before and it worked. how hard is that?


and my heart felt condolences go out to those families, for the response to the incident is inexcusable and if it was faster, it could have spared those other 31 lives.
 
He probably would have shot 'em.
here's thing about it: this was before he purchased those guns so they could have stopped it. instead, it seems like they were too scared to even try and if they would have at least attempted to reach out to him, I'm sure he would have accepted.
 
Was there an explanation already of why people did nothing about it in those two hours gap when he killed the first two victims?
 
Ah, ok. I watched it on the news last night and they didn't say any of that. Thanks.
Yeah, the first two looked like a crime of passion as it was his girlfriend he was arguing with an someone who tried to intervene. At first glance that is just a murder and you are looking for a man with a gun, but at that point you have no reason to suspect he will do anything more than try to hide and maybe retaliate against anyone who tries to stop him. In reality, he had stowed his guns and was walking around looking like every other college student on campus.

The fact that he managed to go two hours before shooting anyone else tells me he had targets in mind.
 
Actually, the story is that the police thought another guy the girl dated was responsible for the first two killings and it took awhile before they tracked him down. They were in the process of questioning him when the other shootings started.
 
i'm still baffled by this all. i was watching CNN this morning they said "he was considered disturbingly quiet" and he wrote plays so derranged that i can't quote them here without risk of a ban. sheesh this gut was a whack job or what.
 
I've read some of his writings. Strange, yes, but stranger than the storylines for some horror and/or thriller films?

Him not even acknowledging someone's greeting when they were the only two people around, or sitting on the edge of his bed staring at a blank wall for hours on end, is the red flag to me. That's pretty much when you've disconnected yourself from the rest of humanity.
 
Actually, the story is that the police thought another guy the girl dated was responsible for the first two killings and it took awhile before they tracked him down. They were in the process of questioning him when the other shootings started.
I hadn't heard that part yet. The fact still is that police reacted appropriately for what appeared to be a murder of passion.

The fact that they had their main suspect only backs up their case that they had reacted appropriately during those two hours.

Had they suspected the right person it is still questionable whether they would have found him, because he wasn't where he normally would have been.

I have heard a lot of people accusing the police, but if they shut down an entire campus/neighborhood everytime a domestic dispute ended in murder people would be in an uproar over their rights being violated. When I first heard about this it was a scroll across the bottom of Headline News saying that a dorm was under lockdown while police searched for a gunman wanted in a double murder. That sounds like proper procedure to me.
 
i'm still baffled by this all. i was watching CNN this morning they said "he was considered disturbingly quiet" and he wrote plays so derranged that i can't quote them here without risk of a ban. sheesh this gut was a whack job or what.
I'm not at all surprised about what those writings contained. often what a person writes can reveal their inner feelings and can be the missing puzzle to their life. this possibly could have dipicted his own inner struggle.

Edit: it appears that indeed that writing had something to do with his struggle. look here-Disturbing video
 
On Fox News Now, They are showing some pictures and videos that he sent in a package to NBC, the pictures of him holding all different guns and other weapons and the videos of how he said he is a martyr and he hates the wealthy and that they forced him to do what he did.
 
I saw the video...it was disturbing to say the least. He had some issues with his mental health, I'm surprised no one was out to help him. I mean didn't his roommates notice he needed some help? And I'm not going to buy they didn't know, if you are mentally willing to kill 30 people and yourself, it's not a spur of the moment thing.
 
I am glad that he at least sent something somewhere. However, I am disgusted that he has achieved his 5 days of fame and the immortality in the minds of those affected in such a heinous way.

He looks and sounds quite demented. I feel as bad for his family and especially his sister. They too will be forever scarred by his unfortunate choice and perverse judgement.

I will agree with him that there are injustices to the institution in the forms of debauchery and the like, especially now in high school more so than college and university. However, they shouldn't be a burden of any student not involved. Unfortunately, Mr. Cho caught himself up in a point-of-view war in which he never belonged. I hope, if one good thing can come of this incident, his false-martyrdom and massacre of the innocent is used as an example of how not to behave and make decisions when similarly troubled people are seeking help with their dilemmas.

I'm done; may all those affected be at peace.
 
I was listening to Tom Leykis tonight. Im sure there are some here that know who he is, he is syndicated all over america. I usually find his show entertaining. There are somethings he says I agree with and some I dont. The things I dont agree with really dont bother me as they're his opinion. Tonight he said something that really bothered me.

He started talking about how the students and others in mourning at VT were praying to god. He's an athiest. He was playing sound clips of students who were saying such things as; "god is watching us", "we're praying to god now" etc. He was actually laughing at this. He went to explain how god could not be so powerful or caring otherwise this would not have happend.

It bothers me because I see it as trying to kick them while they're down. I'm not particularly a believer in God, but I dont consider myself and athiest or agnostic for reasons of the above example. Athiests tend to have a smug sense of superiority and feel as if they're more intelligent than a person who holds a religion. Tom even said, "they have a lower IQ than I do".

As I said I am not a believer in God, but I still respect a persons faith. I understand why they choose to believe in God and I respect that. These people are in mourning. This is how they mourn; this is how they deal with pain and tragedy and for him to spend an hour to try to take that away from them is ignorant.

But, it's his opinion. I may not agree with it but he has a right to say it. As Voltaire said: "While I may not agree with what you have to say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it."


I've read some of his writings. Strange, yes, but stranger than the storylines for some horror and/or thriller films?

I also read his plays. They sucked ass. No wonder he was suicidal depressant. Hack.
 
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