Auto is better than manual transmission

[X-Power]

so by saying that, does it means that the so called auto will be faster on straight line speed towards the finishing line from starting grid a to b ?

No. The auto will shift at a lower RPM and will lose power, the manual will be faster because the driver can shift at a higher RPM and keep the car in the optimal powerband. The only time that a manual would be slower is if it's being driven badly, a good manual driver will always be faster than an equivalent auto driver.

 

[godzidane]

But looking at the poll it begs to differ lol

99 percent saying manual will be faster on straight line speed to the finish

 

[checkyoursix]

Don't get ahead of yourself! Just because I said the game is shifting the manual in an automatic way doesn't necessarily mean it picks the right gear at the right time! This still needs testing. I will probably check this out tonight. Wish GT5 had a dragstrip.

 

[godzidane]

I have analyzed a red bull x1 on Indy and come out that

The maximum rpm on sixth gear is faster than the seventh gear in every round

On sixth I get around 404 km/h while 399 on seventh

 

[godzidane]

Don't get ahead of yourself! Just because I said the game is shifting the manual in an automatic way doesn't necessarily mean it picks the right gear at the right time! This still needs testing. I will probably check this out tonight. Wish GT5 had a dragstrip.

Why can't the auto they pick the right gear at the right time lol ? To give advantage to the manual ?

If manual you can get high maximum rpm why can't they just sex it up for auto transmission ? They trying to simulate the real world right ?

 

[berzerkfvry]

Rather silly question really, I use automatic configuration but even I know manual configuration is faster...

 

[VTiRoj]

Manual will always be faster than auto, the only thing that makes auto faster in any situation, is a poor manual driver.

Manual allows you to shift at the optimum RPM, not all the way to the redline like auto does. Also auto makes you take corners at the wrong gear half the time.

 

[c7mpr]

This is really very simple, the auto mode IS slower than the manual in a straight line.

If you doubt this go to one of the straight line licence tests and run it in auto. Then do the same with manual, if you shift up just before the rev limiter (not the redline) and you get the launch right (crucial and much more difficult to do than just slamming your foot to the floor in auto) you will leave the auto ghost car for dead.

This is not debatable it is fact.

 

[daan]

In a Strait line, it will either be a tie, or the automatic winning, assuming perfectly lined up starts, and launches.

The game really doesn't have an "automatic" transmission, it just has the game auto-shifting a manual transmission for you, and calling it automatic. Thus, Neither is inferior in terms of clutch spin, or torque loss. The only advantage a manual has over automatic is your able to control what gear your in yourself.

No, it won't. In certain cars, mostly mildly turbocharged cars with a load of torque, the game will shift too late and you'll be slower than someone in a manual shifting early. Try it in a WRC C4 or Focus. Do two runs from a standing start, one run shifting at the redline like the automatic would, the other shifting a thousand revs earlier which the manual gives you control to. Which is faster?

 

[PawnBoy]

It really depends on what you're talking about.

When choosing auto over manual transmission option in driving settings, the only thing the game does for you is "press the shifting button" by using some predefined rules. Any delay built into shifting manually will still be there. The benefits of this is that you don't need to pay attention to it. Downsides are that it may shift unnecessarily, or at an inconvenient or non-optimal time (depending on the rules the game has for when to shift automatically).
Using the manual transmission driving option has the benefit of never shifting when you don't want to, and shifting exactly at the rpms you do. The downsides are that it's prone to user error, especially if they're inexperienced. It also will have the same delay between shifts that using the automatic option would, so if you shift at the exact same times as the auto option you would, in theory, get the exact same results. Using the manual transmission driving option on a standard transmission car and using a wheel with an H-pattern shifter and clutch it's possible to can eliminate some of the delay the game builds into the "button-press" shifting. This might yield a shift a few milliseconds faster, but it's also even more complicated and prone to error. Some games in the past have given inherent speed bonuses to manually driven cars, but I don't think that's the case with gt5.

