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Best American Car (Final Voting for SWE/AUS)
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I second that motion. It truly is a superb machine (my 2nd favorite supercar) breaking from the ordininary supercar (would that be an oxymoron?) formula, being based off an old race car, staying true to the original design, while still giving it a modern look and feel.
Damn, this is going to be one tough poll, I just know it...
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- that was the first chassis. The first road car didn't appear until 1968, by which point the rear had been redesigned into something very similar in overall shape to the Miura.Though I'll happily accept that premium piece of ownage, in that much of the rest of the car predates the Miura.
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ever notice how defensive you are? (i generally mean americans here, but for the sake of not painting everyone with the same brush i'll stick to you.) ever wonder why? you keep telling yourselves youre the best thing since cubed sugar and when the truth hits you you dont know how to handle it. well, grow up. truth doesnt taste so bad.
theres plenty of cars in american car folklore that were "great" cars. but look under the skin a little and most of them were cheaply made. get this frame, get that engine, put new body work, call it a whole new model. ford mustang. ford explorer, chevy impala, the list is endless. this is how cars are made for decades. the mustang just got replaced recently, and was based on a frame from a 78 fairlane or something. hell, the ford ranger is still on sale. since 93 withotu a major revision or update. and thats typical. there are few ground up new cars in american history. and this is really the downfall IMO.
corvair was ground up. focus too. C5 vette. GMT800 trucks. and a few more. more recently theres been a lot more models. but thats because the big two and half have been getting thier ass handed to them by superior product from the imports.
lets give an example here. did ford really think the ford windstar through when chrysler held 60% of the market? or GM and their dustbuster vans? even more recent ones? honda had a mistep with thier first gen odyssey and came out swinging with the second. same with toyota who first brought an asian market mid engined box/ panel van, then the previa, then and small first gen sienna before getting it right. the japanese refine and improve or get out. the americans dress it up and market it afresh. well, the emperor has been caught with his new clothes.
unfortunately the long held corporate culture of short term fat profits has become the achilles heel. just 20 years ago gm had a good 40% of the market. just 10, ford was the most profitable carmaker on the planet before jac nasser was appointed chief. chrysler had a $3billion war chest when they got bought out. yet history will show that the market turned on them. why? because the public was offered a better product.
do you think lexus didnt have a positive impact on toyota sales? taught mercedes a few things too. and mercedes had the market cornered on quality until they arrived. look up the first few JDPower and associates polls and results. you think honda just showed up out of nowhere? you think the bias is for japanese and against american cars?
tell that to isuzu who havent sold a car here in a decade. or to mitsubishi who are thinking of pulling out. perhaps you think the french pulled out of the american market to thumb their noses at us. or maybe vws dwindling sales arent due to the electrical gremlins theyve been seemingly plagued with the last decade or so.
open your eyes, read a little, stop being naive. in this car industry, product sells itself. i know "ford people" and "GM people" who own imports and are waiting for good product from thier respective car companies. but even they see the writing on the wall. whats so special about you?
you will find i think very poorly of mercedes products that were designed and engineered after the debut of lexus. i'll be the first person to tell you not to buy a benz made after 1995.
i think japanese cars are boring and dull appliances for the most part, a few cars aside. (NSX, skyline, 240Z, lancer, 22B, 2000GT etc)
the recent BMWs are an affront to all vision enabled people. an insult to our sense of vision.
so before you get on your high horse, try to see the forest before you ride into a tree. especially one that will back up its talk.
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my includion of the DTS was only meant to be of the latest generation, the RWD model based on the same sigma platform that underpins the CTS and STS. its a really good car. not quite yet up to the standards of the very best, but certainly comparable to the rest.
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if you read carefully, youll notice i really only pointed out that some of the cars really weren't all that. at no point did i say any was an out and out piece of ****. except for the humvee. which is.
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who said rover put out anything great? and did i say anything positive about most citroens and renaults? reacting without comprehension. tsk tsk tsk.
truth isnt hate. and opinion is what these forums are for. if you cant stomachit and you want fanboyism go to a chevy or ford forum for that. here, you get the cold, unvarnished truth.
my includion of the DTS was only meant to be of the latest generation, the RWD model based on the same sigma platform that underpins the CTS and STS. its a really good car. not quite yet up to the standards of the very best, but certainly comparable to the rest.
