Automatic or Standard
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well the cerbera i got now doesn't have ABS but i sure wish it did. there has been a few times when my car has locked up in the wet and i can tell you its not a nice experience, where as my BMW's that i had before with ABS would of stopped on a penny without any trouble. so i definetly prefer ABS from a safety point of view
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Shinez if you just slammed on the brakes and kept them on you would have been fine, but no, you let off causing radical wieght distribution and you weren't ready for it. Don't blame ABS for that...
Of our cars, the 2 Probes, the MX-6, and the MPV(it has RABS, Rear Anti-lock Brakeing System, the front has so much weight under braking that it's really not necessary...)have ABS, and driving my dad's Probe to Chicago in near whiteout conditions, we used it too many times. And we were thinking of letting me drive up there in the 323, which doesn't have ABS(though the brakes are great till they lock, and the car is so light that you can stop very quick, though that wouldn't help on snow and ice...).
Of our cars, the 2 Probes, the MX-6, and the MPV(it has RABS, Rear Anti-lock Brakeing System, the front has so much weight under braking that it's really not necessary...)have ABS, and driving my dad's Probe to Chicago in near whiteout conditions, we used it too many times. And we were thinking of letting me drive up there in the 323, which doesn't have ABS(though the brakes are great till they lock, and the car is so light that you can stop very quick, though that wouldn't help on snow and ice...).
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Hehehe... I always obey the number 1 rule of safe driving in snow... "Don't" 
Mind you in my home town - a normal, northern hemisphere, winter in December, summer in July place - we got 6 FEET of snow on August 17th 3 or 4 years ago...
Mind you in my home town - a normal, northern hemisphere, winter in December, summer in July place - we got 6 FEET of snow on August 17th 3 or 4 years ago...
advanR
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i think i mentioned that in my first post also. but i dont believe that is what you meant before. sure it will add maybe 15lb to the weight of the car, but that isnt noticeable at all. and i dont think the 3/16ths of an inch that the stopping distance from 60 is increased by is what you were talking about.
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I got in an argument with my friend about automatic and manual transmission a couple nights ago. He said a manual transmission car would go faster than an automatic. Is that true? If so, how?
How would having a manual be better then an automatic in a racing situation? Wouldn't it really only help during turns, because you can control when you shift in and out of gears?
How would having a manual be better then an automatic in a racing situation? Wouldn't it really only help during turns, because you can control when you shift in and out of gears?
advanR
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manual models of the same car are usually faster because the automatic might only have 4 gears, the manual has 5. Maybe the ratios of the manual are more aggresive. an automatic transmission will also add more weight to the car.
other than that i think it depends on how quick the shifts take. i think in older cars autos are way slower, but maybe in newer cars they are quicker than a stick.
other than that i think it depends on how quick the shifts take. i think in older cars autos are way slower, but maybe in newer cars they are quicker than a stick.
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If you take a automatic 5 speed car against the manual 5 speed car, the manual is faster because the automatic trans weights a lot more than the manual. Also with manuals you can go into the redline, and you can do a hard shift where you rev up during the shift which will give you kick into the next gear. With an auto you can also cause damage if you are racing flat out around corners because if you get the inside tire skidding it'll shift(if it's a lot of wheel spin) and then when the car levels out it'll downshift. Do that enough constently and you can overheat the transmission. We did that in our MPV while going flat out after someone cut us off on our way to vacation in Ohio. We topped out at about 102mph in a '92 MPV with 4 people, our luggage, and a rooftop carrier, during about 3 miles of flat out driving. The trans got hot and started forcing oil out of the transmission vents and we had to pull over and let it cool off and clean up the mess. No damage done, but if you do it enough you can kill it.
advanR
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i am guessing he is thinking on the same line as me. if the wheel was straight, braking alone wouldnt cause a problem. braking would only cause the weight to shift forward, if the wheel is straight this is no problem at all.
if you did everything correct as a driver, then the braking system must have been really ****ed up. i am trying to think of a mechanical situation that could cause that outcome. maybe like the front right and left rear brakes were the only ones working, haha. i dont know how abs could cause this.
if you did everything correct as a driver, then the braking system must have been really ****ed up. i am trying to think of a mechanical situation that could cause that outcome. maybe like the front right and left rear brakes were the only ones working, haha. i dont know how abs could cause this.
advanR
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just caught this while goung back to check what this whole argument is about. how does this work? if a wheel is locked its locked, all of the driver skill in the world can not help a wheel that is not turning, steer a car.
about the other shiet, i dont know the kind of person you are, but based on what youve said id probably agree with cobraboys comment. sorry, not enough info to lead me to believe you are an expert at car control.
