Automatic or Standard

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Originally posted by Acidman
well actually i'm from Canada, and yeah we do have driver traning in an automatic ;)
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We get to choose which transmission we learn in here.

And I stalled that Toyota Sprinter because I'm used to my dads dungah B2000, which you can let the clutch out at idle and you'd be off rollin.

Those crappy little Toyotas, you have to give it the loud pedal before you let the clutch out. It is nice revving it though. I got it to 5grand before the instructor told me to change.
 
5,000 rpm in anything is astounding when considering he had a driving instructor with him - ass.
 
Josh..Not really....5000 in anything isn't astounding guy....a Honda beat has to be revved to 3500 just to move with over a 200 lb load in the car...And in a honda Civic VX it's almost nessicary to go to 5 grand in first and second gear..or else the car would stall due to the gearing and lack of power
 
Okay, then if he were driving a Honda beat, or Civic VX, it wouldn't be astounding. Maybe it's just impressive to me because I know damn well if I would have revved my driving instructor's car past 3,000 he would've been *****ing like there was no tomorrow.:lol:
 
The 323 is an Auto...it's my dad's though so I don't care. And as a Mazda from the late '80s, it shifts into 2nd pretty damn hard(on the 1st trans(it's on its 2nd cause driving it with 4 people and a roof top carrier to Tenn. in the mountains in 1994 really hurt it, and reverse was slipping) you could almost get a shift skid out of it, though I'm sure it wasn't happy about it), and in wet weather you can get a 2nd gear skid going well.

I prefer Manual, simply because it makes the driver one with the car a lot better than an auto. Also there's improved performance and gas mileage. The only thing is that if you don't know how to do it you can screw it up, and it can be a distraction. I personally have never attempted to drive a stick because the sticks in my family are my dad's and my bros, and they won't let me try on thier cars. :) I should just go out and drive the RX-7, but it'll be the end of me when my dad finds out.

And my bike is a 21speed, and I love shifting it. They make this stupid "automatic trasmission" bike that uses centrifical force to shift the back derailer and they claim that you never ever have to shift. Then later on they go and say "there's even a high-low mode for hills and easy riding" and they show it and it's a grip shift. And the bike is only a 14 speed. Peice of junk.

Ohh, and we now have a 50CC Honda Trail minibike from my dad's boss. My dad's fixing it, and I rode it. It's a 3 speed foot shift, no clutch. Pretty fun. I should try a neutral drop but it'll probably flip. I have tried going flat out from 1st to 2nd and it kicks hard. the 1st time I rode it I crashed into the back bumper of the 323 at 1mph cause the damn thing wouldn't go into neutral. No damage, ofcourse. :)
 
Originally posted by Gil
I saw a bright yellow one at church today. Quite a nice ride.
My wife really wants an auto because the kids, who have the coordination to juggle a soccer ball for 100 touches, without it hitting the ground, can't seem to figure out how to modulate clutch and gas.
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:lol: I couldn't figure out how to use a manual until my parents refused to let me keep driving the auto. "If you want a car, you'll take your dad's (manual) Camry." I learned quickly after that.

Like I want them driving my car.:irked:
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:lol:

Perfect positioning of the 'irked' smiley.
 
Originally posted by advanR
when do you lock the brakes of your car? do you break that hard daily? or do you not have abs? you are have me baffled.

I usually just pull my car out of gear when stopping for a light because if i downshift and blip every gear i look like a dumbass ricer. im not going to be locking my brakes stopping for a light, sorry. Id rather replace my brake pads than my clutch.
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I don't lock the brakes of my car, because I drive properly. I don't have ABS because my car is too cheap to have it, but then I've never needed it (so far).

Simple fact is, with the drive disengaged from the wheels whilst braking, you run the risk of locking your brakes. You should brake in gear and press the clutch down almost as you reach standstill (note that this is still a single depression of the clutch). I have no idea why you would change down and "blip" the throttle in-gear if you're trying to stop...

Leaving the engine out of gear at any time other than dead stop will fail your driving test.
 
Famine you are wrong. If, say, you are in 2nd gear, getting ready to stop. You downshift to first. The engine will assist in brakeing the car, and there is a slightly increased risk of locking up. With the drive disengaged, as you say, by the cluch being pushed in, you are basically free rolling. Now if you are a normal driver, you shouldn't lock up while braking at any time, unless in adverse weather conditions. In normal conditions, drivetrain disengaged or not, you will not lock up unless you are about to crash, and in that situation, it doesn't really matter if you have the clutch pushed in or not.

In an automatic, there's always some power going to the wheels. Come to a stop, and let off the brakes, you'll move forward(unless in reverse, ofcourse). I guess you could argue that in an auto you need more braking cause the engine is working against you(moreso at lower speeds). Either way, it's not a factor to worry about, ever.
 
Try it.

Find a nice big empty place first (not that you wouldn't... :D) and a car without ABS.

Simulate an emergency stop from, say, 50mph. Try it first in-gear (probably 5th). Then the second time slam the clutch straight in before you stamp on the brakes.

The first time you will slow down, maybe with a bit of chatter as you reach the lower speeds. The second time - unless you cadence brake, or have ABS - those front wheels will lock up like nothing you've ever seen.

This is why free-wheeling is an INSTANT fail in the UK driving test.
 
Well, that's for the UK test then. The US test...they really don't care as long as you go by the laws and don't do something stupid.
 