3 wheel drive
if you read carefully, youll notice i really only pointed out that some of the cars really weren't all that. at no point did i say any was an out and out piece of ****. except for the humvee. which is.
mattthe tuner
who said rover put out anything great? and did i say anything positive about most citroens and renaults? reacting without comprehension. tsk tsk tsk.
truth isnt hate. and opinion is what these forums are for. if you cant stomachit and you want fanboyism go to a chevy or ford forum for that. here, you get the cold, unvarnished truth.
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My Swedish car vote goes to the Volvo p1800, a revolutionary car.
My American nominations go to the Willys MB Jeep (a valuable aid to WWII and a fast way of covering ground as a recon unit) and the Jeep Wrangler (because while its not as cool as the Land Rover Defender and nowhere near as good in mud the Wrangler far outshines the Humvee in situation involving moderately narrow streets, forests, and the need to reverse)
My American nominations go to the Willys MB Jeep (a valuable aid to WWII and a fast way of covering ground as a recon unit) and the Jeep Wrangler (because while its not as cool as the Land Rover Defender and nowhere near as good in mud the Wrangler far outshines the Humvee in situation involving moderately narrow streets, forests, and the need to reverse)
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...take a little bit of Diablo, 8oz of CCX, stir in a touch of Saleen and sprinkle a pinch of Zonda for good measure. 
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according to reviews it can turn corners, thats one hell of an acheivment for an American car, espeicially a supercar.
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...take a little bit of Diablo, 8oz of CCX, stir in a touch of Saleen and sprinkle a pinch of Zonda for good measure.
The best bits of excellent supercars, do you have a problem with this?
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I'll have to nominate the Mustang as well. Still the best-selling car in its first year of production. Imagine that, no other car has been able to beat that since 1964.
The Model T should also be included in the voting. Ford produced more than 15 million of them and it was probably the first mass-produced car available for everyone.
The Model T should also be included in the voting. Ford produced more than 15 million of them and it was probably the first mass-produced car available for everyone.
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And if there never was such an outright biased statement of European sentamentalism. Though I guess you're right, because everyone knows how amazing that European cars handle when compared to their American brethren. They are all always so nuetral handling, well put together and brilliant pieces of machinery. All the exact opposite of American cars.
Well, the second.Diego440
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Sorry, it's just the overall tone made it sound like an all-out bash. There are a few cars on which I can see where you are coming from, though.
I will have to disagree with you on the HUMVEE, however:
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Exactly. It wasn't intended to become the posermobile it is nowadays. It was designed to be the next off-road jack-of-all-trades to replace the Jeep. It is a wonderful military vehicle, it can do just about any job assined from armed escort to abulance. Give it two snorkels, and it can go through 5 feet of water. It is one of the most capable 4x4 ever made by anyone, and unmodified can go through things most jacked up trucks can't. Sure it's heavy maintance, but most military equipment is, especially stuff that takes the abuse the HUMVEE is designed for. The Hummer only came to be because of big, rich celebrites who wanted to look tough while they drove around. This in turn, made it popular with the general public, which would eventually lead to the bastardizations that became the H2 & H3, which are some of the largest piles of gas-guzzling, look-at-me crap ever produced by any American car company. Just remember, the HUMVEE was nominated, not the Hummer, and it was nominated for it's value in recent military history.
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FORD MODEL T
Automobiles are for the rich only? Not so, thought Henry Ford. He made cars so cheap that his employees could easily afford them, and they were the first mass produced cars ever. Soon, America and the world became infested with the automobiles, and we owe our car based society to the Model T.
Plus, they went places that some hummer owners wouldn't think about going.
Sure they were slow and somewhat anemic, but they were in production for 19 years, and many are still around. From 1908 to 1927, over 15 million were built.
Automobiles are for the rich only? Not so, thought Henry Ford. He made cars so cheap that his employees could easily afford them, and they were the first mass produced cars ever. Soon, America and the world became infested with the automobiles, and we owe our car based society to the Model T.
Plus, they went places that some hummer owners wouldn't think about going.
Sure they were slow and somewhat anemic, but they were in production for 19 years, and many are still around. From 1908 to 1927, over 15 million were built.
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neanderthal: Just to let you know, the current DTS shares very little with the CTS and STS, thus they do not share the same chassis. The Cadillac DTS rides on the same chassis as the Buick Lucerne, the same FWD chassis that the old model was based uppon (aka the K-chassis)...
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I'm torn between the Olds' Rocket 88 and the Model T. One re-invigorated the post-war auto industry (indirectly, but it did), the other practically invented all modern auto industry.
Heck, I'm so annoyingly nostalgic: Ford Model T.
Heck, I'm so annoyingly nostalgic: Ford Model T.
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