Best Rally car for Special Condition?

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I use the SUBARU IMPREZA Rally Car '01 that you win @ Chamoni.
Its a fine car with great handling and brakes and has not to much power so also exellent suitable for snow race's.
You can upgrade your turbo for the race @ Tsukuba Circuit Hard,and with standart (tuning) settings you should make allmost all stage's with it,or only with a extra turbo upgrade.(+/-400PK)
And i think the rally stages in GT4 is super.
I have driven allmost all the Colin McRae rally's (from CMR1 till 2003 and 2005,no 2004 becouse 2003 and 2004 was a joke) and i think GT4 is really realistic compared with CMR. 👍
 
Well after my slagging off of the rallying stages, I have battled on some more.

I have golds for all of the easy stages, and golds in normal and hard for all the track & wet races. These are the only ones worth driving tbh. I'll work on Swiss Alps and Tahiti next, as these are generally a bit better, but still no where near as much fun.

Not wishing to quit so soon, I've been thinking about this some more. I think I'm having two major problems.
1. Because I don't want to drift like you would in a decent rally game, because I risk getting that stupid penalty thing, I'm trying to drive round the corners without sliding at all. This is causing me to slow down more than I should be. And in turn is allowing the opporent to easily get past me.

2. Normally I'm using older and small (shorter wheelbased) cars. Like the RS200, or Peugeot's 205's. I've had some better luck with the longer/newer Impreza's, as I think these cars are less "raw". They seem to handle a bit better, and are less twitchy.

I'll battle on some more, and I might try a larger pick up so that I can bash the other car off of the road in anger :D.
 
Ford Escort Rally
Dont reduce weight on it. Do moderate engine upgrade, full tranny, and you should be able to win Gran Canyon - Hard, in addiion to the others.
 
I don't like the ralling in GT4 eiher, mainy because of the penalty, it's the worst possible part of the game to put it in, mission hall okay, thats one thing but on tight twisty tracks where the AI car rams you nearly every time you attempt a pass. No way. It's too sensative at times as well, as for how real the rallying is, I don't like the feel of it, I slow right down and the car just never sops sliding, I've been told it's not very accurate to real life, Richard Burns raly on the other hand is.
 
i have managed to completed all of the rallying except for grand caynon (hard) ice arena (hard) and chaminox (hard).
I used the toyota raid rally car to compete in the gravel and snow events.
I used the polyphony formula one car to win all the road/ wet road events. (it was easy)

As for the three events i haven't won
Grand Caynon seems impossible:P
i just have to win the reverse race for the other two
 
gt4_girl_au
i have managed to completed all of the rallying except for grand caynon (hard) ice arena (hard) and chaminox (hard).
I used the toyota raid rally car to compete in the gravel and snow events.
I used the polyphony formula one car to win all the road/ wet road events. (it was easy)

As for the three events i haven't won
Grand Caynon seems impossible:P
i just have to win the reverse race for the other two
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I still have ice arena and grand canyon on hard too. I REALLY wanted the prize car for Chamonix Hard, so I PLOWED through it with something ridiculously fast (Not sure what it was), so I could make up time that I took very slow around curves to speed up around the straights. It was the sloppiest snow driving ever, but I made it. I still need to do Ice Arena, and Im not looking forward to it. That stupid track kills me.
 
The 5-second penalty does take fun out of rallies. Hell, you HAVE to cheat to win the Tsukuba Wet Hard race. If you have a powerful and capable machine, you need to kill the giant. For some races, you have to get dirty. But only do this when you have to. What pained me about the penalities was that you could only do a slight rub or moderately ram into a wall, and you get the 5 seconds. I've been rammed into from the back and no penalty was handed. But if you just simply T-bone the guy into a turn, you get penalized. Even if you're just trying to overtake, you'll need every oppurtunity to make a pass work in your favor.

The rallying isn't perfect. It isn't a true rally sim like the Colin McRae series or what not, but this brings two things to the GT franchise: (1) diversity in races, and (2) varying challenges. This is the third GT game to feature rally racing. Since Gran Turismo 2, tracks have gone from wide and fast courses to slow and narrow courses. Now sure, not all rally tracks are as wide as most ovals and such, but this stuff is still an interesting challenge for those who want to take part in it. While GT4 rallying is no Colin McRae, at least it's good enough. Good enough even without damage and rollovers.

In the future, I'd like to maybe see many degrees of rally tracks, everything from dense forests, challenging mountain rallies, country roads, villages, everything authentic to rallying, except for whacking animals (Safari Rally).
 
j8mie
Best Rally car for Special Condition? My advise. Don't bother! The drit/gravel/snow tracks are a joke. I've never played a game with such bad physics for rallying. The rest of the game is great and really feels nice. But this is taking the pi$$.

The cars slide far too much through the corners, the tracks are too narrow, so when you do want to slide the back out, you hit the invisible wall. Grand Cranyon has far too many turns to be beliveable or playable. The 5sec penalty thing has to be the biggest joke of the lot. You only have to look funny at the other car and you get one. What a waste of my time. I also love the fact you buy a rally car (not the road version), and it comes with race tyres....lmao....it's a rally car! They are raced on dirt, not race tracks. Tw@ts!

