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Heh. Yeah, that's the word.
Atheism vs. Religion
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wut about titans?
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Er? What?
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Ever heard of questioning, rather than just semi-blindly believing?
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How can you choose which to believe. Don't you have this drive or desire deep inside you that is always asking why? What are you going to do in your life, if not to try and learn and expand your mind. Or atleast contribute to the rest of us trying to use our very entertaining brains which we were blessed with?
What I find depressing, is thinking of a life where I just basically join the rat race, eat, work, watch tv, buy the crap from the commercial, pay taxes, eat, take a crap, feed the dog, sleep and do it all again the next day. With superficial rewards, like buying yourself something or whatever.
ALthough one way of life is necessary to have a smooth running society, I don't prefer to be a crank in the well oiled machine.
What I find depressing, is thinking of a life where I just basically join the rat race, eat, work, watch tv, buy the crap from the commercial, pay taxes, eat, take a crap, feed the dog, sleep and do it all again the next day. With superficial rewards, like buying yourself something or whatever.
ALthough one way of life is necessary to have a smooth running society, I don't prefer to be a crank in the well oiled machine.
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That is genius
That is genius
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What they said ^
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No, atheism is not depressing. The absense of a god does not mean that atheists have an absense of morals. It's a normal life, we just don't go to church and throw away 10% of our money.
And, what sounds nicer? How about what sounds realistic?
im just the kind of person who needs facts. i wont believe it till i see it. plus i really dont care. i can live without religion. im a good person. i do good things. im not gonna spend my life worshiping and god that no one has any idea if he really exists or not. how can some people get so pasionate about thier religions when they have no proof its real. oh well. like i say. live and let live.
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I myself am questioning everything i can about religion right now and am reading all kinds of books about all different kinds of religions to see the points that people make in them so that i can step back and evaluate all of the information i have recieved. I have a hard time believing in any religion that i have read about so far. some of them have valid points but as a whole none of them seem to work for me.
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Not nearly as big a waste of time as your post. If it doesn't matter why do you continue to post in this thread?
Just because you are content as an ignoramus (and yet opinionated... a particularly annoying combination) doesn't mean others are wasting time by attempting to understand the world. In fact, your post tells anyone who reads it all they will ever need (or want) to know about you.
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Do you not realize that people are different. You are different from everyone, so you prefer to do certain things, and you dont like to think. You are just different. If you still dont understand this concept you will never really understand what we are talking about.
ok i realize people are different. i was just asking him the question. and i understand what youre talking about. i know more about religion than a lot of religious people. first off i want to say that religion IS a good thing. it keeps morals in people. if we didnt have it then the world would be a much worse place to live. but its only good to a certain extent. some people take it too far and become radical about it. those people are just as bad or worse than the radical athiests. but i think relgion is a waste of time because most of the stories tell things that supposedly happend that are impossible to happen. ya some people can call them "miricles(sp?)." but the word miricle gets thrown around so much that anything remotely good that happens is called a miricle. i mean these stories that the bible tells are rediculous. how can anyone believe them? and to me thats all they are, are stories. fairy tales. but like i said religion is a good thing and the world is better off with it, too a certain extent. i think they said it best in the movie Dogma when they said that erligion should remain an IDEA. not a belief because ideas can be changed, but beliefs are what people are willing to fight to the death to defend. and baisically thats all religion is, is a belief. another theory on how we got here. just like the big bang theory and just like darwins theory. another idea on how we got here that we most likly will never prove. but my main argument isnt against religion itself. its organized religion. i even believe that in the new testament it stated that worship should be done in private when you are alone. but hey, the bible does have a lot of flaws and contradictions around every corner. but organized religion has gotten so big that i dont even want to trust the preachers anymore. first off most "religious" people are less holy than me. yet they continue to go every sunday to give their 10% and kiss gods ass and they think they can get away with all the sins they have commited during the week. and this not only goes for regular people but the preachers themselves. an old lady goes to church every sunday. shes on a fixed income and the only money she has coming in is her social security. she cant afford it but she still gives her money to the church. do u thing she ever gets anything back 10 fold? i doubt it. the precher is wearing his armoni(sp?) suits, rolex watched and driving his brand new lexus, while the old lady is in her run down retirement home, eating a can of dog food because thats all she can afford. not to say theres anything wrong for the precher lining his own pockets for doing the lords good work, but i think he could give a little more of that out to a better cause. and i can go on for days about organized religion but im actually kinda tired of typeing. baisically to me religion is a security blanket. people need that thought that there is something more powerful out there for them to help them. i dont need that so to me its a waste of time. thats all i was saying. and i think that religion is a really bad subject to talk about because its a touchy subject and people will get pissed off at you no matter what you say. and to milefile, i dont care what people think about me. ya im opinionated and ill give my opinion whether people like it or not. this is the "opinion" forum isnt it?