Not many people passing the US test then? :D

That's not an anti-US comment either... The number of idiotic drivers in the UK is fairly vast. The problem over here is that they teach you to pass a test, not how to drive. Like when you said "normal driver"... Pffft. Over here you could throw a 200 mile wide coin and only touch three or four "normal" drivers...

BTW - your opinion is required in the Mazda forum... :D
 
Originally posted by MazKid
Well, that's for the UK test then. The US test...they really don't care as long as you go by the laws and don't do something stupid.
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That's probably why we have so many horrible drivers on the road.
 
As one of the commentators on the Speed channel said not long ago, "Henry Ford's only problem was in allowing the Model T to be availible to everyone, regardless of driving ability"(something to that effect).

In the US, people think that it's thier right to drive. In some states, driving age starts(on a permit) at 14 years old. Personally, I feel that allowing kids to drive earlier is a good thing because there's experience. In St.Louis, you have to be on a permit for 6 months before you can get a license, and drive for 20 hrs(your parent's are supposed to say if you did or not, but I'm damn sure that no one goes to get thier kid a license and says "I'm sorry Billy, you only have 19hrs. We will have to come back"). The main problem is that a lot of kids are really dumb, go to drinking and drug parties, and then kill themselfs, which makes the good, responsible drivers suffer because now every teen is stereo typed as an idiot driver that's gonna crash. Insurence rates for teens are excessive, and go up with the more fatal wrecks.
 
Insurance is lowered if you can maintain a B average in school, so I will get a discount on my insurance. I think the main problem is that most teens drive too fast and then they lose control of their car. Both reasons contribute to why teens, including me,are stereo-typed:irked:
 
Grades have nothing to do with what kind of driver you are. That's one of the stupidest things i've ever seen, I guess that's why it's a rule of an insurance company.

The thing is, there are a lot of ignorant people out there, especially when it comes to cars. There are a lot of stupid people too, it isn't that most teens drive too fast, most inexperienced drivers don't know how to handle a car. I know I wouldn't be able to handle a POS civic doing 130lmh on a surface street running red lights and acting like an ass. Fortunately that isn't my driving style, including the civic and the 130kmh.
 
I drive fast in the 323 but never have I lost control or even skidded or anything. I think that a lot of the problems with teen drivers(excluding me) is that they listen to loud music(not LoudMusic!), drive around with friends, and use thier cell phones while driving. I cut all that out. I do listen to the radio, but never loud, and I don't go joy riding with friends, and I don't even own a cell phone.

And I do agree that there's lots of teens who don't know proper ways to control thier cars. I see it all the time, from this girl pulling out of school and over turning and slamming the curb to idiots racing and not seeing that stopped car waiting to turn into school(several months ago this moron in a Cavalier doing over 40mph racing someone slammed into the back of an older accord).

Sorry to go off topic...
 
Out here in Arizona I have to worry about the illegal aliens who drive without registration or insurance or liscence..So if they hit me or vice versa..I'm out of luck....And they just run off and buy a new car
 
i have driven cars without abs. i know how to handle a lockup. every other argument i had i think was covered by mazkid, thanks.

imo abs isnt a problem, except for the extra weight in the car it causes. just simply dont get into the abs, then there is no problem. my m3 is one hardcore tack car, and the abs isnt a problem at all. with my macho gforce kd tires, i can really hammer the brakes without abs interfering. i can do so sharply enough to even get the tires screeching a bit. i dont feel the abs, so perhaps it is like famine says, because the car is in gear lockup is prevented from happening long enough for abs to come in. if the abs ever does come in though, the car stops much slower, to solve this just dont get into it. with some practice its no problem.

also, one of my instructors for drivers ed had a transam firehawk. i have no ****ing idea why. but let me tell you, it was fun scaring the **** out of her. i dont know the specs of it, but it had to have had atleast 300hp.
 
My Accord had ABS...And I've never been more scared in a car in my life...They say ABS doesn't increase stopping distace..It's Bull schiet..And it's big perk is.."You can still steer"..If you're a good driver you can steer when you've locked your wheels....I was in the accord..Going about 60...And I had to slam on the brakes..And my car fish-tailed for about 700 feet with no help from the steering wheel
 
Yeah, **** ABS. Who likes being in control of their vehicles in emergency situations anyways? I know I don't.

Your car slid like 233 yards, and you were only going 60mph? Your ABS must not have been working, and your tires must have been made from ice.:odd:
 
No it was working.....and the brake wasn't down the entire length of the skid..Because if it would have been I would have ended up hitting a pole...I slammed on the brake..And the car began fishtailing..come the 2nd swing I let off the brake and the car continued swaying untill I corrected it..Not the brakes..Not the Variable steering system...Me..And second....It's not much of control..And it DOES increase your stopping distance......Braking in a non ABS Car to the point right before your wheels would lock have been tested to stop quite a bit quicker than any ABS System so far
 
So you have never driven in bad conditions?

In here a driver must pass 2-phased driving license tests to get a final driving license. Those test includes 2 times on a slippery surface track. There you really see the difference between a car with ABS and a car without.

In my first time I was on the track with a car without ABS and on 2nd time with a which has ABS.
It was a lot easier to handle the car with ABS in those conditions. No pumping the the brake or anything.

And at winter no matter what you do you can't help locking the brakes once in a while in a car without ABS.
 
First off...You don't have to pump the brake...second, why on hell would you lock them up in the first place unless you were completly new to the car and had no idea what the idea of peak breaking is...and about that "at winter" thing..I live in Phx Arizona..Our winter is 80 degrees........
 

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