If you want a rally game. Buy Colin McRae on PC. It wipes the floor with this pathetic attempt at rallying. For me this is the biggest let down of the whole game, and drops the games rating from 95% to a lowly 87%.

The worst thing of all, is that it was fine in GTP. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Must try harder next time PD
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I couldn't agree more. Except for one thing - buy Richard Burns on PC. It's even better than Colin McRae. :)
 
I used the Subaru Impreza Touring Car (not the Cusco one).

I maxed the hp.

Raised ride height to max, lowered spring rate to close to minimum but not quite.

Put max drive to front wheels. Brakes 7 front, 11 rear.

Don't be scared to allow the rear end to hit the wall and be prepared for massive understeer on tarmac sections.

Use the car stock on the tarmac only tracks.
 
gumpy
I used the Subaru Impreza Touring Car (not the Cusco one).

I maxed the hp.

Raised ride height to max, lowered spring rate to close to minimum but not quite.

Put max drive to front wheels. Brakes 7 front, 11 rear.

Don't be scared to allow the rear end to hit the wall and be prepared for massive understeer on tarmac sections.

Use the car stock on the tarmac only tracks.
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Interesting. Got to try that. I'm in very deep sheit in those gravel and ice races. I've tried LOTS of different cars but I just can't win. I'm getting pretty damn frustrated here... :guilty: 👎
 
I bought an Impreza '04 Spec C GD from Subaru and added all the parts to it...

But most importantly I added Dirt Tyres, Snow Tyres and Super-soft Racing tyres.

Changed the oil and slipped a wing on the back.

With this car you can win every single race in the special conditions... And I even mean Tsukuba wet Hard... I was against the Minolta 88Vc and was awarded 200 points...

The setup I use is leave all the suspension settings along except Camber and toe...

Front Camber = 3.0 Rear Camber = 1.5
Front Toe = 1 Rear Toe = 1
Brakes = 8 - 8.
Downforce to max.
Aids all off except TCS = 2.

To make the earlier rally races harder (and worth more points) simply remove turbo and exhaust etc... but you'll need everything on for Tsukuba hard.

C.
 
I bought 206 rally car and won all races in special condition hall with it. Plus it was easy to win 206 cup with it :).

For tarmac races I lowered the car (not drop it down full) and a bit hardened suspension, For gravel and snow I left it stock suspension. Didn't even change gearing. I also bought NOS and stage 4 turbo (used it in wet tsukuba hard against 787B and won without any cheating!). Otherwise I did not use NOS at all.

Another suggestion for all - try to drive same racetrack in same direction at once and then go to reverse and then to other. For example - drive 2 laps easy capri, 3 laps medium capri and then 3 laps hard capri. then do capri reversed 2 laps easy then 3 laps medium and then 5 laps hard. And so on for all races. You'll just improve your knowledge of tracks since you'll be doing same laps over and over again. It helped me a bit.
 
Also if you use the subaru touring car it will be quick so at tracks like grand canyon you must use the emergency brake to get around the tight corners. ie turn a little first and then press the e brake.

To those who think the rally physics suck I quite enjoyed the rally section. Hated it to start with because I found it hard but am disappointed that I now only have 1 stage left to finish the lot.

After all it is more for a little variety in the game and I reckon on that basis they have done a good job.
 
i had trouble beating those races too and i went to my garage and got my Skyline R33 and modded it to the max and bought Dirt and Snow tires and I won everything with it. Then do the 2nd last race in Hard, win that and get the Escudo. Then you will be unstoppable!
 
j8mie
Best Rally car for Special Condition? My advise. Don't bother! The drit/gravel/snow tracks are a joke. I've never played a game with such bad physics for rallying. The rest of the game is great and really feels nice. But this is taking the pi$$.

The cars slide far too much through the corners, the tracks are too narrow, so when you do want to slide the back out, you hit the invisible wall. Grand Cranyon has far too many turns to be beliveable or playable. The 5sec penalty thing has to be the biggest joke of the lot. You only have to look funny at the other car and you get one. What a waste of my time. I also love the fact you buy a rally car (not the road version), and it comes with race tyres....lmao....it's a rally car! They are raced on dirt, not race tracks. Tw@ts!

If you want a rally game. Buy Colin McRae on PC. It wipes the floor with this pathetic attempt at rallying. For me this is the biggest let down of the whole game, and drops the games rating from 95% to a lowly 87%.

The worst thing of all, is that it was fine in GTP. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Must try harder next time PD
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I would have to agree with you on this matter, but yet I also agree with others saying it's realistic, the problem is that it's to realistic that the Physics are destroyed by it. There needs to be a balance in games and the rally in GT lacks that. But i have to admit that the rally is the most realistic I have ever driven, besides that STUPID AI (worst I have ever seen) and the 5 second penalty.
 
