The Future of Joe Biden

[GranTurNismo]

This will be a big chunk of Biden's legacy. Capitulation to and rationalization of a genocide. In addition to this, just a few days ago, Biden publicly advised senate Democrats to vote against Bernie Sanders' and Ed Markey's bill to stop weapons shipments to Israel:

"working tirelessly behind the scenes for a ceasefire deal"

 

[Keef]

This will be a big chunk of Biden's legacy.

Depends on who is reading what written history. In our public history textbooks? Nah, this will be a footnote.

Somehow I hadn't seen this thread before. When I began reading the first post I thought this was a troll thread until I looked at the date. The guy's got a month and a half left and after that will most certainly not make it another 10 years.

Biden's legacy is going to be one of a straight-and-narrow institutional Democrat. He might even mark the last hurrah for the Democratic party altogether, as the pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbhollah extremist left wing of the party has fractured and caused its death spiral, which ironically will result in Republican domination for the next couple administrations if things operate as normal, or worse.

 

[TexRex]

lol Nina Turner

 

[GranTurNismo]

lol Nina Turner

A broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Danoff]

Biden's legacy will be the guy who interrupted Trump for a brief moment before the US fell.

 

[Imari]

This will be a big chunk of Biden's legacy. Capitulation to and rationalization of a genocide. In addition to this, just a few days ago, Biden publicly advised senate Democrats to vote against Bernie Sanders' and Ed Markey's bill to stop weapons shipments to Israel:

"working tirelessly behind the scenes for a ceasefire deal"

To be fair, Biden is following historic US policy regarding Israel. Israel exists primarily because the US made sure it did and has backed it at every step of the way. How Biden has chosen to respond to the situation is ****ed, but it's not uniquely ****ed in the history of the conflict and I don't think it particularly sticks out from the overall pattern of US policy.

I don't think this will be a particularly notable part of Biden's legacy, as much as it may one day be (hopefully) the notable last stage of an entire series of US policy decisions by many, many presidents with regards to Israel and Palestine.

 

[Danoff]

as much as it may one day be (hopefully) the notable last stage of an entire series of US policy decisions by many, many presidents with regards to Israel and Palestine.

Why do you think that might be the case? The US shows no signs of slowing its support for Israel. This latest election has been a referendum on arming Israel to the teeth, as the guy who is the most hawkish with Israel was the winner.

If anything, we just cemented our support for Israeli atrocities for many years to come.

I suppose you could argue that giving Israel everything they want might end up making them look so awful that the world eventually finally turns on them, including the US. But this is like arguing that failure is success. If the point was to prevent Israeli atrocities, the movement has failed.

 

[TheCracker]

Biden's legacy will be the guy who interrupted Trump for a brief moment before the US fell.

Bidon's 'eye of the storm' term.

 

[Imari]

Why do you think that might be the case? The US shows no signs of slowing its support for Israel. This latest election has been a referendum on arming Israel to the teeth, as the guy who is the most hawkish with Israel was the winner.

If anything, we just cemented our support for Israeli atrocities for many years to come.

I suppose you could argue that giving Israel everything they want might end up making them look so awful that the world eventually finally turns on them, including the US. But this is like arguing that failure is success. If the point was to prevent Israeli atrocities, the movement has failed.

Oh, I think things are going to get much worse before they get better. Probably major open regional conflict between several nations or nation-equivalent forces, possibly world war level. But war has a tendency to force a resolution one way or another. Eventually. After a lot of people have died unnecessarily. Probably over a period of years or decades.

I'm not saying that I like it, or that it wouldn't be a colossal failure of diplomacy and military strategy. Just that eventually, once the situation is settled by war either by forcing Israel to come to the table with reasonable offers of a two state solution or because Palestine and Palestinians no longer exist, then somewhere in the not too distant future is where historians will draw some arbitrary line saying that US policy towards Israel changed. Even if Israel does wipe out the Palestinians, I don't think the US will get all the way through the inevitable war without having at least a little bit of self-reflection.

But that could be wishful thinking given that the US is the most powerful military on earth and can functionally do what they like. If the US wants all Palestinians killed, there's not that much anyone else can do to stop them short of a nuclear war that probably kills almost the entire human race.

Also, preventing Israel from performing atrocities was failed the moment Israel used the Nakba to establish it's creation. Israel as a state is fundamentally built upon violating the rights of anyone who lives on that land that isn't Jewish. There are somewhat understandable reasons for why Jews would want Israel to exist as an independent, Jewish majority state (particularly at that specific point in history), but there were never acceptable reasons for the methods that were used to create it.