Australia Proposes Mandatory Internet Censorship - Now Includes Video Games

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I'm in the Us so thsi won't affect me, but I was curious what the thoughts of some of our members down under were on this. If it were the US I would be fired up.

It would also be interesting to see if anyone has more information regarding this.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24568137-2862,00.html
AUSTRALIA will join China in implementing mandatory censoring of the internet under plans put forward by the Federal Government.

The revelations emerge as US tech giants Google, Microsoft and Yahoo, and a coalition of human rights and other groups unveiled a code of conduct aimed at safeguarding online freedom of speech and privacy.

The government has declared it will not let internet users opt out of the proposed national internet filter.

The plan was first created as a way to combat child pronography and adult content, but could be extended to include controversial websites on euthanasia or anorexia.

Communications minister Stephen Conroy revealed the mandatory censorship to the Senate estimates committee as the Global Network Initiative, bringing together leading companies, human rights organisations, academics and investors, committed the technology firms to "protect the freedom of expression and privacy rights of their users".

Mr Conroy said trials were yet to be carried out, but "we are talking about mandatory blocking, where possible, of illegal material."

The net nanny proposal was originally going to allow Australians who wanted uncensored access to the web the option of contacting their internet service provider to be excluded from the service.

Human Rights Watch has condemned internet censorship, and argued to the US Senate "there is a real danger of a Virtual Curtain dividing the internet, much as the Iron Curtain did during the Cold War, because some governments fear the potential of the internet, (and) want to control it"

Groups including the System Administrators Guild of Australia and Electronic Frontiers Australia have attacked the proposal, saying it would unfairly restrict Australians' access to the web, slow internet speeds and raise the price of internet access.

EFA board member Colin Jacobs said it would have little effect on illegal internet content, including child pornography, as it would not cover file-sharing networks.

"If the Government would actually come out and say we're only targeting child pornography it would be a different debate," he said.

The technology companies' move, which follows criticism that the companies were assisting censorship of the internet in nations such as China, requires them to narrowly interpret government requests for information or censorship and to fight to minimise cooperation.

The initiative provides a systematic approach to "work together in resisting efforts by governments that seek to enlist companies in acts of censorship and surveillance that violate international standards", the participants said.

In a statement, Yahoo co-founder and chief executive Jerry Yang welcomed the new code of conduct.

"These principles provide a valuable roadmap for companies like Yahoo operating in markets where freedom of expression and privacy are unfairly restricted," he said.

"Yahoo was founded on the belief that promoting access to information can enrich people's lives, and the principles we unveil today reflect our determination that our actions match our values around the world."

Yahoo was thrust into the forefront of the online rights issue after the Californian company helped Chinese police identify cyber dissidents whose supposed crime was expressing their views online.

China exercises strict control over the internet, blocking sites linked to Chinese dissidents, the outlawed Falun Gong spiritual movement, the Tibetan government-in-exile and those with information on the 1989 Tiananmen massacre.

A number of US companies, including Microsoft, Cisco, Google and Yahoo, have been hauled before the US Congress in recent years and accused of complicity in building the "Great Firewall of China".

The Australian Christian Lobby, however, has welcomed the proposals.

Managing director Jim Wallace said the measures were needed.

"The need to prevent access to illegal hard-core material and child pornography must be placed above the industry's desire for unfettered access," Mr Wallace said.

One aspect to look at regarding this is gaming. Australia has already prevented some of the more violent games from coming to the country and if you import the game and attempt to play it online I believe that this could block it. It could even prevent you from being able to import the game online, because if I understand correctly, those games would be illegal to be sold in Australia, thus falling under the definition of blocking illegal material.
 
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I feel China will be the next great country where freedom thrives, and Australia will be one of those who will have taken their place as a communist power.
 
Strangly enough I was talking to Keef about this yesterday. The idiots of Australia have elected a leftist idiot who pretty much wants us to jump into bed with China and will do anything to get us there. But I digress.

The day internet is censored here is the day I start looking to leave the country. Get the people who put illegal material on the internet, rather than the internet itself. Of course, it will start at illegal material, then it will be material in 'bad taste', then it will be any sites that have anything bad to say about the government, then...
 
This can't actually prosper, can it?

