Best summary of the US Presidential Election

[Carl.]

Before you go annexing the blue states to Canada

Um, what?

remember that 39-49 % of the residents of those states voted for BUSH.

Yup. also please remember that almost half of the US population voted AGAINST bush. Although I concede sometimes is not exactly the same as voting for Kerry.

and Kerry would be considered a right wing dictator in Canada

Not quite.

plus they'd drink all the beer.

What's wrong with that?

Yeah, ultra Left-wing idiots.

Official nominee for the most enlightening post of the day award!



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[Ghost C]

Yup. also please remember that almost half of the US population voted AGAINST bush. Thought I concede sometimes is not exactly the same as voting for Kerry.

I don't know exactly where you got your facts from, but 54 million people isn't anywhere close to half of the US population. It's not even near half of the registered voters.

 

[Ev0]

To the Americans who voted; Good for you. To the Americans who voted for Kerry; hold your head high, you did all that you could. To those Americans who voted for Bush and 4 more years of incompetent leadership; You will get exactly what you deserve. To my fellow Canadians who live in such close proximity to what is apparently a large population of war- mongering idiots, we must continue to remain unmoved by propaganda and threats and again respond with a polite "No thank you" to the next request to join the "coalition of the willing to bomb other countries because we feel like it". With Bush in office again it's only a matter of time.
Chelsea, Toronto, Canada

Ok, I know we've moved well past this, but the thread can't go on without this being said.

Chelsea, don't go calling American voters idiots. You come from a country where we elected Jean Chretien. 3 times. In a row. And he was the most useless prime minister in Canadian history.

 

[the Interceptor]

I don't know exactly where you got your facts from, but 54 million people isn't anywhere close to half of the US population. It's not even near half of the registered voters.

It can't be, as "only" 60% of the US population were registered. But as the 55 million who voted for Kerry represent 48% of the registed voters, I'd call that pretty close to half of them.

Anyway, I want to congratulate George W. Bush for being re-elected as the president of the USA, and I wish him and all US citizens all the best for the next four years and beyond.
I really mean this and I'm not being sarcastic, so please don't flame me about this!

Cheers,
the Interceptor

 

[Carl.]

I don't know exactly where you got your facts from, but 54 million people isn't anywhere close to half of the US population. It's not even near half of the registered voters.

My bad, you're right. let's say VOTERS or VOTES then. However that does also apply to the numbers ledhed gave... point still remains.

 

[1X83Z]

Um, I'm pretty sure they could've won if they were further left. The problem I saw was that Bush and Kerry were so similar on many issues.

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE TO THE LEFT OF ROBERT BYRD

See, here's the thing. The Democratic party knows that whoever they throw up as their candidate, you're going to vote for. Period. So they try to come up with someone a little more moderate to the people who might not vote for them otherwise. Those people are called 'undecided' voters. You, on the other hand, are a 'decided' voter. You're going to vote Democrat in 2008, and 2012, and 2016, and 2020, and 2024.

Norm Coleman's cool, though, isn't he?

That's why I think Dean could have won, had the Democratic party chosen an accurate representation of themselves, rather than "best chance against Bush"

I wish I had that giant rolleyes smiley Viper Zero was talking about earlier. See above about 'undecided' voters.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

I saw this tonight, it was in the outro of a serious news programme on BBC called "This Week". Its is said in jest, but there is some strange truth in it

"It was so close for Kerry, he so nearly reminded people of the great times. In fact if you squint your eyes and look at John Kerrys election banner, it looks like John F Kennedy! Americans vote on image, and Kerry just couldn't shake his undertaker image...ooops underdog."

It was played over some "unflattering" images of Kerry and you couldn't help but think of Herman Munster

That's a light hearted comment, but there is truth in the "voting on image" thing, ever since the first televised US election

 

[Duke]

As if other countries' voters don't...

 

[Tacet_Blue]

As if other countries' voters don't...

Nothing wrong with having a good image, in today's political arena it's essential.

(nice use of a plural possessive apostrophe )

Although it is slightly different in most European elections, as we vote for the party, not the leader. The party is elected and they then chose which leader they wish to appoint. So this should make us look more closely at policy and not just whether we "like" someone or not.
Although the majority of people here haven't ever read a manifesto, and will base their vote on images they have seen on the TV screen.

 

[okoj]

see attached.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

see attached.

...there are still some really sore losers around

At least Kerry himself could accept defeat gracefully.

 

[Ghost C]

See attached? Now see which country matters when it comes to selecting the US president. Hint: It's the big red one.

I'd also bet everything I own that more than half of that map is 100% bonafide pure grade A bull****.