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Milefile, I have been labeled as an atheist. I have adopted this label for matters of convenience.
Now, you say that atheism is essentially no different than any sort of theism. Well, its true that they both end in theism. But thats where it ends.
Is there a group of atheists out there that feels the need to harm people of religion. NO. I have only ever met pacifistic atheists like myself.
You also contradict your self. In saying that people should become "no kind of theist" instead of an atheist is redundant. Atheist is perfectly synonomous to "no kind of theist". Its like saying, are you asexual or are you of no sex.
Now, when you state that atheists are tethered to gods. I assume you are speaking allegorically. But that is ALL you say. How can you state something that seems to contradict itself in definition and then end your discourse?! (And then get praise for it!!!).
I mean, it might have some prima facie appeal, in that it sounds interesting and insightful. But your last statement, doesn't state anything at all!
When you say, "tethered to gods" I can only assume you are using the word god interchangeably with "belief".
You know. I can't even begin to tell you what is wrong with what you've said. At this point, I am just going to let you clear it up for us.
Now, you say that atheism is essentially no different than any sort of theism. Well, its true that they both end in theism. But thats where it ends.
Is there a group of atheists out there that feels the need to harm people of religion. NO. I have only ever met pacifistic atheists like myself.
You also contradict your self. In saying that people should become "no kind of theist" instead of an atheist is redundant. Atheist is perfectly synonomous to "no kind of theist". Its like saying, are you asexual or are you of no sex.
Now, when you state that atheists are tethered to gods. I assume you are speaking allegorically. But that is ALL you say. How can you state something that seems to contradict itself in definition and then end your discourse?! (And then get praise for it!!!).
I mean, it might have some prima facie appeal, in that it sounds interesting and insightful. But your last statement, doesn't state anything at all!
When you say, "tethered to gods" I can only assume you are using the word god interchangeably with "belief".
You know. I can't even begin to tell you what is wrong with what you've said. At this point, I am just going to let you clear it up for us.
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Why isn't agnosticism an option? There are plenty of people who have thought about it a great deal but haven't reached any firm conclusion.
Don't assume that those who have no absolute opinion simply haven't given it enough consideration.
Don't assume that those who have no absolute opinion simply haven't given it enough consideration.
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The entire question is a curious one. My wife and I are having friends over tonight, and they are what you'd call "bible thumpers". I really don't care if they are or aren't. They're good people, and I like them, until they start rambling about god and their church. More and more it sounds like they are trying to convince themselves that they are right. I sit and listen and don't say a word. There is no need to ask questions because they will inevitably tell you everything. It ends up being a big turn off. A nice evening of conversation turns rather indecent in the wake of their religious speeches. It's like they're telling you what color underwear they have on, and why they picked it. I just don't care, and it adds noting to the relationship.
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I would never instigate an argument with a religonite. But, I must admit, I am secretly hoping that they start a debate with me. In fact, I am confident, that I could out-debate the strongest supporter of religion. Of, course I do have an advantage; I have the truth on my side, and they have ancient lies, fabricated in lieu of any understanding of the world.
It's really too bad humans, put so much trust in ancient beliefs. It seems very obvious that they would make up lies, but whatever.
It's really too bad humans, put so much trust in ancient beliefs. It seems very obvious that they would make up lies, but whatever.
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The dont want to debate with you. 99% of religious folks wil tell you that it's an "undebatable feeling"...... "you have to know in your heart",... balh, blah,. "if God saw our greatest need to be knowldge, he would've sent us a scientist"......
...."our greatest need is forgivness, so he sent us a savior"......
Thats the only type of debate you will get outta them,... totally not even worth the time.....
Thats deep,... maybe a bit TOO deep?
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