While I can understand that the content they want too block is dangerous, such far-reaching censorship is wrong, IMHO... to censor content due to cultural bias... if the content itself is globally illegal (i.e.: Child Pornography), then that's a whole different kettle of fish... but... anorexia? Euthanasia? Nuh-uh... cultural bias... and the prejudices of the government cannot be allowed to dictate the thoughts of its citizens, whatever denomination or philosophy they follow.
 
Nothing from the Australian government suprises me anymore, they will probably charge us for the 'privilege' of the internet being censored.
 
Strangly enough I was talking to Keef about this yesterday. The idiots of Australia have elected a leftist idiot who pretty much wants us to jump into bed with China and will do anything to get us there. But I digress.

The day internet is censored here is the day I start looking to leave the country. Get the people who put illegal material on the internet, rather than the internet itself. Of course, it will start at illegal material, then it will be material in 'bad taste', then it will be any sites that have anything bad to say about the government, then...

Yes, what the hell is going on this has come out of nowhere! I sincerely hope it's just a joke because if they want to start censoring the internet here I'd also be considering leaving.

And with regards to the R18+ games, it's only one stubborn SOB South Australian man who won't change his mind that's not allowing us to have those games. :(
 
And with regards to the R18+ games, it's only one stubborn SOB South Australian man who won't change his mind that's not allowing us to have those games. :(


I'm sorry but those games scare me, so you can't have them either. :P
 
omg... cant be serious....
Why and where did this happen...

Who voted for our moron prime minister!!
 
Nothing from the Australian government suprises me anymore, they will probably charge us for the 'privilege' of the internet being censored.
Yep, i bet your right...hjust another form of revenue for the Goverment.:rolleyes:
I don't think 'Mr man' knows how to think for himself, constantly following China 'like a dog on a leash'.*shakes head*
If the goverment tries to get 'all controlling' over the Internet, there will be some serious repocussions to deal with.
Rusty*
 
go the alcopop tax!!... opps wrong thread...

seriously im sick of all the censorship we get that other countries dont...
 
I feel China will be the next great country where freedom thrives, and Australia will be one of those who will have taken their place as a communist power.

The success of the Chinese economy has been based on impinged freedoms. That won't be changing any time soon.

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The plan was first created as a way to combat child pronography and adult content, but could be extended to include controversial websites on euthanasia or anorexia.

Pointless, they'll just go underground. Which makes it harder to police.
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but this is being extended to gaming sites that have Flash playable, downloadable, or importable games available that exceed the MA15+ rating. All Refused Classification (RC) games are illegal to be sold, and as such any sites doing so in any format will be blocked.

So, you guys will have a hard time just importing legally allowed, but not regionally available, games too, as if those sites carry any RC games they will be blocked.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/web-filters-to-censor-video-games-20090625-cxrx.html

Web filters to censor video games

Asher Moses
June 25, 2009
The Federal Government has now set its sights on gamers, promising to use its internet censorship regime to block websites hosting and selling video games that are not suitable for 15 year olds.

Separately, the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, has been nominated by the British ISP industry for its annual "internet villain" award, competing alongside the European Parliament and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Australia is the only developed country without an R18+ classification for games, meaning any titles that do not meet the MA15+ standard - such as those with excessive violence or sexual content - are simply banned from sale by the Classification Board, unless they are modified to remove the offending content.

So far, this has only applied to local bricks-and-mortar stores selling physical copies of games, but a spokesman for Senator Conroy confirmed that under the filtering plan, it will be extended to downloadable games, flash-based web games and sites which sell physical copies of games that do not meet the MA15+ standard.

This means that even Australians who are aged above 15 and want to obtain the adult-level games online will be unable to do so. . It will undoubtedly raise the ire of gamers, the average age of which is 30 in Australia, according to research commissioned by the Interactive Entertainment Association of Australia.

Colin Jacobs, spokesman for the online users' lobby group Electronic Frontiers Australia, said the Government clearly went far beyond any mandate it had from the public to help parents deal with cyber-safety.

He said Australians would soon learn this the hard way when they find web pages mysteriously blocked.

"This is confirmation that the scope of the mandatory censorship scheme will keep on creeping," said Mr Jacobs.

"Far from being the ultimate weapon against child abuse, it now will officially censor content deemed too controversial for a 15-year-old. In a free country like ours, do we really need the government to step in and save us from racy web games?"