If you're talking about whether an ingame car with a double clutch transmission will shift faster than a sequential shift transmission or H pattern transmission...then you're right. The game simulates very small shift delays for double clutch transmissions, and slightly longer delays for sequential shifts, and again longer for full H pattern shifts (though the delays can be reduced with some drivetrain tuning). But those delays are the same no matter which transmission driving option you use.

 

[nissman]

I have analyzed a red bull x1 on Indy and come out that

The maximum rpm on sixth gear is faster than the seventh gear in every round

On sixth I get around 404 km/h while 399 on seventh

First off all try testing a slower car, not the X1.

Second of all you dont gain time in a straight line, you gain time in the corners.

Fot instance I drive with Super GT cars a lot and I tune my gearbox in a way that I go in 3rd gear in all slow corners and hairpins. You can not do that in any way with auto becouse the auto will always put it down to 2nd gear in slow corners. This means you are loosing a lot of time like this.
Grand Valley track is a good example for this, has a tight hairpin and a few slow (2nd gear auto) corners.
My best with the Motul Autech GTR (532 hp)in G valley is 1.51.9xx. Try it with auto and let me know about your laptimes.

 

[c7mpr]

Daan is also spot on the money regarding some turbo cars (particularly the newer rally cars) in that shifting before the redline will markedly improve accelleration.

This is due to the way the torque curve of these cars drops at higher revs as these cars are boost pressure limited by FIA dump valves that prevent them making enough boost at higher revs. (a car that requires X litres of air / sec at 6000 revs requires X x 1.3333 air at 8000 revs, everything else being equal) so they need to be kept in the meat of the torque far more so than a high reving normally aspirated engine.

 

[godzidane]

I noticed some vehicles have very high rpm range example 10000 rpm but when I drove another vehicle with same hp but a different and lower rpm let's say 4000 rpm I didn't notice much of a difference in speed and torque the 4000 rpm performs as good as the 10000 rpm if not better so why the super high rpm ?

Shouldn't it be double the performance of the 10000 rpm vehicle compared to the 4000 rpm vehicle ?

Specifically what advantages does it brings or have

Or am i mistaken

 

[godzidane]

Bring on the top gear test track lol

 

[nik99]

I love the manual-automatic argument, it always comes down to this:

If you take 2 cars, exactly the same except on has an automatic transmission and one has a manual transmission and...

1. upgrade the manual transmission to a sports performance 6-speed
2. put the Stig in the car with the manual transmission
3. put my wife's grandmother (who, quite proudly, has never had her car over 60km/h and is completely incapable of locating the 'economy/sports' performance button found in many cars these days)

The manual transmission will win, every time - proving that manual transmissions are superior.

 

[charliec]

I noticed some vehicles have very high rpm range example 10000 rpm but when I drove another vehicle with same hp but a different and lower rpm let's say 4000 rpm I didn't notice much of a difference in speed and torque the 4000 rpm performs as good as the 10000 rpm if not better so why the super high rpm ?

Shouldn't it be double the performance of the 10000 rpm vehicle compared to the 4000 rpm vehicle ?

Specifically what advantages does it brings or have

Or am i mistaken

Honestly, don't concern yourself with that. You're struggling to grasp shifting principles. Just know that RPM is not related to performance. The powerband is what is important.

Auto is for lazy americans who dont know what to use their left leg for

Hey, I'm a 30 year old American and I've never owned an automatic in my life. (Doing everything I can to never own one ever).

 

[gtuned]

Manual. All the Way.
I have a 913HP Silverado Concept that i launch in 2nd gear, and the perfect shift is around 6500. Auto shifts as everyone else says at the redline to avoid engine damage, but in reality gear boxes have a powerband where a faster smoother shift is obtained. Ever feel your car dip it's nose in or stall for a second as you shift ? It's cause you missed the shift, which most autos Do.
I tested my Fully Modded ZR1. From Auto standing start to the first corner in Sarthe, i only got 200. Using Manual I got 220.

 

[godzidane]

Dunno what "ITT" means but
- Tiptronic does not switch gears automatic, its just a) faster to reach than the H-shifter and b) you can control the wheel better with two hands (especially in corners). I dont like tip tronic (cause it has no style, except in ann F1 car), but i can see that very good drivers are faster with it than a usual H-pattern.