I hate this freakin rally! you practically have to take corners at 10 mph while the AI just flys through corners! AI is not affected by the slipping and sliding!. I am so p!ssed at rally mode and there are 60 plus races :yuck: handling is BS notice the AI car when it brakes it stops Immediately while you have to brake way before you take a corner..oh well only 9 more races to finish for me :yuck:
 
Yeah! that 5 sec penalty is freaking stupid sometimes!! :grumpy:
But i still say that GT4 rally is really realistic compared with Collin McRea Rally.
Knowing that GT4 doesnt have damage and doesnt have the same track psychics.
If you get of a track with CMR you can slide to a forest or get in to the grass or you slide into a river so you can get ... sec behind if you have that.
So thatswhy GT4 does have that 5 sec penalty,to make it more realistic.
If you havnt got that you would be able to make it easy with 2min ahead or so.
And that is also not realistic,is it?!?!?
And also you would be able to just ram in to a corner and get out of it with the same speed andso!! 👎
And normaly if you have that penalty you doesnt lose that much seconds if you just take the corners with no throttle.
And Adramire you just need to learn more skill man i guess!!
And do you use a rally car or just a modded hatchback or so?
Becouse a rally car has a lot better handling,and brakes are also better.
 
In the past I've liked the Ruf CTR2 and the Nismo 400R for the dirt. I've been looking for something a little different this time through and found a couple worth mentioning. HPA Motorsports in the tuner village has a Golf that's nice and Mitsubishi has the HSR-II Concept. Try these out if you want, they've all been fun.
 
General tip for rallys:
Use a car that's just a little bit faster than the AI, enter the corners slower than you want to, get th car properly lined up with the curve and smoothly accelerate in a nice arc. This is especially important in Grand Canyon race. Tahiti can be driven with higher turn-entering speed.
 
Yeah. I won the Ford RS2000 easily. Then, I drove a lot of rallies, and eventually, I had the Suzuki Escudo. Very powerful and as said before, the acceleration helps a lot. Even if you are like 2-3 seconds behind, you'll probably catch up quick.
 
Any Group B rallycar is good for the rallies, i also used a fully tuned Mitsu Dakar Jeep '03 for the Hard Snow and Ice races because its a little heavier and bigger so its easier to control :)
 
About the 5 sec penalties... I think PD got bored of their own rallies and AI-drivers and therfore had to do it slightly more difficult (I would have) . I have to say I actually like the penalty - it makes me drive a little more careful.

My choice of car would be any 4WD road/rally car (Impreza, Evos or even the Legacy Wagon) and soup it to max (generally 500+BHP). You're able to beat almost any race with that - depending on skill). If it ain't enough go for a 4WD LM car.
 
Had the same problem, and after long search my favourite car for rally is HPA Motorsports VW Golf. It's just over 30k, and it is a beast for rally. Tops out at around 550bhp, more than enough to leave any other AI car far behind. Now, to get it to drive with some degree of control, i used balance, 40 to the back, at around 60-80kg should do [does for me anyway]. without the balance it was more like a drunk ballet dancer than a rally car [need to counter all this power somehow]

Mind you, it has some kind of ****ty problem, when you let it loose speed completely, sometimes it takes ages to recover. Don't know why, it doesn't look normal, im just trying never to go under 30km/h.


off-topic opinion on rally in gt4: its a total disgrace. i used to be very good at rally in previous gt games but now i dont even try, only do them to get percentage. as many people here said, rally in gt4 is a joke.
 
I had no idea how many people didn't like the rallying in GT4. It seems like my comments have struck home with a few of you, which I have to say is a real shame. In a way I was hoping it was just me, and my driving style :(

I have made some more progress myself, as I only have a handful left to race (thank God). Normally I use my trusty DFP steering wheel. However I have won some races using the DFP but with the power lead unplugged, so there's no force feedback and therefore no delay when I need to quickly turn the steering wheel from side to side. If that fails I've gone back to the DS2 controller, and switched back to auto gears. I've done quite a few using the DS2. So if you stuck and your using the DFP, try using the DS2 instead.

Another thing I didn't mention before was the poor rally stage design. All the snow and gravel stages (except Tahaiti and Swiss Alps) are far too narrow. And therefore far too easy to hit the invisible wall and get that silly penalty. So it looks to be a combination of these. The 5sec penalty, narrow tracks, poor physics and the DFP not steering quick enough.

Sorry to moan about this, but it really bugs me just how wrong they got this part of what is otherwise a excellent game.
 
Well i thought the rally in GT3 was not that fun as i do now have in GT4. :)
And try the DFP with 200 degree steering??
I allways drive with 200 becouse your too slow then with steering and especially with rally you must steer fast,also becouse the track is small and when you make a mistake you must countersteer fast.(also on normal tracks)
Also ive learnt that with snow/ice you dont have to have 500+ BHP or so.
Its all about entering the corners good and brake good and make good use of the track.(the same with normal race tracks)
AND TO HAVE GRIP IN THE CORNERS IN STEAD OF JUST SPIN ALL THE WAY!
And J8mie have you played Colin McRae 2005 jet?
If so than you must find some things simulair with it!?!?
If not than you MUST play it!! 👍
 

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