Senator Conroy's spokesman said the filter would cover "computer games such as web-based flash games and downloadable games, if a complaint is received and the content is determined by ACMA to be Refused Classification". All games that exceed MA15+ are deemed to be RC.

The filtering could also block "the importation of physical copies of computer games sold over the internet which have been classified RC", the spokesman said.

Ron Curry, chief executive of the IEAA, said the move highlighted the "unacceptable situation" of not having an R18+ classification for video games. The industry has been fighting for changes to classification laws for years.


"It's through the introduction of an R18+ classification that adults will have access to age appropriate material and parents will have the full tool kit to understand the suitability of content for their children," he said.


Mark Newton, an ISP engineer and internet filtering critic, said the move to extend the filtering to computer games would place a cloud over online-only games such as World of Warcraft and Second Life, which aren't classified in Australia due to their online nature.

He said the online distribution of such games has historically been exempt from customs controls on RC material because they have only ever covered physical articles.

"That exemption is the only reason why multi-player games with user-generated environments are possible in this country; without it, it'd only take one game user anywhere in the world to produce objectionable content in the game environment to make the Australian Government ban the game for everyone," said Newton.

Nine ISPs are trialling the web censorship plan, which will block all content that has been "refused classification" by ACMA. Results of the trials are due to be published in July.

In Britain, Senator Conroy was nominated for the annual internet villain award "for continuing to promote network-level blocking despite significant national and international opposition", George White, press officer with Britain's Internet Services Providers' Association, said.

"We would be delighted if Mr Conroy wishes to attend the Awards and collect the trophy should he win," Mr White said.

Senator Conroy's spokesman refused to comment on the award.
 
I don't really have a problem with it so long as we're not paying for it like chumps, I mean, if this censorship worries you then you're probably doing something "naughty" on the internet anyway right? Then for me at least, I mostly only ever play racing games, so none of the sites on games and the normal automotive sites I visit would be blocked anyway.....I hope.
 
I mean, if this censorship worries you then you're probably doing something "naughty" on the internet anyway right?
If by naughty you mean an adult trying to get access to a game not approved for those 15 or younger.

Censorship worries me, not because I necessarily want to access to the things deemed illegal right now (although if I were in Australia I would now), but because once a government finds a way to justify censorship like this it is only a matter of time before they find something that is relatively harmless, like videogames, and find an excuse to add it to the list of things.

Then for me at least, I mostly only ever play racing games, so none of the sites on games and the normal automotive sites I visit would be blocked anyway.....I hope.
Remember when GT5 Prologue came out in Japan first and a bunch of people went online to import it? As this currently reads, if those import sites carry any games that are RC in Australia, they will be blocked. The only importing sites available for Australians will be ones that specifically cater to the market and do not carry any RC games. How often do you see any of the gaming industry specifically catering to Australia?

But a further question should be, if a game is not available in Australia yet, or ever, but is not a mature content game, and thus hasn't been rated by the the classification board, is it considered RC? It does not carry an Australia classification, so where in this does it fall. Is there an unclassified clause, or is this blocking any game not given a rating?

So does the government have to rate every game that is Japan only? Do they even rate any form of Flash-based game?
 
Welcome to Australian law, it starts low key but spreads like a cancer, none of these "rights" talks like in the US. Our rights are given to us as the government pleases, very little opposition.
 
Welcome to Australian law, it starts low key but spreads like a cancer, none of these "rights" talks like in the US. Our rights are given to us as the government pleases, very little opposition.

that's what you get when the government follows the ideas of monarchy..
 
My opinion of Australia has been dwindling with each of these sorts of laws. This one is a big step down - to even be proposed. I just don't understand how this sort of thing is happening there. Doesn't this go against everything that Australians are about?
 
I don't really have a problem with it so long as we're not paying for it like chumps, I mean, if this censorship worries you then you're probably doing something "naughty" on the internet anyway right? Then for me at least, I mostly only ever play racing games, so none of the sites on games and the normal automotive sites I visit would be blocked anyway.....I hope.

Oh well if it doesn't effect you THEN IT MUST BE OK...Jeezzz


It's annoying to me because I import things from sites like Play-Asia that we are unable to get here, such as different Coloured controllers and Asia exclusive games. I know heaps of people who do this as well.