 

[okoj]

See attached? Now see which country matters when it comes to selecting the US president. Hint: It's the big red one.

I'd also bet everything I own that more than half of that map is 100% bonafide pure grade A bull****.

Well obviously the opinions and safety of people outside of America don't count...

How could we all be so foolish?

 

[milefile]

...there are still some really sore losers around

At least Kerry himself could accept defeat gracefully.

Indeed. No other country is relevant in our elections. This insistence that they are is preplexing.

 

[okoj]

Indeed. No other country is relevant in our elections. This insistence that they are is preplexing.

Almost as perplexing as one country endangering the rest of the world whilst it takes part in yet another badly run war.

 

[Ghost C]

Well obviously the opinions and safety of people outside of America don't count...

How could we all be so foolish?

You're right, your opinions in the US election don't count. That's why it's called the United States Presidential election, note that it does not say "Rest of the world picks the US president election".

Your safety is somehow jeopardized because we picked a president that you don't like? Interesting.

 

[okoj]

You're right, your opinions in the US election don't count. That's why it's called the United States Presidential election, note that it does not say "Rest of the world picks the US president election".

Your safety is somehow jeopardized because we picked a president that you don't like? Interesting.

No our safety is jeopardised by you picking a president who doesn't consider the knock on effect of his actions on other countries.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

No our safety is jeopardised by you picking a president who doesn't consider the knock on effect of his actions on other countries.

In case you need reminding...it was our Prime Minister that sent our troops into Iraq

 

[okoj]

In case you need reminding...it was our Prime Minister that sent our troops into Iraq

Because the cost of going against the USA would have been too high

 

[Tacet_Blue]

Because the cost of going against the USA would have been too high

now you are making stuff up...don't you remember parliament voting on it

What was the cost to France and Germany??

 

[okoj]

now you are making stuff up...don't you remember parliament voting on it

What was the cost to France and Germany??

And our economic ties are the same as France and Germany?

 

[Tacet_Blue]

And our economic ties are the same as France and Germany?

not sure what you mean by that...I asked what was the cost to France and Germany

I think you are saying that if we hadn't voted to go into Iraq, the cost to our economy would have been greater than the 4 Billion we have spent on fighting...hmmm odd, anyone can see that we would have saved billions by not getting involved

 

[okoj]

not sure what you mean by that...I asked what was the cost to France and Germany

I think you are saying that if we hadn't voted to go into Iraq, the cost to our economy would have been greater than the 4 Billion we have spent on fighting...hmmm odd, anyone can see that we would have saved billions by not getting involved

We would have lost money from imports/exports as well as other business links. The money spent on the war comes from the budget and therefore will not have an impact on the economy in the same way as saying no would have.

 

[milefile]

Because the cost of going against the USA would have been too high

Why wasn't it too high for the rest of Europe? Surely England could've afforded to go against the US if Spain could.

 

[okoj]

Why wasn't it too high for the rest of Europe? Surely England could've afforded to go against the US if Spain could.

Is Spains economy tied into the US's as much as Britains is?

 

[Tacet_Blue]

We would have lost money from imports/exports as well as other business links. The money spent on the war comes from the budget and therefore will not have an impact on the economy in the same way as saying no would have.

All spending has an impact on the economy.

I can't believe that you think the US would have suspended trading with us if we had not supported them...

And again...what was the cost to France Germany? They seem to be doing just fine trading with the US.

Is Spains economy tied into the US's as much as Britains is?

No, but Germany's is at around 10% of exports going to the US

 

[okoj]

All spending has an impact on the economy.

I can't believe that you think the US would have suspended trading with us if we had not supported them...

And again...what was the cost to France Germany? They seem to be doing just fine trading with the US.

And again, our are economic ties the same as France and Germany?

 

[Duke]

see attached.

When those 3284 "electoral votes" immigrate to America, stay long enough to be granted citizenship, and vote, I'll actually give a crap.

All of you non-American people who insist that you're better qualified to choose our President than we are are utterly missing the point. The assumption by every foreign country in the world that Kerry should be president is precisely why Bush is president.

 

[okoj]

When those 3284 "electoral votes" immigrate to America, stay long enough to be granted citizenship, and vote, I'll actually give a crap.

All of you non-American people who insist that you're better qualified to choose our President than we are are utterly missing the point. The assumption by every foreign country in the world that Kerry should be president is precisely why Bush is president.

Because of the fact that America insists on taking actions which endanger the rest of the world, politically, economically and in real terms.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

And again, our are economic ties the same as France and Germany?

Yes

Exports to US percentage of GDP
UK 15%
Germany 10%
France 7%

Is that such a massive difference...