To the OP:
Manual is faster, always. You will need to train yourself more than a few days though to get used to it.

Instead of saying "stop trolling" May i ask if you have a driving licence in real life and in which country do you live ?

Yes having driving license and am from Malaysia

 

[charliec]

ITT: A bunch of angry manual drivers IRL that can't deal with the fact that tiptronic replaces their bragging rights, because you control shifting AND it's faster than you could ever shift. Ohohohoho. This is why all of the supercars still use a straight-forward gearbox right? Oh, they don't. Ferrari/Audi/BMW/etc. are all switching over for a reason.

Honestly, manually shifted gearboxes can still provide a better driving experience than manumatics. Faster shifting it may be, manumatic still takes away some of the pleasure of having total control over a vehicle.

They all introduced traction control too. Doesn't make the drive better. Just keeps people from having to know how to use their right foot.

 

[Leicht]

are you comparing DCT/manumatic with an ordinary manual transmission? or comparing how in GT5, the auto mode lets you shift faster than manual mode?

 

[Leicht]

shifting the gears manually is certainly better than auto-shifting especially in rainy condition and around the corners

 

[dj_spirit]

In GT4 I used to be able to hold one of the buttons (I can't remember which one) and under acceleration, it would hold that gear, passed the usual change point, until I let go of the button. This gave me all the benefits of a manual with better acceleration, but the ease of use of an automatic by changing down the gears under braking. This was using a Driving Force Pro wheel.

I can't seem to replicate that behaviour in GT5.

If I could, I would prefer to use Automatic as overall I find it easier to get on with, mainly when slowing down as my brain tends to concentrate on the steering and braking and I end up messing up the gear selection when changing down by not always getting the best gear or by missing the first change when accelerating out of the corner.

My opinion is that Manual will always be the quickest, if you can train your brain and body to use it properly.

 

[axletramp]

I used to be a hardened AT user up until GT3. I then realised that to get anywhere in the online challenges I'd have to learn how to use the MT (I'm a DS3 user). It does take a lot of getting used to as all of a sudden you can't concentrate solely on a good line and brake point - a bit like rubbing your stomach and patting your head! But with practice it becomes second nature and you will be faster and have more control.

If I remember correctly you used to be able to hold a gear in GT3 (not sure about GT4) by using the AT and holding down the 'up' shoulder button when you needed to. That used to help in situations where, for example, holding it in second gear through a corner was better than changing to third (like the AT would do) and potentially bogging down. Kind of like a manual AT. I don't thnk you can do it in GT5... I'll have to check.

EDIT: Dammit dj_spirit, just beat me to it!!!! haha.

 

[Andy89]

Auto is easier than Manual Transmission, but better it is not.

To me, manual is actually easier than auto. That's because I'm used to it. Sometimes, playing with a friend of mine at my home, I mistakenly choose automatic, and I felt strange driving this way, and I was hitting the paddles even if it was automatic.

 

[F1Addict]

Manual. Anyone who says auto is an idiot.

 

[HN7]

I can't believe there are 7 persons who think Auto>Manual

Here's something to think about: Why do dragster and funny car use manual and not auto? They drag race and they want to go faster right?

 

[checkyoursix]

Manual. Anyone who says auto is an idiot.

Right. In real life. But in GT5 automatic does not equal automatic. So it isn't so simple as that.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

Poor choice of thread title. It's straight forward fact that manual is faster, any of the sprint/brake license tests will show the manual as being faster.

The thread should have been 'What are you faster with, Auto or Manual?' because anyone who is faster on auto is just down to a lack of practice with manual.

 

[shirakawaa]

Many cars (for example Autozam AZ-1) benefit greatly from changing gears much before than at redline like the GT5 AT option does. Besides, shifting gears at redline like is almost never the optimal thing to do to maximize acceleration.

 

[nissman]

Many cars (for example Autozam AZ-1) benefit greatly from changing gears much before than at redline like the GT5 AT option does. Besides, shifting gears at redline like is almost never the optimal thing to do to maximize acceleration.

True, but you cant say that auto makes optimal gear changes in GT5.