All they need to do is implement an R18 rating for games. It's honestly bewildering why the Australian Government would go to all this trouble, and all this taxpayer money, by employing people to seek out content and process content reported to be above the MA15+ rating is absolute insanity.

If the Government did the following steps:
  • Implement an R18+ Rating
  • Made the price of games consistant with the rest of the world. (I can import new Release games from overseas for $65AUD, or in the shops here for $120...hmmm)
  • Actually enforce the law when it comes to selling games over the counter. (When I went to the GTA4 launch at least 10% of the people there were about 12)
  • Realise the fact that every other medium has a rating above MA15+

Then it would make a lot more sense, and the country would gain money from game sales which at the moment are being lost by many gamers buying products overseas. What also doesn't make sense is that no mass-market game has content which is any worse then any of the gore/violent/hate/porn movies I can go out right now and buy, so why single out games, and again from an economic stand-point, it's just blocking out another (huge) revenue stream.
 
So if I imported an R18+ game off the internet and had it imported, would it be up to the Australian government to source the censored version and send it to the same address? I have the oversees GTA4. Half the reason I bought it from oversees is because it's the full version - I didn't want GTA three and a half - I wanted 4. The other half of the reason that I bought it oversees is that it cost me AU$65 AFTER shipping - and this was at a time when the Australian shops were trying to sell it for AU$120.
If a censored one rocked up to my place with a kind note from the government saying they had to take my full version, I wouldn't have really botherd because I still got almost half price off the game.

I s'pose why people are getting antsey about this is that we are supposed to be living in a modern, free country. The government has no reason to censor our internet. I feel it's a bit like kids going to school. We have to cross the road while out parent is holding our hand, while other kids the same age and maturity can cross the road all by themselves. It's embarrasing and it really shouldn't happen.
 
So if I imported an R18+ game off the internet and had it imported, would it be up to the Australian government to source the censored version and send it to the same address?
No, you won't even have access to the Web site that you ordered the game from in the first place.

It is the digital equivalent of putting up a roadblock in front of a store.
 
No, you won't even have access to the Web site that you ordered the game from in the first place.

It is the digital equivalent of putting up a roadblock in front of a store.

are they honestly going to block ebay? Because I will riot along with 95% of other Australians
 
Unless it is racial, gang or "save the whales" Australians don't riot, they (we) let the government do whatever they want and always will (until beer and vegemite is banned). Then we are forced to vote for greedy penny pinching political parties.

A few come together but it is never enough, not many people here really believe in freedoms like in the US.
 
alot of people use the internet all the time. I know of many people who's hobbies rely on ebay to prosper, and one or two have make a living out of it.
People I know will protest and riot all day and night if they block ebay.
 
Wow, i never saw this coming. This could be the end of the internet for us Aussies... we are already disadvantaged on internet speed. :(

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I think Kevin Rudd and everyone that voted him should go to hell. :grumpy:

Yeah because it is a lot better when we had Liberals......... get real, they all are as bad as each other.
 
Wow, i never saw this coming. This could be the end of the internet for us Aussies... we are already disadvantaged on internet speed. :(

I think Kevin Rudd and everyone that voted him should go to hell. :grumpy:

Well we voted for him because he was much better than Howard. I still think he's a top prime minister, but this is out of character.

no - I don't think I'll be going to hell, but thanks for the suggestion
 
Oh well if it doesn't effect you THEN IT MUST BE OK...Jeezzz

Another lame attempt to try and insult me. I never said it's OK, I said I don't have a problem with it because it doesn't affect me.:rolleyes: Or in terms you can understand, I couldn't care less even if it is wrong.

PS- I don't download or import games either. When Gran Turismo is no longer sold in Australia, then I'll have a problem.
 
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Not a very well thought out post there is it? I never said it's OK, I said I don't have a problem with it because it doesn't affect me.:rolleyes:

PS- I don't download or import games either. When Gran Turismo is no longer sold in Australia, then I'll have a problem.

Is this because you don't have a paypal account and don't like buying over the internet? G25s not being sold in your local area could be solved by sourcing one from the rest of Australia - for a much better price. PM me if you want further advice ;)

If anyone wants to know my view on all this political kaffufle, read my favourite quote on my profile page:tup:
 
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