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firstly, for driving in traffic, automatic rules. u can really relax. as for driving fun, manual wins hands down. its like holding two reigns on a horse/kite rather than just one. u can really get the car to do what you want and its much more rewarding.
not really, learning to use the clutch properly took me a while. it is the hardest thing to learn about driving a car. if it keep stalling just depress the accelerator a little to rev up the engine more whilst u move off. the car will move off "slightly" quicker but not much and you wont stall.Originally posted by Acidman
also i have a question for you experienced standard driver's out there, i still stall it sometimes when coming out of a complete stop, the way i come out of a complete stop from a stop sign is i let up on the clutch until the car starts to move slightly forward, then i press on the gas while continuing to let up on the clutch, but sometimes when i let up on the clutch and don't press the gas fast enough, it ends up in a stall, is there any other eaiser way to start out from a complete stop? any help is appreciated
ummm no, it takes more than a day. probably at least 2 or 3 months to get it down properly.Originally posted by Acidman
Oh trust me it's a hell of a lot of fun, you can learn to drive a manual/standard in less than a day
what do you mean by that advan? If you mean blipping the engine whilst in neutral while u downshift thats the best thing you can do. since you are matching the speed of the transmission to the cars speed, you are saving on the synchromesh having to do the work. plus the down shift is smoother and there is no weight shifting (valuable when racing). if u mean changing from 4 to 3 to 2 to 1 when stopping from 4th, then yes that is lame
oh yeah! most deff...
and yes indeed. when ur driving at rush hour (morning or evening) u encounter the most intelligent drivers (people who work + have cars) and they generally tend to be more courteous and thoughtfull but sometimes i am amazed as to how someone hasn't killed themselves yet...
im afraid you can't. i have had experience with ABS on ice, and its very disconcerting: u hit the brakes and ur car doesn't stop. but if u've locked ur wheels there is little you can do to affect the direction of travel. best solution is to open the door and vacate your car asap
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2-3 months?! What?! I learned how to drive a manual in my 6 speed Z28 I had at the time in less than 25 minutes in a parking lot. Stalled it twice, and haven't stalled one since. If it takes someone 2-3 months they're either very slow learners, or have really bad teachers.
advanR
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Originally posted by Nightmage82
what do you mean by that advan? If you mean blipping the engine whilst in neutral while u downshift thats the best thing you can do. since you are matching the speed of the transmission to the cars speed, you are saving on the synchromesh having to do the work. plus the down shift is smoother and there is no weight shifting (valuable when racing). if u mean changing from 4 to 3 to 2 to 1 when stopping from 4th, then yes that is lame
yes double clutch downshifting is the best for your car. even though my car has syncros i do it whenever i downshift becasue i have gotten so used to it.
i was basically saying what you described at the end of your post. downshifting every gear is pointless when you are about to stop. as i said before, i would rather replace brake pads than a clutch.
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indeed, or a synchro. i do it not because my car is high performance or i've ever been on a proper track but because it is old and i can feel they are very worn. sometimes u try to change and u feel the car isn't happy with it, u slot it back into neutral, blip it, wait for the revs to hit the right speed and then slot it in.
u know i had a conversation about what u described with a m8. i had been driving for about a year by this point and he had done 3-4 months and he was trying to convince me that changing into every gear before you stop is the RIGHT thing to do heh heh.
though my car doesn't even have a rev meter!
have to do everything by feel and by ear heh.- 288
I learned how to drive a stick in less than an hour... when I was 10.
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hey famine, i almost always brake in neutral, i find its kinder to my gearbox, im very sure you are right that it stops you locking up, but i know my car very well so i know exactly at what point its going to start locking. however on ice and snow or in heavy rain i most definitely brake with gear on.
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as for the people who are claiming they mastered the art of gearing within a few seconds of getting behind the wheel, you must be extremely talented. yes i was able to move off on my 3rd or 4th attempt without stalling, and could almost confidently start each time after 30 minutes but to be 100% confident in gears and know exactly how to respond to your engine's needs so that you dont cause undue wear takes a little longer.
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As with all good things, simple to pick up, difficult to master. I've been driving, what, 9 years now (8 as a "not-learner") and I don't claim to have mastered it yet. My feel-free 'box on my PoS still allows me to eat cogs in 3rd sometimes.
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I know what double clutching is, and I use it sometimes when I want the ride to be a little smoother, or when Im downshifting to 'pass' someone, but why do they say in FaF that you should double clutch when going UP the gears? My definition of double clutching may be wrong, but Ive always thought that its another term for heel toeing...i could be wrong tho.
